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Why Do They Hate Us and How Do We End the War?

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by Truth-Bringer, May 5, 2008.

  1. Truth-Bringer

    Truth-Bringer New Member

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    The U.S. is being attacked for things the U.S. government has done overseas. They do not "hate us for our wealth and freedom" as the Neoconservative Republicans falsely claim in their propaganda.

    For example, why were hostages taken in the U.S. embassy in Iran in the 70's?

    It was because in Iran, in 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected leader so that British Petroleum could maintain rights to the oil. The oil nationalization bill passed unanimously in the Iranian Parliament. I don't believe in socialist policies - however - that was what their democracy decided. The Shah - the U.S. puppet - had a secret police force that made several people "disappear." And that was the spark that caused the Iranian hostage crisis at the U.S. embassy. Not because they just woke up one day and decided to "hate us for our wealth and freedom."

    The CIA's own report, which you can see in the documentary "Why We Fight," stated that the United States should expect "blowback" - meaning violent retaliation - for its role in the coup.

    The U.S. has been sticking its nose in the Middle East for quite some time. It's actions have led to the imprisonment, torture and/or death of innocent people there. And that leads their surviving friends and family to seek revenge.

    Here is a report detailing an introduction to the problem, and to the solution.

    We often hear the two questions in the title of this article. First we will take, why do they hate us?, but before we get started, let me say this:
    The country and the government are not the same thing. Nothing I say or write is ever meant to be a criticism of America. I love this country and would not want to live anywhere else.
    The government is a different matter. For most of my adult life, I have considered the federal leviathan in Washington to be my country's most dangerous enemy. It is one of the most brutal states in all of world history, reminiscent of the Roman Empire. In the six parts of this report, I will give the evidence.

    Do they really hate us?
    Americans see their country as a wonderful place - the land of the free and home of the brave, the savior that rescued the world from Hitler and Tojo, the source of uncountable technological advancements, purple mountains, amber waves of grain. How could anyone hate us?
    They don't hate us. I began traveling abroad in 1967. I've lived abroad, and visited 44 countries. For each person who treated me badly, there have been at least a hundred who have been friendly and helpful.
    But they really, really hate the US government.
    Again, the country and the government are not the same thing. Long ago, foreigners made this distinction, and rarely held the individual American responsible for the actions of his government. They knew the typical American knew little about what federal officials were doing in other countries.
    But that pleasant circumstance is ending, as the destruction of the Twin Towers showed.
    Foreigners can't do much damage to the federal government, so they're coming after the ordinary American - you and me, and our families.

    They Backed Any Tyrant
    Born on a continent that is separated from the rest of the world by two oceans, US politicians have always been exceedingly ignorant and naive about the feelings of foreigners.
    Almost from the day it was created, Washington has had a policy of backing any tyrant who claimed to be pro-US. These "pro-US" cutthroats have received money, weapons, ammunition, almost anything they needed to suppress their own populations and attack other countries.
    For decades, victims of these "pro-US" thugs tried to change the behavior of the US government. Mass protests at the gates of US embassies became routine.
    The demonstrations had little effect, so the increasingly frustrated victims of the US leviathan state began to hit back against the individuals represented by that state. These acts of revenge were dubbed...

    ...Terrorism
    The official US explanation for the "terrorism," has been, they hate us because we are good and they are bad.
    Actually, I'm convinced that in most cases the attackers do not hate the people they are killing, any more than US bomber crews hated the civilian men, women and children they were killing in World War II.
    If a foreign government is a threat to your family, you hurt it in whatever ways you can, including killing the people who work for it and pay taxes to support it.
    The "terrorists" would love to be using aircraft carriers, cruise missiles and B-1 bombers on Washington, but they don't have them, so they use what they have.
    Also, most US government facilities have been "hardened," leaving only "soft" civilian targets to hit.
    In other words, like armies all through history, the "terrorists" use what they have and hit what they can.
    If you happen to own a few spare Ohio-class Trident missile submarines you'd like to donate to Washington's enemies, I'm sure these people would launch a full-blown textbook war against us and lose all interest in so-called terrorism.

    Part of the Solution
    The ancient US policy of supporting any tyrant who claims to be pro-US has ignored the fact that each victim of these tyrants has had family and friends, and these people retaliate.
    Part of the solution, therefore, is ethics. The US government must stop supporting governments that harm the innocent.
    Notice that the ethical approach is also the pragmatic approach. An ethical foreign policy helps minimize the number of people who hate us and try to kill us.
    Here is an updated article that appeared in my March 2002 U.S. & World Early Warning Report.

    Blowback
    In my opinion, the most important war in US history was the Spanish-American War in 1898. After defeating Spain, Washington set up a puppet government in the Philippines.
    To install this puppet, the US Army massacred 220,000 Filipino men, women and children.1 This was the precedent for Washington's massive and routine interventions in foreign countries. Interventions prior to that had been less frequent and smaller in scale.
    During the 20th century, US forces were sent into foreign conflicts no less than 188 times.2
    Since 1898, every president, both democrat and republican, has ordered American troops into far corners of the globe, usually not to defend liberty, but to train, equip or provide other kinds of help to the armed forces of crooks and tyrants. These Washington-backed terrorists have included Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Manuel Noriega in Panama, President Diem of Vietnam, the Shah of Iran, Marcos in the Philippines, Batista in Cuba, Mobutu in the Congo, Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan, General Park in Korea, Suharto and Habibie in Indonesia, and many others.
    China's Chiang Kai-shek in World War II murdered twice as many innocent civilians as the Japanese,3 yet President Franklin Roosevelt backed Chiang - he sent the Flying Tigers to help him.
    The Japanese retaliated by hitting Pearl Harbor.
    The CIA calls that blowback.
    Blowback is the root cause of the "terrorism."
    President Roosevelt had also frozen Japanese assets,4 sent cruisers and destroyers to invade Japanese home waters,5 and cut off Japan's supplies of oil, iron and other raw materials.6 Yet, I have never heard of anyone asking after the Pearl Harbor attack, why do they hate us?
    Roosevelt boiled Washington's foreign policy down into 15 words when he famously said of the Nicaraguan cutthroat Somoza, "he may be a son of a *****, but he's our son of a *****."
    Ours. Part of our empire. One of our enforcers.

    Rest of Article Here

    Part Two is detailed examples of the damage the U.S. government has done in other countries.

    Parts Three and Four are complete, or nearly complete, lists of all US military actions in other countries.

    Part Five is a few short examples of the 19th century precedents for the US government's actions against non-US citizens during the 20th century.

    Part Six is a summary and conclusions, including one of the most shocking statistics you will ever read.
     
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    I was overseas last month. My Serbs ask me about USA and I told them that Americans are not bad people. I told them that many Americans do not agree that their tax money is being used to support Albanian muslim nazis and kill Christian Serbs in Kosovo. I told them how much I hate politicians (do not count Ron Paul) and how all of them are in some satanic sect like president Bush-Satanist. I also told them how many poor Americans found their heaven in army, because army personel have some good benefits. They kill innocents around the world because they are told to do so by their seniors. If they refuse to commit crime they will be put in jail or maybe killed, who knows.
    Average American is fat, usually broke this days, and travels on rare occasions within the USA borders.
    I told them once in Belgrade do not attack that American tourist. He was with some Serbian girl. It is not his fault for what his government is doing to your country and many other countries aroud the world. But is you see some politicians cut them alive.
     
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    Let us Bring the Truth. You think we are hated? We were not hated so much that we fought in all of the wars to protect other countries and our own and to help the weak countries who can't or won't fight for themselves. Then we take American money and rebuild the countries. I may not agree with everthing our government does or who they elect, but this is MY COUNTRY, as the old saying goes, either "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT" if you are NOT in the Country, what you have to say DOES NOT MATTER!!!!! If I want to read a long text of nothing, I will read a book! DO NOT PUT DOWN MY COUNTRY!!!!:mad:
     
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    Yes, USA government is very hated, as for the country itself I do not think so.
    Order 400.000 American troops to retreat from the occupied territories and nobody will spit on your pride:D
     
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    It's people like you who are undoubtedly playing a much bigger role than you know. When it's all said and done, Ron Paul will get over a million votes when the primaries are over. That is with almost zero favorable mainstream media coverage. If he was the nominee, he would have an excellent chance at winning. Millions of Americans would support a different foreign policy if they were given that option.

    That was a good thing you did. You're a wise man.
     
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    You did not read the article. Please read the article before you makes comments from a position of ignorance.
     
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    bokile New Member

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    I agree, who would not like peace and economic prosperity:confused:

    Thanks, always ready to help. I have mainly good opinion of American people and want to share it with different people.
    All we need to do is change stupid foreign policy. In real life you can not make everybody to like you but we sure can stay out of other countries' businesss for our own good.
     
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    Exactly. Don't worry, there are many of us who will never give up that fight. The number of Ron Paul Republicans is still growing, and we're bringing in lots of young voters. This policy will change in the future, as long as World War 3 doesn't break out before we have a chance to change direction.
     
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    bokile, you state that the average American is fat, usually broke and does not travel much and you are wise? lol by the way, you do realize Florida is in the United States?
    I choose not to read a long article of things I have probably read, if not do not choose to and I am speaking from a position of ignorance? Something is wrong about this don't you think, or do you think on your own or just quote others? I repeat, do not talk about my Country please. Speaking of a position of ignorance, if you think Ron Paul is going to be elected President, I feel extremely sorry to be the one to burst your bubble.
     
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    We travel a lot usually in Mexico or the Caribbean. We meet a lot of people from Europe and Canada though on our trips.

    We find that people like Americans as soon as we get talking and they see that we too are as fed up as can be with Bush and his Wacko policies, fake made up wars etc.

    A lot of Canadians on the trip to Cozumel we just came back from. We had a lot of laughs over the Republicans telling US citizens the Canadian National Health Care is not good. They say it's GREAT. The couples we talked to said they never have to wait to see a doctor and they get seen within 30 minutes or so anytime they have to go. Prescription drugs are no problem... stuff like that. (This couple was very interesting. The husband has been in the TV show called ICE TRUCKERS. He owns a crane building company. They haul his equipment in big rigs across the frozen ice fields.)

    There was a running joke every time we'd run into them they'd laugh & say... Trouble getting into the doctor, eh.

    Once we get rid of the Crazy Cowboy & Darth Cheney and there's a President Obama we'll be seen in a whole lot better light all around the world.
     
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    oh sorry:D, hey i can borrow you my american passport:D give you my gym membership card and write you a check :D

    p.s just vote for the ron paul:)
     
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    That is nice:) You know I just saw statistics that about 10 million US citizens visited Europe in 2007, that is a nice number, in the past it was lot less...
    passport holders are 20-35% now:)
    Canadians are sly, they travel to Cuba very often:D cheap too:D
     
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    another BS thread.
    they hate us because they hate. it's their behavior. they can choose to hate or they can choose not to hate. they choose to hate. the fault is in those who hate.
     
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    Up until this statement, there was a part of me, buried somewhere in the back of my brain, that actually still believed there was a possibility you were a teacher. Now that's gone, thanks, makes things much easier.

    We live in a world of causality, bewitched. If they hate us, there's a reason they hate us. Just like there was a reason for the rise of Nazism, just like there was a reason for the Spanish Inquisition, just like there was a reason for the assassination of Caesar. The biggest break from logic I think I've encountered on this site are those who think that "reasons" equal "excuses." If you were really a professor, you'd understand that. Moreover, I'd expect you to be teaching it - as understanding the enemy's motivations is a key to war. You wouldn't last a week teaching people that the enemy "just chooses to hate."

    Oh, and "hatred" doesn't require a blood vessel popping on someone's forhead, lots of yelling, or any of the other stuff we associate with heightened emotional states. It can be simple, calm, and methodical. I think you know what I'm talking about.

    My advice: go to school. Take some classes in psychology and, most importantly, sociology. One or two in theology and philosophy wouldn't hurt either.
     
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    I've spent so many hours typing my fingers off rebutting the standard anti-American pseudo history of the OP, I just am not doing it anymore. The "hatred" comes from envy and fear. It might be the faint historic fear residing in the subconscious of Canadians, or it may be the well-grounded fear of middle east islamofascist dictators. The envy, of course, is everywhere.
     
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