6 dead, 12 injured in shooting at Arizona political meeting

[Rick]

You and many others ignore the text I quoted in my post.

I don't think that any Democrat who was a brain and a heart really thinks that the Reps or Palin could be hold responsible for this tragedy, but as a European I'm often wondering why there is such a deep gap between the two parties in the US, why there is so much hatred and far too many words used that shouldn't been used....

If you fuel hatred, you get hatred.

You need to catch up on the news. As I've already cited elsewhere, the huge feminazi organization NOW layed it squarely on Palin. Why there is so much division is not a mystery: in an extremely rare and unfortunate confluence of factors, a sort of perfect storm of bad luck, the US elected the most leftwing president in its history; one who also qualifies as the most incompetent in history and the all-around worst in its history.

 

[Apathy]

Re: Has it come to this?

That is just the lib media's favorite RINO regurgitating the current "climate of hatred" political maneuver of the leftwing and their shill media - any conservative or reasonable person will dismiss it out of hand for what it is.

Let the finger pointing begin...

 

[PLC1]

This is a tragic event, and politics has no place in it.

Those who are attempting to politically frame the issue, despite the presence of no evidence, are about as pathetic as they come.

Well said. This is not a right wing/left wing incident, but a crazy person who decided to start shooting.

 

[Gunny]

According to you???

According to fact and common sense.

But if you're feeling fiesty I welcome you to post a link to a similiar happening and the right doing something similiar.

Bottom line is the event is tragic and to try and create all these crazy conspiracies as opposed to blaming the actual person responsible is irresponsible, tasteless and classless.

And since when did it become common-place to not hold people responsible for their actions and blame everyone else under the sun? Did I miss a meeting? I was not informed of this. Perhaps I'm just old and time has passed me by but we used to point the finger at the one that did it. We didn't make excuses for him or try and blame others. If you f****d up you had to lie in the bed you made.

Welcome to the new PC world.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Well said. This is not a right wing/left wing incident, but a crazy person who decided to start shooting.

I agree, and at same time I will attack those who keep with this violent rhetoric..and if some wish to take it as a partisan attack..well they will. I have done my share of yelling at my own side when I have seen it...and I don't pretend it does not happen...but the last few years its been growing on one side.. the fact her office already was attacked...people showing up at protests with guns, the screaming Nazi and Hitler comparisons, the are are unarmed...this time signs...it does not matter what side the crazy person is on...it all can help fuel the fire to act and think that not only is it ok...but others agree with the tactics he or she plans to use.

I recall back when Kerry was running against Bush...at our local state fair..some people started putting out "lee Harvey Oswald , where are you when we need you " stickers against Bush...The DLF ( MN democrats) tried to get them to remove as many as they could, also to stop the few people that had been handing them out and putting them places...I while working in the tent talked to a few people who had them on..after talking to them they agreed that while Bush was a very poor leader ...that it was not helpful to anyone to promote such ideas....I wish more people would step up and say..you may have the right to say such a thing, or to have your gun at a protest...but its not at all helpful to the debate..and yes those actions can have consequences.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

According to fact and common sense.

But if you're feeling fiesty I welcome you to post a link to a similiar happening and the right doing something similiar.

Bottom line is the event is tragic and to try and create all these crazy conspiracies as opposed to blaming the actual person responsible is irresponsible, tasteless and classless.

And since when did it become common-place to not hold people responsible for their actions and blame everyone else under the sun? Did I miss a meeting? I was not informed of this. Perhaps I'm just old and time has passed me by but we used to point the finger at the one that did it. We didn't make excuses for him or try and blame others. If you f****d up you had to lie in the bed you made.

Welcome to the new PC world.

the Republican Party used the Funeral service of Paul Welstone..to help in there Election...when the Dems where still trying to deal with the loss of a very popular and loved Senator and a election just weeks ago. It was pretty pathetic.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: Has it come to this?

His article is good, but let's be real... the time we are living in is by no means the most partisan time in our nation's history.

Pretty sure that whole civil war and Revolutionary war win that one

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: Has it come to this?

So right.

And this from Gergen's article...



I believe if you research the politics of most of the gunmen involved in these presidential attacks, you will find they were Leftists. Oswald was and so was McKinley's killer. Ford also.

you really are just pathetic..

Its like you and Rick are here to prove the point or something.

 

[BigRob]

the Republican Party used the Funeral service of Paul Welstone..to help in there Election...when the Dems where still trying to deal with the loss of a very popular and loved Senator and a election just weeks ago. It was pretty pathetic.

Now I am no expert on Senator Wellstone's memorial service, but consider this article found in Slate..

But the solemnity of death and the grace of Midwestern humor are overshadowed tonight by the angry piety of populism. Most of the event feels like a rally. The touching recollections are followed by sharply political speeches urging Wellstone's supporters to channel their grief into electoral victory.

"Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning," Wellstone declares in a videotaped speech shown on the overhead screens. "Politics is about improving people's lives." But as the evening's speakers proceed, it becomes clear that to them, honoring Wellstone's legacy is all about winning the election. Repeating the words of Wellstone's son, the assembly shouts, "We will win! We will win!" Rick Kahn, a friend of Wellstone's, urges everyone to "set aside the partisan bickering," but in the next breath he challenges several Republican senators in attendance to "honor your friend" by helping to "win this election for Paul Wellstone."

It is the utmost hypocrisy to give political speeches at a memorial service and then act all indignant if the other party calls you on it. Going by this, I would say it is a stretch to blame Republicans "for using the funeral services to help with their election."

 

[dogtowner]

Re: Has it come to this?

in case anyone is interested

A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."

We've confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

Parker "tweets" that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became "reclusive" after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."

 

[dogtowner]

Re: Leftwing ramping up their hysteria

NOW may want to rethink this

Seems the lefty Rep was not sufficiently left for this guy.

A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."

We've confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

Parker "tweets" that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became "reclusive" after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."

 

[dogtowner]

Going by this, I would say it is a stretch to blame Republicans "for using the funeral services to help with their election."

They only pointed out the sad events that defined the dems.

 

[dogtowner]

Re: Congresswoman Giffords' violence

Thank you for that link, Rick,

I live in a society where abortion is limited to 24 weeks, so I find that the US permits abortion at birth uncomfortable.

I personally believe that children are a gift and that abortion is wrong, and have had numerous discussions with feminists over this.

I do support a woman's right to choose, so I am conflicted.

Comrade Stalin

If its wrong, its wrong.

 

[PLC1]

Threads merged. We really don't need four threads on the same subject.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Now I am no expert on Senator Wellstone's memorial service, but consider this article found in Slate..





It is the utmost hypocrisy to give political speeches at a memorial service and then act all indignant if the other party calls you on it. Going by this, I would say it is a stretch to blame Republicans "for using the funeral services to help with their election."

As someone who watched it, the whole thing...99% of it was just a service...I believe it was his son, who just lost his Father and Mother..gave a very emotional, and if you watched it...you could clearly see...very emotional and also one that was not exactly...one someone of clear thought but of one overcome with grief. Of course taken out of context of that it was not something planned by anyone but his son...it was attacked by the Republican party as if it was some planned DNC speech. Hours of a service where ignored...and they focused on the bits that where more political. And they attacked all out over it for every day till the election...By watching them talk after you would think it was a 3 hour rally...not a funeral that happen to have a few political references as one would expect...and the son of the dead going a bit overboard...and we don't even know if he planned to say any of it, or just overcome with emotion did...But they spun the Funeral to fit them....

A lot of my freinds who where very much Democrats...where having a hard time dealing with his death even weeks later...so I can only imagine what it must have been like for his son. I had a lot of respect for him, even though I never voted for him..and voted for Dean Berkley in that election ( IP party) ....( who as a side not I was actually suppose to interview for a project I was working out, but he had to fly to DC to be sworn in to fill Welstones seat..the day i was to interview him...showing how fast things happened)

I sat at home with my mom dad and sister, and a few freind who where big supports and there mom and dad, also big supporters....we watched it all..to us it was a sad remembrance of a great person...none of us watched feeling it was any type of rally...last I checked rallys should not have people crying most of the time.