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  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    Plc makes a good point in using parental education levels as a barometer. Those parents know the value of education and it's significance to their offspring.
    But I would argue that even those with high school only can still understand this and demand better of their kids.
    Actually I can see where even poorly educated parents can connect the dots between their circumstances and educational failings and want better for the kiddos.
    Maybe it's as simple as just loving their kids enough to care ?
     
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    Oh, come on, now. That is such a cop out. The kids are in school 8 hours a day. Shouldn't the people who are paid to educate them during those hours have at least some accountability? Parents can do their own teaching, and give plenty of encouragement, but kids still make their own choices too. It's not just the parents, and it's not all the parents.

    Kids also get told constantly how they should all get a trophy even if they don't bother trying... that doesn't teach them to strive for excellence, but it's a lesson they will certainly learn in public schools.
     
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    Right, as you were saying, being too soft with students might not be a good idea. Some mercy is fine, but not awards for trying.

    When I was in high school I had taken a general level pre-algebra class. The class was full of such slackers and rednecks, the teacher literally had to make the final open book, even for something as easy as pre-algebra. However, he was a coach, and coaches generally are bad teachers, cause all they care about is sports.
     
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    In all the conversation about financing schooling. Does any conversation regarding aged 5 to 6 years children are too young to sit in classrooms for many hours each school day? Does any person consider young children are slowly being traumatised? That as children listen to adult speed teacher statements, children can barely keep up with what's going on. Mental stress builds up where children are developing avoidance tactics to medicate long hours jailed in classrooms.
    Does any person consider education is reducing children's ability to learn? Merely because some authority concludes their version of education is real education.
    I conclude all the talk about how education has this or that wrong with it, should consider mental illnesses are caused by hurrying emotional self-programming child brains into mental illness.
    I strongly suggest endorphins are medicating childhood mental stress. That children are becoming addicted to morphine that as the addiction is becoming difficult to manage, children are suffering form withdrawal feeling as mental depression. That governments are aware of this problem, yet governments are using delusional behaviours to allow democracy governments to be believed.
     
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    Governments aren't aware of the problems you describe, but a lot of educators are. Yes, little children need more play time, and that includes kids older than five or six. Were there more recess and play time, children would be less stressed and probably less prone to obesity. Yes, trying to teach an abstract concept too soon can produce learning disabilities.

    I'm not sure what morphine addiction has to do with anything, though.
     
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    Around here they are quite aware that younger kids are better taught in smaller bites and as part of an activity.
    Anecdotal to be sure but while I am generally pleased with the schools on my area (that's a big reason I moved there) this area is hardly unique.
    Look anywhere that has parents invested in their children's future and you will find success in education.
     
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    Parents invested in their children's education is the key.
     
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    And the only key.
    Bad teachers can't hurt kids if parents are invested nor can good teachers overcome divested parents unless the kid does it himself. Happens but not a lot.
     
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    In my experience, yes, coaches are often terrible teachers. I have four kids, three of whom have graduated. One "teacher," a coach, just threw a book at them and expected them to teach themselves. We had to learn the material so that we could teach it to them.

    Rednecks? I don't know what that means.
     
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    Generally refers to poor white folks, particularly from rural areas: hicks

    Here's how you spot a redneck
     
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    You might be a redneck...
    A humerus look.
     
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    Yeah, I know what redneck and "hick" mean. I was just being a smart ass. I find it interesting that the oh.so.tolerant ones never seem to have a problem bashing certain groups of people.

    I was hoping the person I replied to might think about it.

    Okay, the "you might be a redneck" stuff was always good for a laugh. It's okay for him to say that stuff "cuz he are one."
     
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    On April 11, 2016. Shakespeare is celebrated on Australian ABC television program entitled “QandA”, a discussion panel of media's occasional guests, stating their opinions on several studio audiences often read questions.

    Last question for the night was asked about Shakespeare. Due to Shakespeare's 400 year April 23, 2016 anniversary of Shakespeare's death.

    Shakespeare received marvellous opinions by several panellists.


    Germaine Greer says “I think we can't do without Shakespeare”. “because the plays are so difficult, it is difficult to decide what they mean, they're not actually deducting in that sense, they're not telling you what to think, they're making you think”, “everything is undermined in Shakespeare, the goal posts are moving all the time”. “they do read him at schools and that's not always such a good thing, because schools can put kids off Shakespeare”, “you don't have to read it, its everywhere” Shakespeare should be performed by students, students experiencing the interaction between characters.

    After Germaine Greer said “you don't have to read it, its everywhere” Germaine Greer hesitated without elaborating what she meant by “its everywhere”. My conclusion is Shakespeare story themes are everywhere in that Shakespeare murder story investigations: limited understanding; shifting scenes; interrupting each other characters, love, death, murders, greed, poisonings, revenge. To say these ideas are beneficial to society, depends on who is it beneficial to.


    I say Shakespeare is a deliberate sabotage to school students already damaged thought processes.

    Shakespeare was written during a period where both church and ruling classes were constantly in fear of being overthrown by a peasant rebellion. Royalty and nobility classes using peasant labours to build large country houses, peasants working the land for land owners for beaten down subsistence wages to buy back basic needs from land owners working peasants produced, meanwhile serving, building and repairing country houses in order to live on landowner's land. People brought up on Catholic beliefs, suddenly having ceremonies band and Catholic priests arrested for performing Catholic ceremonies. Public executions used to warn people not to defy authority.

    To allow independent from authority thinking people to write and perform plays that could persuade peasants to think for themselves after hundreds of years of royal authority controlling people through two separate sets of laws: royal laws and harsh rules Catholic religion laws, seems unlikely.

    The name Shakespeare, 400 years ago, a soldier guarding a doorway example, the guard shaking his spear at some person approaching the guard would be considered a warning to keep away. The name Shakespeare could be recognised as a warning threat.


    Entertaining peasants with Shakespeare's previously dead royalty class, murdering each other stories, seems similar to modern day exposing political scandals alcohol and or delusional fuelled entertainment, entertainment satisfying human boredom and fatigued labours. Maybe Shakespeare murder stories had peasants murdering each other.

    The difficulty in understanding quickly spoken sentences allowed exhausted peasants to often incorrectly assume what actors were saying. 400 years ago peasants could be self-conditioning themselves not to listen for the purpose of understanding what's being meant.

    Several years ago a documentary “in search of Shakespeare” mentioned in Shakespeare's day, schooling taught from 6 AM to 6 PM for 6 days a week 666, Greek and Latin with more pleasurable students performing Shakespeare and similar plays of the day. I assume the pleasure of theatre plays consumed adults much the same as politics and sports consumes many people's spare thoughts. Ruling classes had spies listening in inns for drunken loss lips speaking out conspiracies against the Crown.

    Where Catholic religion programmed human thought, protestant religion replaced people's programmed fear of death without absolution from sins, desires to enter heaven to avoid hell, was replaced with theatre play performances.


    Several modern day media have suggested that Shakespeare didn't write all that he wrote, media stating Shakespeare wrote more writings than any one person could have written in their lifetime. One recent ABC television presented British production played out a story that Shakespeare being an actor could read yet could not write, which I doubt. Another media comment suggested that sonnets relating to Shakespeare's son's early death allowed reasons for writing reading material on his son's death. Prompting ideas that the death was used to write readings for people to read relating to little more than death, which I assume was forced upon children in schools. Having noticed Henry Lawson readings, much of Henry Lawson writings are about death, which I am certain was forced upon children at schools during the first half of the 20th century.


    Much of Shakespeare's plays are about death: murders; plots to murder a king; anxiety and anguish; accidental and intentional murders.

    I attempted, yet quickly stopped watching Orson Wells 1937 MacBeth. I have watched Laurence Olivier 1948 Hamlet and 1955 Richard the third.

    I would accuse more entertaining modern versions of Shakespeare story lines as redirecting real money making skilled thought productive thinking towards royal/political family dysfunctional behaviours. Simple redirections satisfies human boredom desires to learn more worthwhile information.


    Modern day media are mostly about murder leading to murder investigations. My point is that murder stories allows actors to talk about people. People talking about people: where were murder suspects; who witnessed murder suspects; how did murder suspects get where murder suspects were; why were murder suspects there, who did it stories, two people conversation interrupting each other, are rather dummying by the simplicity of the stories to readers and media viewers.

    Reading Shakespeare with all the twisted phrases reduces human intelligence by punishing human incentives to understand something that is baring worth trying to understand. Once sentences have been realised what sentences are about, readers and or listeners would have known ideas were being mentioned, and that most sentences are one line one idea sentences.


    Human brains are self-trained to listen for phrases and selective words which scanning brains are deducing opinions and arguments towards selective goals. Shakespeare messes with increasing ability to determine what maybe important to peasants' own future. I am sure in Elizabethan days, some royal court intellectual class commissioned and wrote plays to be rewritten and performed as to control peasants thought processes. By allowing murder stories to redirect worthwhile intelligent understanding onto no worthy realisation understanding, using rambling sentenced stories, suddenly ending solving some murder. Shakespeare is sabotaging real intellectual brain learning process.


    Modern day books can be obtained about: black holes; star systems; global warming; political analogies relating to politicians personal ambition and personal beliefs; Napoleon. In all the readings, intelligent sounding sentences could be read, yet, intelligent thought obtained from such readings aids many people's delusion of obtaining increased intelligence for understanding, yet, I say much of the intelligence gained is Shakespearean objective misdirection.

    Black hole author Stephen Hawking, labelled smartest scientist in the world, is seen sitting in wheelchair barely moving. I have not seen Stephen Hawking type words into the keyboard by means of a stick in his mouth, while sitting in his wheelchair, as stated by the media which Stephen Hawking does in order to communicate to listeners. What's said to be happening which listeners believe out of faith in media, by messing with listeners brains, to me is Shakespearean.


    My opinion is that Shakespeare was contrived to damage school students and audiences ability to think. Shakespeare is a redirection from learning to think long worded sentences within subconscious thought processes. Having QandA panellists opinions recommend Shakespeare as a brilliant must do, is to myself, showing correctly self-programmed intelligent people QandA panel opinions are guided by the interests of the establishment who pay money to these people to redirect people away from real worthwhile topics that not only expose societies illnesses, that real knowledgeable panellists may come up with worthy solutions, that media program panellists occasional bringing up worthwhile discussions, end discussions, having no thought up solutions, merely suggest that “something should be done”.


    I would even accuse most news stories of being very Shakespearean in that many media stories follow Shakespeare redirections towards murder, violence, political scandals to somewhat satisfy reduced boredom that may have lead human behaviour towards more productive pursuits.
     
  14. Jason76

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    I grew up around rednecks. If I had grown up around black thugs, I'd be bashing them. Of course, not all rednecks are bad, just like all black people aren't bad, of course. :cautious:

    :ROFLMAO:

    Generally my class was full of stoners, jocks who wanted an easy course, and rednecks. It sort of resembled the "Welcome Back Kotter" show.
     
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    Ha ha, Welcome back Kotter. That's a blast from the past.

    Yeah, that's kind of my point. It's okay to bash "rednecks." Try bashing "black thugs" or other assorted groups, or even using that term in some scenarios, and see what happens.
     
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