Any increase in frequency of the recent Greenland ice sheet melt means:

[bobgnote]

Sure I can answer your "questions," p.r. You are absolutely questionable, so you can have this, every other week.

First, your links are to studies, none more recent, than 2010, and usually, they are from 2005 or so, and some of them cost $40 to look at. You are welcome to them. Whoever scats up links, to old studies, which aren't all published, needs to refer to the topic, only, and you failed. You just posted links, to any old study, and none of them had anything to do with coral record, which indicates any time CO2 goes up, partly as fast as it is rising, today, the Earth suffers a mass extinction event.

Your link, to CO2 Science is to a 2012 site, which studies CO2 bubbling, not what happens, which is melt-water, river flows, and RAIN enter the ocean, to cause relative increase in acidity. When rain falls, it starts as pH 7, but it may fall, as pH 5.5 or worse, depending if it passes, through CO2, with SO2 and NO2.

Your crazy submarine pictures are very interesting but unscientific. Did you read any of the studies, to which you linked? I sure won't pay $40, to look at one of those obsolete studies.

You thoroughly rant, about "hysteria, hysterical, screaming, old woman," and you crossed the line, to insult, so why shouldn't I mostly ignore you? I figure I could get over here every couple of weeks, to see if you accept Stefan-Boltzman, but you won't.

You just post up a bunch of bob-this and bob-that nonsense, and you think I must be feeling something, instead of getting suspicious, about you? And then you plop something kinda correct, about me being "furtherest" from a socialist. Socialism is, as socialism does. When we have special-interest socialism, I like it not. We gottum.

Warming is happening, climate change is happening, but wait. It won't even get really noticeable, until about 2030-2050, when GHGs are even more off the hook, concurrent with substantial failure, of the northern cap ice albedo. You can't possibly think I am going to visit this forum, more than once every couple of weeks, until then, when Phase II of runaway warming will be all-too evident.

Your measure of Arctic polar extent is really sciencey, dude. Pictures of submarines! Why didn't I think of that. I'd give you some reasons, but it amounts to the ball game is on, or maybe even South Park.

How about that Isaac? The pubs are being smart and hurrying up, since Tampa sucks up the water.

 

[dogtowner]

Sure I can answer your "questions," p.r. You are absolutely questionable, so you can have this, every other week.

First, your links are to studies, none more recent, than 2010, and usually, they are from 2005 or so, and some of them cost $40 to look at. You are welcome to them. Whoever scats up links, to old studies, which aren't all published, needs to refer to the topic, only, and you failed. You just posted links, to any old study, and none of them had anything to do with coral record, which indicates any time CO2 goes up, partly as fast as it is rising, today, the Earth suffers a mass extinction event.

Your link, to CO2 Science is to a 2012 site, which studies CO2 bubbling, not what happens, which is melt-water, river flows, and RAIN enter the ocean, to cause relative increase in acidity. When rain falls, it starts as pH 7, but it may fall, as pH 5.5 or worse, depending if it passes, through CO2, with SO2 and NO2.

Your crazy submarine pictures are very interesting but unscientific. Did you read any of the studies, to which you linked? I sure won't pay $40, to look at one of those obsolete studies.

You thoroughly rant, about "hysteria, hysterical, screaming, old woman," and you crossed the line, to insult, so why shouldn't I mostly ignore you? I figure I could get over here every couple of weeks, to see if you accept Stefan-Boltzman, but you won't.

You just post up a bunch of bob-this and bob-that nonsense, and you think I must be feeling something, instead of getting suspicious, about you? And then you plop something kinda correct, about me being "furtherest" from a socialist. Socialism is, as socialism does. When we have special-interest socialism, I like it not. We gottum.

Warming is happening, climate change is happening, but wait. It won't even get really noticeable, until about 2030-2050, when GHGs are even more off the hook, concurrent with substantial failure, of the northern cap ice albedo. You can't possibly think I am going to visit this forum, more than once every couple of weeks, until then, when Phase II of runaway warming will be all-too evident.

Your measure of Arctic polar extent is really sciencey, dude. Pictures of submarines! Why didn't I think of that. I'd give you some reasons, but it amounts to the ball game is on, or maybe even South Park.

How about that Isaac? The pubs are being smart and hurrying up, since Tampa sucks up the water.

so you can't address anything PR has asked you about. color me surprised...

 

[palerider]

Sure I can answer your "questions," p.r. You are absolutely questionable, so you can have this, every other week.

Says the guy who can't name a single physical law that either supports or predicts a greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science.

First, your links are to studies, none more recent, than 2010, and usually, they are from 2005 or so, and some of them cost $40 to look at. You are welcome to them. Whoever scats up links, to old studies, which aren't all published, needs to refer to the topic, only, and you failed. You just posted links, to any old study, and none of them had anything to do with coral record, which indicates any time CO2 goes up, partly as fast as it is rising, today, the Earth suffers a mass extinction event.

Now that's interesting bob; you complaining about the dates of the published, peer reviewed studies I provided to you. Especially considering that the basis for anthropogenic climate change alarmism is based on a junior high level experiments done in the late 1800's by Tyndal and Arrhenius, which, by the way, were disproved shortly after they were published by professor Woods. The world is still waiting on a single real world experiment that proves the greenhouse effect claimed by those quaint, 19th century philosophers.

As to the links to the effects of CO2 and acidification on coral, I suggest that you look again. They were spot on target and effectively dismissed your hysterical handwaving.

Your link, to CO2 Science is to a 2012 site, which studies CO2 bubbling, not what happens, which is melt-water, river flows, and RAIN enter the ocean, to cause relative increase in acidity. When rain falls, it starts as pH 7, but it may fall, as pH 5.5 or worse, depending if it passes, through CO2, with SO2 and NO2.

So now you are in a quasi panic over rainwater entering the ocean? Geez guy, do you ever get any sleep living in such a state of agnst?

Your crazy submarine pictures are very interesting but unscientific. Did you read any of the studies, to which you linked? I sure won't pay $40, to look at one of those obsolete studies.

You thoroughly rant, about "hysteria, hysterical, screaming, old woman," and you crossed the line, to insult, so why shouldn't I mostly ignore you? I figure I could get over here every couple of weeks, to see if you accept Stefan-Boltzman, but you won't.

Of course you should ignore me since you are completely duped and unable to answer a single question I have put to you.

As to Stefan-Boltzman, I am afraid that it is you who does not accept the facts. As I have already stated, the Stefan-Boltzman law is one of the laws that say pretty explicitly that a greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science is not possible. We all know that the math is way over your head, but what the hell, lets give it a shot.

Here is the Stefan-Boltzman law:

As it applies to energy exchanges between the earth and atmosphere (claimed greenhouse effect) where a warm object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings, the Stefan-Boltzman law is expressed as follows:

Where P=the net radiated power, A= the net radiating area,

= the Stefan-Boltzman constant

, e= emissivity, T= temperature of the radiator, and

= the temperature of the surroundings. As you can see, aside from being a formula to determine the emissivity of a black body (which the earth is not, a strike one for your side) and a perfect black body at that (strike two for your side) the Stefan-Boltzman law describes heat exchange from a warm object (the earth) to its cooler surroundings (the atmosphere). Being founded on, and predicted by the second law of thermodynamics, there is no leeway within the Stefan-Boltzman law for anything like backradiation. (strike three, you're out).

Of course, if you believe that the second law of thermodynamics is wrong and the Stefan-Boltzman law which is entirely supported by and actually predicted by the second law of thermodynamics is wrong, feel free to show where backradiation can happen within that equation. If you need an equation editor to write out your equations for use on this forum, a good one can be found here: http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php Just type in your equation then copy and paste the edited form below the text box. I look forward to seeing you prove both the second law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzman law.

Warming is happening, climate change is happening, but wait.

Of course the climate is changing. Can you name any period in history where it was static?

It won't even get really noticeable, until about 2030-2050, when GHGs are even more off the hook, concurrent with substantial failure, of the northern cap ice albedo. You can't possibly think I am going to visit this forum, more than once every couple of weeks, until then, when Phase II of runaway warming will be all-too evident.

Upon what do you base that claim bob? Climate models which have shown themselves to be entirely unreliable? They fail every time they are tried because they are based on fictitious physics bob. They assume backradiation, for example, in conjunction with the Stefan-Boltzman law which assumes the earth is a black body and impossible backradiation can be happening. Aside from that glaring error, those models you believe in model the earth as a flat disk that doesn't rotate, has no night time, and is radiated across its entire surface by 1/4 of the actual radiation that is coming in from the sun. The models don't represent the earth as anything like the earth as it actually exists so what makes you believe that they will produce output that in any way resembles the actual earth?

Your measure of Arctic polar extent is really sciencey, dude. Pictures of submarines! Why didn't I think of that. I'd give you some reasons, but it amounts to the ball game is on, or maybe even South Park.

The photos prove beyond any doubt that an ice free arctic isn't anything new or particularly unusual. Sorry bob.

How about that Isaac? The pubs are being smart and hurrying up, since Tampa sucks up the water.

Issac? That little storm that might be the first hurricane to hit the US since 2005? Are you going to wave your hands hysterically and claim that global warming is causing more and stronger atlantic hurricanes as well?

 

[palerider]

so you can't address anything PR has asked you about. color me surprised...

Of course he can't. At least you weren't surprised.

I am looking forward to doing some math with him. What do you want to bet that he disappoints me?

 

[dogtowner]

Of course he can't. At least you weren't surprised.

I am looking forward to doing some math with him. What do you want to bet that he disappoints me?

not a lot but I hope he does for entertainment value alone.

 

[bobgnote]

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Climate change is political, corruption is affecting media, and greenhouse gasses are rising, in atmospheric concentration, many times faster, than any other time, in geologic history.

CO2 is the main CLIMATE FORCER. Politicians are controverting this fact, with all human complicity, in all of setting anything flammable on fire, burning sequestered CO2 fuels, avoiding cyclic CO2 fuels and all biomass applications, and clear-cutting and polluting forests, to maximize CO2 emissions AND natural out-gassing, while harming CO2 exchange and respiration, to also cause out-gassing of CH4, NO2, SO2, and industrial GHGs, which didn't even exist, before the 20th Century.

All kinds of crooks are getting in the way, of general admission of cumulative human complicity, in the rapid rise, of CO2, from its usual Pleistocene or Holocene maximum, of 280 ppm, all the way to 400 ppm, where it is today, headed for way over 1000 ppm, in a hurry, which hurrying will kill most animal species, a lot of flora, and a lot of families, in the course, of Mass Extinction Event 6, already underway.

Solar intensity is relatively low, and a lot of ice has been melting, so the Earth should be kinda cool. Some places ARE cool. But high temp records went from 2-1, over low temp records, in 2010, to 3-1, in 2012. Get a CLUE. The greenhouse effect is at play, here. And we are only in Phase I, of runaway global warming. Politicians are distorting all aspects of warming and extinction and relief and remedies. Be aware!

Our problems ARE political, since corn and prison cartels are subsidized, including with a drug war, which put HEMP as a Schedule I CS. Crack, crank, smack, and George Zimmerman's Adderall are Schedule II CS. GET A CLUE, finally. The drug war and Prohibition were always about making resources, into contraband. When a new hemp processor was invented, in the 1930s, FDR and the Democrats sold out, to W.R. Hearst, Andrew Mellon, timber, and oil interests, to pass and sign the Hemp Stamp Tax Act, of 1938, to thwart CO2-neutral biomass, for fuels, food, paper, cloth, building materials, and plastic, then and since.

Those Koch Bros. own corporations, which funded Heartland Corp., which is fluffing all the idiots, at forums and other media, which claim AGW isn't happening. Meanwhile, most media suppresses how runaway global warming is playing out, and how EVERY TIME ATMOSPHERIC CO2 RISES PARTLY AS FAST AS IT IS RISING, TODAY, ONE OF FIVE MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS WAS THE RESULT.

But then, Charles Koch partly funded a recent study, wherein Dr.Richard Muller of CAL endorsed a Robert Rhode interpretation, of data, which Muller claims has removed his media skepticism, against anthropogenic global warming, so NOW, Muller claims global warming is human caused, back to the 1700s.

Dr.Muller now admits, to AGW, back to the 1700s, but he got on Democracy NOW!, to deny climate change is the result, and he never even mentioned Mass Extinction Event 6, which we are well into, already. He advocated natural gas, which is like letting meth dealers into a bath-house, with free needles, like their crank is so special, HIV won't get around.

Tell you what. The Kochs and their oil companies want to FRACK. They can force homeowners off their land and grab property, while 5% of wells leak, right away, and 50% of wells leak, during their operating lifetime.

Guys like President Obamney and Al Gore aren't helping, by failing to advocate legal pot OR industrial hemp, at any time, during their political careers, but they sure do poke at M.E.E.6 and runaway global warming, with carbon credits, which is like playing with coupons, to an HIV-infested pest-hole, of a gay bath-house, WHICH NEEDED TO BE CLOSED, YESTERDAY.

Pay attention, politicians! We are into Phase I of runaway global warming and phase 2, of human-caused Mass Extinction Event 6.

M.E.E.6 is phasic, before agriculture and after agriculture, since humans are a migratory invasive species, which introduce other invasive species, causing extinctions AND global warming, while denying the problems exist.

Runaway Global Warming will approach, in three phases:

Phase I: AGW is evident, since the 1700s. GHGs are rising, in concentration. Some warming is evident, with a lot of failure, of glaciers, and the degeneration of perennial Arctic ice and permafrost. Oceanic acidification and climate change are evident. Die offs are making the news, and the extinction rate is estimated, at 100 x normal. The northern ice cap is melting, faster, every year, and the northern hemisphere is heating up, faster than is the southern hemisphere, which is a clue, to Phase II. High temp records begin to out-number low temp records, 2-1, then 3-1, in just two years, 2010 to 2012.

Phase II: The northern ice cap melts, completely, one summer, and then it melts, completely, every summer, so more solar energy is absorbed, every northern summer. Warming and melt of Greenland and East Antarctic sheet ice accelerate, with acidification, of water. Jellyfish and algae take over the oceans. High temp records out-number low temp records, 20-1, then 50-1, and more.

Phase III: No perennial ice remains, anywhere on Earth. Temperatures average at least 22 C, with a lot of spikes. Sea level is 70 m above Phase I levels. Heavy lunar tides roll around, on plates, faults, and magma chambers. Seismic and volcanic events wreck the remaining human habitat. NO2 and SO2 join more CO2. The planet can't clear GHGs, for several hundred thousand years, after the likely die-off, of humans.

So read some more:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

M.E.E.6 and M.E.E. 1-5 study samples:

http://www.mysterium.com/suicidal.htm

http://www.mysterium.com/fieldguide.html

http://www.mysterium.com/extinction.html

http://www5.carleton.ca/directories...43457873923:u1z9vad_fsq&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=2&t=70&&n=177

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/resources.php?a=links&arg=144&peer=1

--------------------

http://labs.adsabs.harvard.edu/ui/abs/2008CorRe..27..459V?

--------------------

This should keep us all busy, for awhile.

When new peer-reviewed studies, leading to M.E.E.6 are published, skepticalscience.com will be a likely address, to find them, in pdf, or to find a relevant article. When politics have settled, enough, we will ALL know, how we need CO2-neutral biomass, and we need to re-green deserts and polluted areas, or humans will probably die out. For biomass, we need HEMP, ALGAE, and SWITCHGRASS.

Hemp is very political. But that is what happens, when people let tyranny sell itself out, to call itself "representative." Politics is distorted. What we really have is corporate fascism, with a vast tyranny cartel, sitting on an inflated bubble economy, covered by polluted dirt.

Just saying. Enjoy the links. See you, in a couple of weeks.

 

[dogtowner]

Climate change is political, corruption is affecting media, and greenhouse gasses are rising, in atmospheric concentration, many times faster, than any other time, in geologic history.

CO2 is the main CLIMATE FORCER. Politicians are controverting this fact, with all human complicity, in all of setting anything flammable on fire, burning sequestered CO2 fuels, avoiding cyclic CO2 fuels and all biomass applications, and clear-cutting and polluting forests, to maximize CO2 emissions AND natural out-gassing, while harming CO2 exchange and respiration, to also cause out-gassing of CH4, NO2, SO2, and industrial GHGs, which didn't even exist, before the 20th Century.

All kinds of crooks are getting in the way, of general admission of cumulative human complicity, in the rapid rise, of CO2, from its usual Pleistocene or Holocene maximum, of 280 ppm, all the way to 400 ppm, where it is today, headed for way over 1000 ppm, in a hurry, which hurrying will kill most animal species, a lot of flora, and a lot of families, in the course, of Mass Extinction Event 6, already underway.

Solar intensity is relatively low, and a lot of ice has been melting, so the Earth should be kinda cool. Some places ARE cool. But high temp records went from 2-1, over low temp records, in 2010, to 3-1, in 2012. Get a CLUE. The greenhouse effect is at play, here. And we are only in Phase I, of runaway global warming. Politicians are distorting all aspects of warming and extinction and relief and remedies. Be aware!

Our problems ARE political, since corn and prison cartels are subsidized, including with a drug war, which put HEMP as a Schedule I CS. Crack, crank, smack, and George Zimmerman's Adderall are Schedule II CS. GET A CLUE, finally. The drug war and Prohibition were always about making resources, into contraband. When a new hemp processor was invented, in the 1930s, FDR and the Democrats sold out, to W.R. Hearst, Andrew Mellon, timber, and oil interests, to pass and sign the Hemp Stamp Tax Act, of 1938, to thwart CO2-neutral biomass, for fuels, food, paper, cloth, building materials, and plastic, then and since.

Those Koch Bros. own corporations, which funded Heartland Corp., which is fluffing all the idiots, at forums and other media, which claim AGW isn't happening. Meanwhile, most media suppresses how runaway global warming is playing out, and how EVERY TIME ATMOSPHERIC CO2 RISES PARTLY AS FAST AS IT IS RISING, TODAY, ONE OF FIVE MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS WAS THE RESULT.

But then, Charles Koch partly funded a recent study, wherein Dr.Richard Muller of CAL endorsed a Robert Rhode interpretation, of data, which Muller claims has removed his media skepticism, against anthropogenic global warming, so NOW, Muller claims global warming is human caused, back to the 1700s.

Dr.Muller now admits, to AGW, back to the 1700s, but he got on Democracy NOW!, to deny climate change is the result, and he never even mentioned Mass Extinction Event 6, which we are well into, already. He advocated natural gas, which is like letting meth dealers into a bath-house, with free needles, like their crank is so special, HIV won't get around.

Tell you what. The Kochs and their oil companies want to FRACK. They can force homeowners off their land and grab property, while 5% of wells leak, right away, and 50% of wells leak, during their operating lifetime.

Guys like President Obamney and Al Gore aren't helping, by failing to advocate legal pot OR industrial hemp, at any time, during their political careers, but they sure do poke at M.E.E.6 and runaway global warming, with carbon credits, which is like playing with coupons, to an HIV-infested pest-hole, of a gay bath-house, WHICH NEEDED TO BE CLOSED, YESTERDAY.

Pay attention, politicians! We are into Phase I of runaway global warming and phase 2, of human-caused Mass Extinction Event 6.

M.E.E.6 is phasic, before agriculture and after agriculture, since humans are a migratory invasive species, which introduce other invasive species, causing extinctions AND global warming, while denying the problems exist.

Runaway Global Warming will approach, in three phases:

Phase I: AGW is evident, since the 1700s. GHGs are rising, in concentration. Some warming is evident, with a lot of failure, of glaciers, and the degeneration of perennial Arctic ice and permafrost. Oceanic acidification and climate change are evident. Die offs are making the news, and the extinction rate is estimated, at 100 x normal. The northern ice cap is melting, faster, every year, and the northern hemisphere is heating up, faster than is the southern hemisphere, which is a clue, to Phase II. High temp records begin to out-number low temp records, 2-1, then 3-1, in just two years, 2010 to 2012.

Phase II: The northern ice cap melts, completely, one summer, and then it melts, completely, every summer, so more solar energy is absorbed, every northern summer. Warming and melt of Greenland and East Antarctic sheet ice accelerate, with acidification, of water. Jellyfish and algae take over the oceans. High temp records out-number low temp records, 20-1, then 50-1, and more.

Phase III: No perennial ice remains, anywhere on Earth. Temperatures average at least 22 C, with a lot of spikes. Sea level is 70 m above Phase I levels. Heavy lunar tides roll around, on plates, faults, and magma chambers. Seismic and volcanic events wreck the remaining human habitat. NO2 and SO2 join more CO2. The planet can't clear GHGs, for several hundred thousand years, after the likely die-off, of humans.

So read some more:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

M.E.E.6 and M.E.E. 1-5 study samples:

http://www.mysterium.com/suicidal.htm

http://www.mysterium.com/fieldguide.html

http://www.mysterium.com/extinction.html

http://www5.carleton.ca/directories...43457873923:u1z9vad_fsq&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8

--------------------

http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=2&t=70&&n=177

--------------------

http://www.skepticalscience.com/resources.php?a=links&arg=144&peer=1

--------------------

http://labs.adsabs.harvard.edu/ui/abs/2008CorRe..27..459V?

--------------------

This should keep us all busy, for awhile.

When new peer-reviewed studies, leading to M.E.E.6 are published, skepticalscience.com will be a likely address, to find them, in pdf, or to find a relevant article. When politics have settled, enough, we will ALL know, how we need CO2-neutral biomass, and we need to re-green deserts and polluted areas, or humans will probably die out. For biomass, we need HEMP, ALGAE, and SWITCHGRASS.

Hemp is very political. But that is what happens, when people let tyranny sell itself out, to call itself "representative." Politics is distorted. What we really have is corporate fascism, with a vast tyranny cartel, sitting on an inflated bubble economy, covered by polluted dirt.

Just saying. Enjoy the links. See you, in a couple of weeks.

so you can't address anything then and the science you don't have a clue about the math.
and I've had enough of the personal attacks.

 

[palerider]

edited for personal attackso

I wish I could say that I am surprised that you abandoned discussion and sought refuge in personal attacks, but I am afraid that I'm not.

Climate change is political, corruption is affecting media, and greenhouse gasses are rising, in atmospheric concentration, many times faster, than any other time, in geologic history.

You are all confused there bob. Climate change is natural. A few disreputable individuals have made it political just as has been the case throughout history back to the druids. You are correct in that corruption is affecting the media, but that is true at all levels and in all subjects. The media, at this point, has to much invested in the hoax of anthropogenic climate change to back down now. As with the field of climate science itself, it has reached the point of all or nothing. I am afraid that the coin is going to land on the nothing side for your side bob because the truth always gets out.

And it is true that so called greenhouse gasses are rising, but as you have proven, there isn't a single experiment that proves a greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science and not a single physical law either supports or predicts a greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science. If any such evidence were in existence, you can bet that you would have no problem finding it.

CO2 is the main CLIMATE FORCER.

So you keep saying. But the fact remains bob, that you can't show a single bit of hard evidence to support the claim. You can't name a physical law that supports a greenhouse effect based on backradiation, you can't show any lab experiment that demonstrates backradiation, and you can't name a single thing that is going on in the global climate today that is anywhere near the boundries of natural variability. You have been duped bob.

Politicians are controverting this fact, with all human complicity, in all of setting anything flammable on fire, burning sequestered CO2 fuels, avoiding cyclic CO2 fuels and all biomass applications, and clear-cutting and polluting forests, to maximize CO2 emissions AND natural out-gassing, while harming CO2 exchange and respiration, to also cause out-gassing of CH4, NO2, SO2, and industrial GHGs, which didn't even exist, before the 20th Century.

Hysterical handwringing and hyperbole bob. Nothing more. You are in a state of high anxiety and fear over nothing more than the largest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

All kinds of crooks are getting in the way, of general admission of cumulative human complicity, in the rapid rise, of CO2, from its usual Pleistocene or Holocene maximum, of 280 ppm, all the way to 400 ppm, where it is today, headed for way over 1000 ppm, in a hurry, which hurrying will kill most animal species, a lot of flora, and a lot of families, in the course, of Mass Extinction Event 6, already underway.

Back to mass extinction bob? I have asked you to name a single species that has gone extinct due to climate change and you couldn't name a single one. You are shown clear evidence that you don't have a leg to stand on and you ignore it and then return to the same statements that you remain unable to substantiate.

Solar intensity is relatively low, and a lot of ice has been melting, so the Earth should be kinda cool.

Earth is kind of cool bob. Look at paleohistory. For most of earth's history, it has been so warm that no ice has existed anywhere. We are coming out of an ice age bob. It gets warm, it cools off. The pattern will continue till we are either out of the ice age, at which time there will be no ice, or we drop back into a glacial age of undetermined length at which time you will see that it is cold that is bad for life on this rock bob, not warm.

Some places ARE cool. But high temp records went from 2-1, over low temp records, in 2010, to 3-1, in 2012. Get a CLUE. The greenhouse effect is at play, here. And we are only in Phase I, of runaway global warming. Politicians are distorting all aspects of warming and extinction and relief and remedies. Be aware!

Again bob, nothing outside of natural variability. As to the greenhouse effect you are so scared of....it doesn't exist. Earth has seen atmospheric CO2 concentrations of more than 7000 ppm with no runaway greenhouse effect bob. That would be because no greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science exists. There is an atmospheric thermal effect which is far greater than the claimed greenhouse effect, but there is no money to be made in it because there is no driver beyond pressure and volume, just as the ideal gas laws predict. It is hard to get people to sacrifice to the ideal gas laws so they must be ignored.

(continued)

 

[palerider]

(continuation)

Our problems ARE political, since corn and prison cartels are subsidized, including with a drug war, which put HEMP as a Schedule I CS. Crack, crank, smack, and George Zimmerman's Adderall are Schedule II CS. GET A CLUE, finally. The drug war and Prohibition were always about making resources, into contraband. When a new hemp processor was invented, in the 1930s, FDR and the Democrats sold out, to W.R. Hearst, Andrew Mellon, timber, and oil interests, to pass and sign the Hemp Stamp Tax Act, of 1938, to thwart CO2-neutral biomass, for fuels, food, paper, cloth, building materials, and plastic, then and since.

The truely duped always manage to insert the "drug war" into everything bob. It is probably your use of recreational drugs that has weakened your intellect and subdued your critical thinking skills to the point that you could be so easily duped. I would hate to think that you naturally have no intellect or critical thinking skills and recreational drugs aren't at the root of your inability to see the hoax clearly. That would be genuinely sad bob.

Those Koch Bros. own corporations, which funded Heartland Corp., which is fluffing all the idiots, at forums and other media, which claim AGW isn't happening. Meanwhile, most media suppresses how runaway global warming is playing out, and how EVERY TIME ATMOSPHERIC CO2 RISES PARTLY AS FAST AS IT IS RISING, TODAY, ONE OF FIVE MASS EXTINCTION EVENTS WAS THE RESULT.

The heartland group is such a small player when its funding is compared to the billions upon billions pouring into climate science that I am surprised that you would even bring them up. And bob, the heartland group can't change the laws of physics. Lets go back there bob...which physical law supports and predicts a greenhouse effect as claimed by climate science. All the heartland group is doing is pointing out that the laws of physics don't support the hypothesis of anthropogenic climate change. Prove them wrong bob. Which physical law suppports the hypothesis.

But then, Charles Koch partly funded a recent study, wherein Dr.Richard Muller of CAL endorsed a Robert Rhode interpretation, of data, which Muller claims has removed his media skepticism, against anthropogenic global warming, so NOW, Muller claims global warming is human caused, back to the 1700s.

True, koch partially funded the BEST study. He wasted his money though didn't he bob because the BEST study, for all the hype and trumpeting has never been able to pass peer review and no scientific periodical has ever, or will ever publish it because it is so rife with errors that it would be impossible to correct them and maintain the intended result.

Dr.Muller now admits, to AGW, back to the 1700s, but he got on Democracy NOW!, to deny climate change is the result, and he never even mentioned Mass Extinction Event 6, which we are well into, already. He advocated natural gas, which is like letting meth dealers into a bath-house, with free needles, like their crank is so special, HIV won't get around.

Dr. Muller is a fraud. His BEST study can't pass peer review and hasn't been published by anyone other than the mainstream media via his own efforts. Of what value are the proclamations of a scientist whose study can't pass peer review? And of course it has been warming since the 1700's bob. The little ice age...remember. Of course, humans had nothing to do with either going into it, or coming out of it and it is that sort of bogus claim, bob, along with piss poor methodology and an environmental mission that is the reason that Muller's work can't pass peer review...even when his own buddies are doing the reviewing.

Guys like President Obamney and Al Gore aren't helping, by failing to advocate legal pot OR industrial hemp, at any time, during their political careers, but they sure do poke at M.E.E.6 and runaway global warming, with carbon credits, which is like playing with coupons, to an HIV-infested pest-hole, of a gay bath-house, WHICH NEEDED TO BE CLOSED, YESTERDAY.

Back to pot bob? There is the heart of your problem. You can't think because your use of recreational drugs has deprived you of the ability. You are wandering around in a smoke induced haze and as such, are a prime target for victimization. You have fallen for the hoax hook line and sinker. Get off the recreational drugs and see if once the smoke clears you have any intellect left.

Pay attention, politicians! We are into Phase I of runaway global warming and phase 2, of human-caused Mass Extinction Event 6.

Again bob, atmospheric CO2 concentrations have been above 7000 ppm with no runaway global warming. Describe how you believe 1000 ppm is going to cause it when 7000 ppm didn't. And phase 2 of a mass extinction event? Again bob, you are unable to name a single species that has gone extinct due to climate change and you remain afraid. It is the smoke talking bob, not anything like reality.

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[palerider]

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M.E.E.6 is phasic, before agriculture and after agriculture, since humans are a migratory invasive species, which introduce other invasive species, causing extinctions AND global warming, while denying the problems exist.

So you say, but remain unable to substantiate.

Runaway Global Warming will approach, in three phases:

Since the earth has already seen atmospheric CO2 concentrations of greater than 7000 ppm with no runaway global warming, phase one, if such a phase exists will have to come after CO2 concentrations have gone above 7000 ppm. Tell me bob, when do the climate models predict that might happen?

The fact is bob, that you are a hysterical hand wringer who has been terrified by a small group of fraudulent pesudoscientists. When asked for anything like actual observable repeatable evidence to support your fears bob, you can't deliver. In lieu of anything like actual evidence to support your claims, you just ratchet up your rhetoric to a new level of panic. It is sad to watch bob....and just a little entertaining. Kind of like watching a turtle on his back trying to get back on his feet. I am the sort of guy who will help out the turtle bob, and I am trying to help you. I am trying to get you to see that when asked for actual evidence to support your claims, you can't produce it because it doesn't exist. If you weren't so deep into the bong bob, you might start to wonder why you believe in a hoax that isn't supported by even the first piece of hard, observable evidence.

So read some more:]

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

Another mass extinction scare site. They claim that 30,000 species go extinct every year bob. Name 100 that went extinct in the 20th century. If there were 30,000, then 100 should be a snap and if you can't name 100 bob, then you should get a clue that the people in that site are lying to you and you should feel foolish for believing them.

http://www.mysterium.com/suicidal.htm

Dead link bob. But with a name like mysterium.com it is just as well. What sort of study did you call that and where was it published?

http://www.mysterium.com/fieldguide.html

More extinction hysteria? Again bob, name 100 species that went extinct in the 20th century. Off the top of my head, I can think of about 14 or 15 and I am sure that there are at least that many more, so name 100 bob then we can start addressing the rest of the 29,900 species that you beleive went extinct in the 20th century.

http://www.mysterium.com/extinction.html [/quote]

Yeah, I have seen that before. They can't name even 100 species that went extinct in the 10th century bob, how do you expect to? And what sort of study did you call that? And where was it published other than right there on that hysterical site?

http://www5.carleton.ca/directories...43457873923:u1z9vad_fsq&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8

Wow bob, a university. They can't even name 100 species that went extinct in the 20th century of the claimed 30,000 either with the resources of a university. Tell me bob, how are you ever going to manage to even name 100?

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=2&t=70&&n=177 [/quote]

Skeptical science? I am now laughing at you bob. There is nothing skeptical about that site and those guys are known for editing out hard, observable evidence that doesn't support their beliefs. They have deleted my own math work at least two times.

This should keep us all busy, for awhile.

What should keep us busy bob? Hysterical handwaving? Sorry, but I don't find the practice very entertaining. There is nothing like hard science anywhere to be found there bob. Wildly exagerated claims of present extinction events set against a background of historical events that we can't be sure why they happened. There is nothing there bob but pathetic pap.

When new peer-reviewed studies, leading to M.E.E.6 are published, skepticalscience.com will be a likely address, to find them, in pdf, or to find a relevant article. When politics have settled, enough, we will ALL know, how we need CO2-neutral biomass, and we need to re-green deserts and polluted areas, or humans will probably die out. For biomass, we need HEMP, ALGAE, and SWITCHGRASS.

There will be no published studies because there is no mass extinction event happening. Again bob, name 100 of the claimed 30,000 species that went extinct in the 20th century.

Hemp is very political. But that is what happens, when people let tyranny sell itself out, to call itself "representative." Politics is distorted. What we really have is corporate fascism, with a vast tyranny cartel, sitting on an inflated bubble economy, covered by polluted dirt.

I am sure it is a prime motivator for you bob. Maybe you should get with PLC1. He finds it of great importance as well.

By the way bob, I couldn't help but notice that you didn't address a single point on the Stefan-Boltzman law. You brought it up and then tucked tail and ran when I answered you. You don't have a clue with regard to the math or the physical laws bob and that is damned sad. Your lack of education makes you susseptible to hoaxes like AGW and that is exactly what has happened to you.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Personally, I would rather discuss planning a Bar Mitzvah with Adolf Hitler--
than discussing CO2 with a Climate Crazer.

 

[palerider]

Personally, I would rather discuss planning a Bar Mitzvah with Adolf Hitler--
than discussing CO2 with a Climate Crazer.

One needs to know what sort of thought processes one's opposition is using. Talking to warmists provides a very interesting look into irrational minds..

 

[Cruella]

One needs to know what sort of thought processes one's opposition is using. Talking to warmists provides a very interesting look into irrational minds..

Why are they so crazed? Remember when Obama promised to turn back the rise of the oceans and heal the planet, which was nothing but a scheme to invest billings of dollars in failed green energy. Mostly to people who funded his election coffers.

The whole thing is a scam - like carbon credits. Too bad their propaganda sucked in a lot of believers.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I think of myself as a pragmatic realist.
Chicken Littles of the climate varietal are both annoying and amusing at the same time.
They provide a close study of hysteria--it's origins, intensity and fruition.

 

[Gipper]

One needs to know what sort of thought processes one's opposition is using. Talking to warmists provides a very interesting look into irrational minds..

So true. But, I would add that the irrationality you speak of applies to more than just warmers. Nearly all fanatical warmers are leftists (funny how that happens). And we all know many on the left believe in things that are irrational.

So, AGW is the perfect hoax for fooling leftists. I really admire the AGW hoaxers. I want to emulate them.