Fat America

[Pandora]

Posted by NO obomination:


You work for the government?!? The evil government? I'm surprised, but no wonder you have a limited government sort of philosophy. You no doubt see first hand just how much waste there is.

I started working for the government when I was a FLAMING lib. That was a really long time ago. By the time I had my "conversion" and woke up I had way too many years in to walk away. I have not been a conservative thinking person for all that long, just about 7 years. Seeing all the waste has helped my conversion.



but remember......its for the kids!

 

[PLC1]

I started working for the government when I was a FLAMING lib. That was a really long time ago. By the time I had my "conversion" and woke up I had way too many years in to walk away. I have not been a conservative thinking person for all that long, just about 7 years. Seeing all the waste has helped my conversion.



but remember......its for the kids!

That phrase only works for education and child welfare, of course.

But, it has to be for something that everyone likes: kids, little warm puppies, disabled veterans, starry eyed new mothers, or something.

 

[dahermit]

I don't need anyone to tell me that regular exercise is an absolute necessity.

You are assuming that lack of exercise is the cause of over-weight. Consider the amount of exercise that professional football linemen do. If exercise is the answer, there would not be overweight pro football players. Yet, there are...and many of them are overweight. So, is exercise the answer?

 

[PLC1]

You are assuming that lack of exercise is the cause of over-weight. Consider the amount of exercise that professional football linemen do. If exercise is the answer, there would not be overweight pro football players. Yet, there are...and many of them are overweight. So, is exercise the answer?

It's half of the answer at least.

 

[dahermit]

It's half of the answer at least.

What of the thin people who never exercise and still stay slim? Your views are prejudicial and lack the scientific method.

 

[PLC1]

What of the thin people who never exercise and still stay slim? Your views are prejudicial and lack the scientific method.

Those thin people are a small minority, but, of course, I haven't applied the scientific method to this question. Such a study would go way beyond what anyone would do for an internet forum.

Do you have a hypothesis about why some people are fat and others not, one that doesn't believe that diet and exercise are the primary reasons?

 

[dahermit]

Those thin people are a small minority, but, of course, I haven't applied the scientific method to this question. Such a study would go way beyond what anyone would do for an internet forum.

So then, on an Internet forum any unscientific opinion and/or foolish assumption can be stated without any proof what so ever? Night blindness (moon blind) is caused from falling asleep with moon light shinning in your eyes...a common held belief circa Civil War period.
Cats will be attracted to a baby's breath because of the smell of milk and suck their breath away causing the baby to die(SIDS, Crib Death)...A commonly held belief even after WWII.

Do you have a hypothesis about why some people are fat and others not, one that doesn't believe that diet and exercise are the primary reasons?

No, I just have questions. For instance, why do some people "get full" and stop eating and never gain weight, where other people do not have that sensation that controls their appetite? Why are there fewer people today that have the sensation of being sated now than a few years ago? Why do people who loose weight(including those who have bariatric surgery) always seem to gain it back and usually add more pounds in doing so?
These type of questions are what an intelligent person would ask instead of offering opinions. These are the type of questions that should prompt thesis statements for research so that we do not continue to assess "moon blindness" to moonlight and SIDS to cats "sucking a baby's breath away."

 

[PLC1]

So then, on an Internet forum any unscientific opinion and/or foolish assumption can be stated without any proof what so ever? Night blindness (moon blind) is caused from falling asleep with moon light shinning in your eyes...a common held belief circa Civil War period.
Cats will be attracted to a baby's breath because of the smell of milk and suck their breath away causing the baby to die(SIDS, Crib Death)...A commonly held belief even after WWII.
No, I just have questions. For instance, why do some people "get full" and stop eating and never gain weight, where other people do not have that sensation that controls their appetite? Why are there fewer people today that have the sensation of being sated now than a few years ago? Why do people who loose weight(including those who have bariatric surgery) always seem to gain it back and usually add more pounds in doing so?
These type of questions are what an intelligent person would ask instead of offering opinions. These are the type of questions that should prompt thesis statements for research so that we do not continue to assess "moon blindness" to moonlight and SIDS to cats "sucking a baby's breath away."

So, you really believe that the diet and exercise hypothesis of weight loss is in the same category as cats sucking a babies breath away and other old wives' tales? Do you know of any scientific study that has reached a different conclusion about why there are so many fat people in the US and other advanced nations today?

You may be right, of course, there may be another explanation, may in fact be many causes for obesity. What do you think those causes might be?

 

[dahermit]

So, you really believe that the diet and exercise hypothesis of weight loss is in the same category as cats sucking a babies breath away and other old wives' tales?

Yes. Until there are scientific studies done, then yes, the assumption (not hypothesis) that over weight is a direct result of the lack of exercise and poor diet has no more validity than an old wives tale.

Do you know of any scientific study that has reached a different conclusion about why there are so many fat people in the US and other advanced nations today?

Do you know of any scientific study that has reached a conclusion that there are so many fat people in the US and other advanced nations today because of lack of exercise and poor diet as opposed to some fault in the innate appetite control?

You may be right, of course, there may be another explanation, may in fact be many causes for obesity.

Exactly, until there is research done, instead of assuming the cause. We will not know and will be blaming cats for SIDS.

What do you think those causes might be?

Many things should be investigated. Including hormones in the food supply. The effect of substituting Fructose for Sugar, substituting artificial sweeteners for sugar. Substituting margarine for lard and butter. Etc., Etc. Many things should be researched, nothing should be assumed.

Consider that despite the current assumption that exercise and diet are stated to be the remedy for overweight, and more people than ever have joined gyms and gone on diets, the numbers of over weight people continue to increase.

 

[PLC1]

Yes. Until there are scientific studies done, then yes, the assumption (not hypothesis) that over weight is a direct result of the lack of exercise and poor diet has no more validity than an old wives tale.

Do you know of any scientific study that has reached a conclusion that there are so many fat people in the US and other advanced nations today because of lack of exercise and poor diet as opposed to some fault in the innate appetite control?

Exactly, until there is research done, instead of assuming the cause. We will not know and will be blaming cats for SIDS.

Many things should be investigated. Including hormones in the food supply. The effect of substituting Fructose for Sugar, substituting artificial sweeteners for sugar. Substituting margarine for lard and butter. Etc., Etc. Many things should be researched, nothing should be assumed.

Consider that despite the current assumption that exercise and diet are stated to be the remedy for overweight, and more people than ever have joined gyms and gone on diets, the numbers of over weight people continue to increase.

Here is someone who did do a scientific survey, at least. This can't be called a "theory" just yet, but it does give us an indication of why some are overweight and others not, why some can successfully lose weight, while others can't:

Most successful dieters lose weight on their own

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - To shed excess pounds, forget expensive commercial diets or diet pills; most successful dieters lose weight on their own, largely by eating right and exercising regularly, according to a survey by Consumer Reports.

Hmm... eating right and exercising regularly. Here, I thought that was an old wives tale, like cats sucking the breath out of babies.

How about people who were never overweight?

Among the "always thin" group, only 3 percent said that they never exercised and that they ate whatever they wanted. In fact, the eating and exercise habits of the vast majority of the "always thin" group mirrored the eating and exercise habits of the "successful losers," a finding that downplays the idea that people who are able to stay fit and trim have a genetic edge.

There may be other factors, of course, but diet and exercise seem to be the main ones.

Quite unlike the stories of night blindness being caused by the moon.

Of course, there are other, less common factors as well, or else that 3% of the "always thin" group who ate what they wanted and never exercised wouldn't be thin. Sure, those factors need to be researched.

But, in the final analysis, if a person wants to lose weight, the way to do it is to eat less and exercise more. Those scientific breakthroughs you see on TV infomercials telling people that they only have to take whatever snake oil they are hawking without changing their lifestyles are just so much bunk.

 

[dahermit]

Here is someone who did do a scientific survey, at least. This can't be called a "theory" just yet, but it does give us an indication of why some are overweight and others not, why some can successfully lose weight, while others can't:

Most successful dieters lose weight on their own



Hmm... eating right and exercising regularly. Here, I thought that was an old wives tale, like cats sucking the breath out of babies.

How about people who were never overweight?



There may be other factors, of course, but diet and exercise seem to be the main ones.

Quite unlike the stories of night blindness being caused by the moon.

Of course, there are other, less common factors as well, or else that 3% of the "always thin" group who ate what they wanted and never exercised wouldn't be thin. Sure, those factors need to be researched.

But, in the final analysis, if a person wants to lose weight, the way to do it is to eat less and exercise more. Those scientific breakthroughs you see on TV infomercials telling people that they only have to take whatever snake oil they are hawking without changing their lifestyles are just so much bunk.

Among the "always thin" group, only 3 percent said that they never exercised and that they ate whatever they wanted. In fact, the eating and exercise habits of the vast majority of the "always thin" group mirrored the eating and exercise habits of the "successful losers," a finding that downplays the idea that people who are able to stay fit and trim have a genetic edge.

"Scientific" studies do not use questionare methods...they use observational. Studies show that what a person says is very differant to what they acutialy do.

Also, "...in the final analysis...", persons who are successful in losing weight, almost never keep it off. Therefore, diets and exercise only work in the short time.

 

[PLC1]

"Scientific" studies do not use questionare methods...they use observational. Studies show that what a person says is very differant to what they acutialy do.

Also, "...in the final analysis...", persons who are successful in losing weight, almost never keep it off. Therefore, diets and exercise only work in the short time.

This finding confirms a prior diet survey by Consumer Reports, in which 83 percent of "super losers" -- people who'd lost at least 10 percent of their starting weight and kept it off for 5 years or longer -- had done it entirely on their own.

Fiver years or longer is not the short term.

If you assume that the respondents were not being truthful, then perhaps you can still support whatever idea you have about what causes most obesity.

What do you think causes most obesity, btw?

 

[samsara15]

Does she purr while doing rotten things to the other employees, like Catbert does?

Sara works mainly with benefits.

Benefit denied.

People should realize that most companies are essentially self-insured, and that the rates are set not by the evil insurance companies, who serves as administrators, but by the companies they work for, which have to finance their insurance primarily out of money paid in. Even the weak form of socialism which is corporate insurance has a bottom line in which money in has balance up with money out. There is no free lunch.

 

[samsara15]

I live to eat. It's one of life's primary joys for me. People can preach at me and be self-righteous all they want to to, but I'm not changing my eating style. I don't eat large portions, but I'm not changing what I eat. If it kills me, so what? If people have to give up the joys of life to live, why live?

You Puritans can rail at me all you want. I am revolted by your asceticsm.

 

[samsara15]

Must health become a guilt trip? Is there any room for moderation? Compromise?