Any increase in frequency of the recent Greenland ice sheet melt means:

[palerider]

(There must be a couple hundred links, here.)

You are right there bob, loads of links. Unfortunately, none of them name any species that have gone extinct due to the changing global climate. As I pointed out earlier, there are a couple of handsfull of species that have gone extinct due to hunting, and land useage, but this discussion is about climate change bob and claiming mass extinction due to the changing global climate while pointing out extinctions due to hunting and land useage, doesn't help your cause bob. It only serves to bring the fact that you are being used into high relief.

 

[palerider]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57448690/un-humanity-speeding-down-unsustainable-path/

Do you think it might be possible to put more guesswork into a single article and still pretend it is based in science? Which part of that opinion piece do you beleive represents actual observable, repeatable science?

 

[palerider]

See how CO2 normally peaks at 280 ppm, throughout the Pleistocene or Holocene Epoch maxima?

See how CO2 suddenly moves up, in a geologic second, to really accelerate, 1950, all the way, to 400 ppm?

Why do you suppose they cut off the chart at 650,00 years bob? Might it be that atmospheric CO2 was higher before that time without the benefit of man's presence?

Might it also highlight that increased CO2 didn't cause the catastrophe that climate science is claiming?

You know what ALWAYS HAPPENS, when CO2 goes up, really fast? Global temperatures follow, forced UP.

Sorry bob, but atmospheric CO2 concentration follow rising temperatures, not the other way around. Increased atmospheric CO2 is the result of warming, not the cause. Show me one piece of hard observable evidence that proves that CO2 forces temepratures up in an open atmosphere.

You are fear mongering bob, and don't have the first shred of hard evidence to support your claims.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

From Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-Eight (1968)

"The Other Side" by Tiny Tim (the ice-caps are melting)
I suppose--he was ahead of his time!

 

[bobgnote]

So now you've decided to mince words, about relative acidification, while pathetic, unqualified Johnny minces, with Tiny Tim. I can see no adults, into science, at this forum.

You failed, you bailed, and good for you, for having a place, in the mountains. That gave you time, to look up what to say, when confronted with oceanic acidification, which is ALWAYS a relative phenomenon, which happens relatively quickly, during the initial phases, of MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS.

But then, since you don't have the capacity, to notice scientific media, since Darwin, you don't believe in back-radiation, and YOU, pr, are the only poster of complete nonsense, with anything like an education, even if it was mostly wasted.

Why don't you just tell your following, how the Earth is flat, and when the ice melts, it'll all flow off the edges?

Look. You pasted a bunch of failed links, which didn't notice OA. You failed. Man up, and quit conducting toad conferences. We're not just going hot, we are in a MASS EXTINCTION EVENT, and humans are going to suffer die-offs. Keep that place in the mountains, is my advice. You don't do anything, for the internet, you don't search the most recent media, so what are you online, for? Head for the hills, dude!

I bet you don't invite the "brilliant" Johnny, up to the mountains.

This forum is a waste of time. Good riddance.

 

[palerider]

So now you've decided to mince words, about relative acidification, while pathetic, unqualified Johnny minces, with Tiny Tim. I can see no adults, into science, at this forum.

I don't think you are supposed to actually drink the bong water bob. I haven't minced any words regarding acidification. I pointed out to you that the modern forms of most marine invertebrates developed at a time when atmospheric CO2 was orders of magnitude greater than the present levels. How you interpret that as mincing is beyond me.

You failed, you bailed, and good for you, for having a place, in the mountains. That gave you time, to look up what to say, when confronted with oceanic acidification, which is ALWAYS a relative phenomenon, which happens relatively quickly, during the initial phases, of MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS.

The only one who has failed here is you bob. You have failed to provide even the smallest shered of actual evidence to support your claims.

As to mass extinction, I can't help but note that you were unable to name even one species that has gone extinct due to climate change and yet you persist in claiming that we are in the midst of a mass extinction. Not much credibility there bob.

But then, since you don't have the capacity, to notice scientific media, since Darwin, you don't believe in back-radiation, and YOU, pr, are the only poster of complete nonsense, with anything like an education, even if it was mostly wasted.

Being capable in the sciences myself bob, I am not dependent on the media.

Why don't you just tell your following, how the Earth is flat, and when the ice melts, it'll all flow off the edges?

I am sure that you don't realise it bob, but it is you who has placed his faith in a model that portrays the earth as flat with no rotation and only 1/4 of the actual incoming solar radiation.

Look. You pasted a bunch of failed links, which didn't notice OA.

Perhaps what I posted was over your head. Sorry bob, I couldn't find any kindergarden level info for you.

We're not just going hot, we are in a MASS EXTINCTION EVENT, and humans are going to suffer die-offs.

So you keep saying even though you can't name a single species that has gone extinct due to ocean acidification, or any of the other horrors you claim climate change will bring upon us. Again, not much help for your credibility.

Keep that place in the mountains, is my advice. You don't do anything, for the internet, you don't search the most recent media, so what are you online, for? Head for the hills, dude!

This forum is a waste of time. Good riddance.

I fully understand why you, as predicted, are tucking tail to run. No worrys, it was inevetable. Have a good one bob but try not to worry so much. You have been hoaxed and it will all come out soon.

 

[Cruella]

Ray Evans reviews The Denialist Victory

"Dear All

Readfearn’s review was a lamentation of defeat and disappointment. So I immediately bought a copy of The Monthly and with eager anticipation began to read Robert Manne’s account of the tragedy which he claims has befallen him and his fellow warmists. It was a disappointing read.
There was nothing new in Manne’s arguments seeking to legitimize his passionate belief in imminent climate catastrophe. His palpable anger, bordering on hatred, of the global warming sceptics, or to use his loaded term, denialists, all of whom were Americans, was unsettling." .......more at the above link

 

[Johnny Tremain]

You know--it's fascinating--one old Hollywood queen like Roland Emmerich can cobble together one wild-eyed movie and the whole of the "younger generation" just eats it up and runs screaming from the theaters with their hair on fire.

After all--aren't all movies true???

 

[dogtowner]

This forum is a waste of time. Good riddance.

its certainly a waste of time waiting for you to
a) backup anything
b) refuse to consider actual science

 

[Johnny Tremain]

To become self-aware, people must be allowed to hear a plurality of opinions and then make up their own minds. They must be allowed to say, write and publish whatever they want. Freedom of expression is the most basic, but fundamental, right. Without it, human beings are reduced to automatons.
--Ma Jian

 

[palerider]

its certainly a waste of time waiting for you to
a) backup anything
b) refuse to consider actual science

a

Typical warmer. Living under the impression that all of the snake oil he has been ingesting is true and based on something like actual science. Discussions with them tend to follow the same outline. They regurgitate great volumes of what they have read and believe to be true.....find that when challenged to produce actual evidence that there is precious little, if any actual evidence to support that which they beleive to be true.....hurl insult and invective as a result of their disappointment and frustration....and call over their shoulder that it is pointless to talk to a denier as they tuck tail and run.

Some discussions go on longer depending on the scientific literacy of the warmer, but eventually they all take on the same form.

The fact is that a pretty steady stream of actual peer reviewed, published science is, and has always been rolling in challenging most of what the warmist claims while they reference what mostly ammounts to opinion pieces, some very flawed pal reviewed "science" and crazyness like the BEST project which is in effect an opinion piece because it was never able to pass peer review and was never published in any credible journal. Here are a few of the most recently published papers that I am aware of:

This paper published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society flies in the face of the claims of the likes of James Hansen who claim that "extreme" weather is being caused by a trace gas in our atmosphere.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-D-11-00262.1?af=R&

This paper published in Coastal Engineering finds that the rate of sea level rise, which has been pretty steady for the past few hundred years in which it has been measured has decelerated over the past 10 years and that decelleration has been much more pronounced over the past 5.

http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2012/aug/8aug2012a1.html

This paper published in Polar Research finds that the temperatures in the Arctic were much warmer during the MWP than the present.

http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2012/aug/7aug2012a4.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...H4VwugG8R8MEN43Hw&sig2=UmS5eMWXcyn69Qq-0MQr4w

This paper published in the Journal of Climate finds that contrary to what the "settled science" claims, clouds act as a negative feedback, not positive precisely as the second law of thermodynamics predicts.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00072.1?af=R

This related paper also published in the Journal of Climate finds that the climate models being used GROSSLY underestimate the cooling effect that clouds play within the atmosphere.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00618.1?af=R

This paper published in the International Journal of Climatology fails to find any human fingerprint whatsoever in the global climate.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.3546/abstract

And the list goes on and on and on. The media doesn't report these published findings because they have so much invested in the climate hoax that they simply can not afford to see it fail and since the media doesn't report them, the true beleivers out there don't read them and probably wouldn't even if they knew about them as they challenge a set of dearly held beliefs and are therefore irrelevant even though they are based firmly in actual science.

It is sad, but alas, it is the state of affairs we live in.

 

[Gipper]

And the list goes on and on and on. The media doesn't report these published findings because they have so much invested in the climate hoax that they simply can not afford to see it fail and since the media doesn't report them, the true beleivers out there don't read them and probably wouldn't even if they knew about them as they challenge a set of dearly held beliefs and are therefore irrelevant even though they are based firmly in actual science.

It is sad, but alas, it is the state of affairs we live in.

Most informative post. Thanks.

It is a sad state of affairs. Additionally, the sad state does not apply solely to AGW. The media promotes a left wing narrative on most things. As such, those who get their information from the MSM are terribly uninformed.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

It is folly, indeed, that today's any of scientists think they can predict things they have pitifully little REAL empirical knowledge of.
But a couple of decades ago--the same crowd said the Ice Age was coming.
That pretty much sums up a lack of ability and an abundance of conceit--that does--BTW--get them tons and tons of "research" money which is what they are all about.

Hucksters--just like Wall Street--"the same woman, with a different hat"--as the French would say.

 

[palerider]

Most informative post. Thanks.

It is a sad state of affairs. Additionally, the sad state does not apply solely to AGW. The media promotes a left wing narrative on most things. As such, those who get their information from the MSM are terribly uninformed.

True enough. Did you note that bob, before he ran, was sure to tell us that we were uninformed rubes because we paid little attention to the "climate media".

You have to feel sorry for people who were, for whatever reason, never taught critical thinking skills. Personally, I believe that dumbing down the schools has been a long deliberate process devoted to the advancement of socialist policy since thinking people aren't likely to fall for such obvious manipulations.

 

[Gipper]

You have to feel sorry for people who were, for whatever reason, never taught critical thinking skills. Personally, I believe that dumbing down the schools has been a long deliberate process devoted to the advancement of socialist policy since thinking people aren't likely to fall for such obvious manipulations.

You are most correct again. The Left has been in control of our schools for several decades now. Their policy of dumbing down as well as brainwashing the people, has had an extraordinary effect. Americans once knew the dangers of big government. Now they think it wonderful.