Bush's war forces children into prostitution

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Something else you war lovers have to be proud of. This is something you don't hear much about, a byproduct of the ill conceived invasion. As hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees have moved to Syria and Jordan during the past four years, escaping the violence and instability that followed the US deposing of Saddam Hussein. Money for food and such has to be earned anyway possible.

I wonder if they would agree that their life is better after Saddam?

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and the Columbian cocaine traffic and the Taliban poppy crops both force children into prostitution. and there are thousands of other reasons kids all over the world go into it... mostly poverty.

oh, and the US didn't invade Iraq. nor do we plan on making it part of the US. we were invited there by the Saudis and other neighbors. Islamic holy law would not permit us to be there without their permission.

you can hate Bush all you want, you have my blessing. but you are giving him way too much credit for all the world's problems.
 

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and the Columbian cocaine traffic and the Taliban poppy crops both force children into prostitution. and there are thousands of other reasons kids all over the world go into it... mostly poverty.

oh, and the US didn't invade Iraq. nor do we plan on making it part of the US. we were invited there by the Saudis and other neighbors. Islamic holy law would not permit us to be there without their permission.

you can hate Bush all you want, you have my blessing. but you are giving him way too much credit for all the world's problems.

We "didn't invade Iraq"?

We were there by invitation?

Do you believe in Santa Claus as well? How about the tooth fairy? Let's get down to the real crux of the matter, how about creationism?
 

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We "didn't invade Iraq"?

We were there by invitation?

Do you believe in Santa Claus as well? How about the tooth fairy? Let's get down to the real crux of the matter, how about creationism?

yep, it's true. we did not invade Iraq. or Afghanistan.
Islamic Holy Law forbids us being there without permission of the mullahs.

Santa, tooth fairy and creationism are things people made up.
 

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yep, it's true. we did not invade Iraq. or Afghanistan.
Islamic Holy Law forbids us being there without permission of the mullahs.

Considering Saddam was a secular leader, asking permission of the mullahs is not relative.

This is a loose analogy, but check it out anyway. If China asked Pat Robertson if it was okay to enter the US in force, and he said fine, by your logic it would then not be an invasion.
 

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Considering Saddam was a secular leader, asking permission of the mullahs is not relative.

This is a loose analogy, but check it out anyway. If China asked Pat Robertson if it was okay to enter the US in force, and he said fine, by your logic it would then not be an invasion.

Islam doesn't see the same borders that the west does so if he was in dar ul Islam then the mullahs are quite relative.

Pat Robertson is a US citizen, China wouldn't consult him. look up dar ul Islam, it is one place including 57 OIC countries, no borders. try to open up to that concept for a moment. everything outside dar ul Islam is dar ul Harb and that is the place of war.

western thinking is a hard habit to break.
 

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Saddam was hardly a secular leader, Popeye -- he was a Sunni Muslim (like Osama). His speeches were littered with referrences to muslim scripture, he built Baghdad's most expensive and opulent mosques, invented a lineage that connected him to the prophet Muhammed, he even reportedly had a Koran written in his own blood.

Go back and read some of his speeches during the First Gulf War and it is clear that he was using Islam as a propaganda tool for his political ends in the fight against the U.S. regarding his weapons programs.

Under his "faith campaign" begun in 1994, government money was given to promote mandatory koran studies in schools. Under this campaign, he also built training centers for imams and created, among other schools, the Saddam University of Islamic Studies.

In addition, as with all fascist governments, Saddam manipulated the radio stations to the liking of the government -- in his case, it aired lessons on the Koran. Saddam himself began to get incorporated into many of these Muslim prayers.
 

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Saddam was hardly a secular leader, Popeye -- he was a Sunni Muslim (like Osama). His speeches were littered with referrences to muslim scripture, he built Baghdad's most expensive and opulent mosques, invented a lineage that connected him to the prophet Muhammed, he even reportedly had a Koran written in his own blood.

Go back and read some of his speeches during the First Gulf War and it is clear that he was using Islam as a propaganda tool for his political ends in the fight against the U.S. regarding his weapons programs.

Under his "faith campaign" begun in 1994, government money was given to promote mandatory koran studies in schools. Under this campaign, he also built training centers for imams and created, among other schools, the Saddam University of Islamic Studies.

In addition, as with all fascist governments, Saddam manipulated the radio stations to the liking of the government -- in his case, it aired lessons on the Koran. Saddam himself began to get incorporated into many of these Muslim prayers.
Point taken. Now, do you believe, as well, that we did not invade Iraq?
 

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Point taken. Now, do you believe, as well, that we did not invade Iraq?

I believe that's a stupid argument to get into. Obviously people against the war will want to classify it as an "invasion" and those who support it prefer to label of "liberation".

I personally, however, do not find the U.S. actions consistent with an invading force. Invasions are typically for the purpose of land.
 
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