Election rigging Democrats continue to 'fight like hell' against popular voting security IDs

[mark francis]

Democrats understand the threat that voter IDs pose to their decades-long practice of voting fraud. They don't care what is right or what the majority of Americans want, they are determined to keep the voting fraud avenues open for them at all costs.



Seaside city resisting state Dems' attempt to force it into 'submission' over voter ID law (msn.com) 4-26-24

Seaside city resisting state Dems' attempt to force it into 'submission' over voter ID law
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Huntington Beach Mayor slams Newsom voter ID lawsuit: 'Government overreach'

A conservative enclave in Southern California is embroiled in a legal dispute with the state's liberal authorities over its voter ID law that was passed by more than 50% of the city's voters.

Huntington Beach Mayor Gracey Van Der Mark told Fox News Digital the latest lawsuit from Sacramento authorities is just another targeted attack on the city's values.











Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) introduced the Voter Access Protection Act (H.R. 4026), which would prohibit election officials from requiring an individual to provide a photo identification as a condition for voting in a federal election.

 

[pjmret]

ah, the "voter fraud" you whine about but never prove happens in anything but tiny amounts. lol. and which is done by republicans too.

 

[pjmret]

feel free to show the positive "cost benefit analysis" of putting more barriers in front of citizens voting. You morons act like these things are cost free to the public, and they aren't.

 

[mark francis]

ah, the "voter fraud" you whine about but never prove happens in anything but tiny amounts. lol. and which is done by republicans too.

This article was not about past fraud but continued efforts by crooks to prevent voting security laws from hindering voting fraud in the future. Are you also opposed to publicly popular voting security measures designed to protect the legitimate votes of legitimate voters and to expose and reject the illegitimate votes cast illegitimately?

 

[mark francis]

feel free to show the positive "cost benefit analysis" of putting more barriers in front of citizens voting. You morons act like these things are cost free to the public, and they aren't.

Are you suggesting that keeping voting fraud avenues open is more important than protecting the votes of legitimate voters?

New Study Confirms Voter ID Laws Don’t Hurt Election Turnout | The Heritage Foundation

2-27-19

Less than one week after Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams made inflammatory claims in her State of the Union response about an epidemic of “voter suppression” jeopardizing the character of our nation, the National Bureau of Economic Research released a study that demonstrates once again that voter ID laws have no measurable impact on voting behavior.

In other words, voter ID laws don’t “suppress” anyone’s vote.

 

[pjmret]

This article was not about past fraud but continued efforts by crooks to prevent voting security laws from hindering voting fraud in the future. Are you also opposed to publicly popular voting security measures designed to protect the legitimate votes of legitimate voters and to expose and reject the illegitimate votes cast illegitimately?

i am opposed to anything you can't show has a positive "cost benefit analysis" in terms of reducing fraud vs imposing costs on valid voters.

let me know when you morons have that

 

[pjmret]

Are you suggesting that keeping voting fraud avenues open is more important than protecting the votes of legitimate voters?

i am not suggesting anything.

i am clearly stating the value of reducing fraud has to be higher than the cost of more barriers to voting.
its a simple concept

 

[mark francis]

i am opposed to anything you can't show has a positive "cost benefit analysis" in terms of reducing fraud vs imposing costs on valid voters.

let me know when you morons have that

You are wrong to dishonestly claim election securities are not worth the cost. President Carter knew the importance of and necessity for voter IDs to restrict opportunities and avenues for election fraud.

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Absentee and Voting by Mail (bakerinstitute.org)

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Voting by Mail

Photo by Alex Wong / Getty Images

In 2005, former President Jimmy Carter and former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker, III, co-chaired the Commission on Federal Election Reform, which produced a report on the U.S. electoral process and recommendations on maximizing ballot access and election integrity.

Sixteen years later, many of the recommendations remain relevant. While the COVID-19 pandemic and record number of voters who cast absentee or mail-in ballots raised concerns about the security of the 2020 absentee process, the Carter-Baker report warned: “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”



Latest Alleged Election Fraud May Have Changed Election Results (dailysignal.com)

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Latest Alleged Election Fraud in California May Have Changed Election Outcome

Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / August 24, 2021

Felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney. Pictured: Galvan appears in Los Angeles Superior Court on Aug. 13. (Photo: Al Seib/Los Angeles Times/Getty Images)
COMMENTARY BY
Hans von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky

Hans von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, a former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, and former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Department of Justice. He is a member of the board of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

It seems we have a perfect example of this in Compton, California, where felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney.

Talk about a close election! Galvan won his City Council race in 2021 by only one vote, 855 to 854. Not only have all of the defendants been charged with conspiracy to commit election fraud, but Galvan is also accused of attempting to bribe an election official with concert tickets to “influence” the outcome of the election.

It is important to remember, though, that these are just charges and that all the defendants are presumed to be innocent at this stage of the proceedings.

 

[mark francis]

i am not suggesting anything.

i am clearly stating the value of reducing fraud has to be higher than the cost of more barriers to voting.
its a simple concept

Voter fraud is already costing the US far more than you realize.

 

[pjmret]

You are wrong to dishonestly claim election securities are not worth the cost. President Carter knew the importance of and necessity for voter IDs to restrict opportunities and avenues for election fraud.

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Absentee and Voting by Mail (bakerinstitute.org)

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Voting by Mail

Photo by Alex Wong / Getty Images

In 2005, former President Jimmy Carter and former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker, III, co-chaired the Commission on Federal Election Reform, which produced a report on the U.S. electoral process and recommendations on maximizing ballot access and election integrity.

Sixteen years later, many of the recommendations remain relevant. While the COVID-19 pandemic and record number of voters who cast absentee or mail-in ballots raised concerns about the security of the 2020 absentee process, the Carter-Baker report warned: “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”

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Latest Alleged Election Fraud May Have Changed Election Results (dailysignal.com)

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Latest Alleged Election Fraud in California May Have Changed Election Outcome

Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / August 24, 2021

Felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney. Pictured: Galvan appears in Los Angeles Superior Court on Aug. 13. (Photo: Al Seib/Los Angeles Times/Getty Images)
COMMENTARY BY
Hans von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky

Hans von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, a former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, and former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Department of Justice. He is a member of the board of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

It seems we have a perfect example of this in Compton, California, where felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney.

Talk about a close election! Galvan won his City Council race in 2021 by only one vote, 855 to 854. Not only have all of the defendants been charged with conspiracy to commit election fraud, but Galvan is also accused of attempting to bribe an election official with concert tickets to “influence” the outcome of the election.

It is important to remember, though, that these are just charges and that all the defendants are presumed to be innocent at this stage of the proceedings.

I didn't say they weren't worth the cost, lying *****
I asked you to prove there was value in your proposals

 

[mark francis]

I didn't say they weren't worth the cost, lying *****
I asked you to prove there was value in your proposals

Opinion | A Clearer Picture on Voter ID (Published 2008)

The Supreme Court has the opportunity to lead the way on the voter ID issue and support laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

www.nytimes.com

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID​

By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker Iii

• Feb. 3, 2008

THIS is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties Democratic and Republican continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties’ concerns were legitimate a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

 

[pjmret]

Opinion | A Clearer Picture on Voter ID (Published 2008)

The Supreme Court has the opportunity to lead the way on the voter ID issue and support laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

www.nytimes.com

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID​

By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker Iii

• Feb. 3, 2008

THIS is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties Democratic and Republican continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties’ concerns were legitimate a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

so again, feel free to prove that anything you support has a positive cost benefit analysis

 

[mark francis]

so again, feel free to prove that anything you support has a positive cost benefit analysis

I'm sure you must think officials who recommended voter IDs for election security must not have been as intelligent as you.

 

[pjmret]

I'm sure you must think officials who recommended voter IDs for election security must not have been as intelligent as you.

why do you think that?
i just want to see justification and specifics.
which so far you have failed at

 

[Phoenix68]

I'm sure you must think officials who recommended voter IDs for election security must not have been as intelligent as you.

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EVERYONE'S ALREADY GOT ALL THE ID THEY NEED!!!!!
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