Govt schools still turning out garbage

[Angelabove]

A number of issues come to mind when it comes to school, especially public schools.

1)Parents believing that the schools should raise their children

2)Parents being uneducated and not willing to become educated. (Their are some not willing to get a GED)

3)Children having children

4)Not enough pay for teachers


In short our parents and schools needs to take back control.

I was raised in S.C. and by parents who did not play with education. Moving to Miami my senior presented a new atmosphere. In S.C. the schools are not overcrowded,they keep the students in line big time, and the dress code is different. I will keep the school name private but oh my goodness, here in Miami the girls look liked they are going to clubs. No joke, I will never forget, this girl had on a black shorts jumper set with silver heels. In SC majority of the people wore jeans and t -shirts. They did not focused on fashion statements but learning. (Sorry flashback)

Let me know what you think.

 

[Libsmasher]

4)Not enough pay for teachers

You're OK except for that. Incompetent teachers are protected by unions. You can only fire them if they do something like commit murder. Also, they get pay raises based on how long they've been around, and whether they got their master's degree - not how good they are. 90% of them wouldn't last 10 seconds in the private sector, and they're wayyyyyyyyyyyyy overpaid.

 

[PLC1]

GOP(JT) has given us a good view of all too many high schools from the student's perspective, and many of the responses to his post are worth thinking about also.

Some solutions that would most likely work are:

Do away with NCLB, and get the federal government out of education. Let the local boards allow students who attack others to be expelled, and have classes geared to students who excel get more attention than remedial. Local boards have figured that out already, but are tied up by federal and state regulations, and the necessity of keeping students in school so that they don't commit crimes in the community. High schools aren't reformatories.

Allow parents and students to choose which school they want to attend, and allow schools to set standards for admission.

Allow students to choose a vocational track. Not everyone will go to the university, and there wouldn't be jobs for them if they did.

Hang in there, GOP(JT). If you're not old enough to vote yet, you soon will be. Maybe the younger generation can bring about some real change.

 

[Federal Farmer]

good for you being involved. when i am a parent i will be happy to move, or if necessary, pay, to ensure my kids have a good education.

i went to one of the best public schools in the country (newsweek ranked it #6) so i find it both curious and appalling that people can leave school and be so undereducated. as a current college student, i see it a lot- people take their general ed requirements, which are equivalent to my freshman year of high school, and they struggle with it! it's really awful.

OK, this is NOT intended to be a personal attack against you, merely an OBSERVATION to illuminate my point. Also, this is not a case of someone playing "SpellCheck Police", as I'm fully aware that we ALL mis-spell, or miss punctuation on occasion.

Go back and carefully review what you wrote, as your performance is a primary example of what is wrong with the "Publik Skuul Sistum" in America today. Lack of capitalization, fragmented sentence structure, etc., etc., etc. You said that you attended the 6th rated school system in the country (according to Newsweek), and yet you apparantly weren't sufficiently instructed in the importance of proper writing skills!

If you intend to be taken seriously in this life, I would strongly suggest that you pay a greater degree of attention to exactly how your words are perceived. I've rejected, out of hand, more than my share of applicants, who were graduates of some of the better schools in America, for those same types of errors, because they are indicitive of an undisciplined mind.

ps. it seems like about 3/4ths of the regular posters here are on your ignore list! haha, it must be a very streamlined view.

Yes, my Ignore list is quite extensive, and as was pointed out by one of the Mods, it would probably be much easier to list who is NOT on the list, but that aside, I simply refuse to waste my time reading the mindless prattle and tripe that is posted by the resident CT freaks, barking moonbats, gutless cheese-eating surrender monkeys, and "Hate America First" crowd.

 

[PLC1]

OK, this is NOT intended to be a personal attack against you, merely an OBSERVATION to illuminate my point. Also, this is not a case of someone playing "SpellCheck Police", as I'm fully aware that we ALL mis-spell, or miss punctuation on occasion.

Go back and carefully review what you wrote, as your performance is a primary example of what is wrong with the "Publik Skuul Sistum" in America today. Lack of capitalization, fragmented sentence structure, etc., etc., etc. You said that you attended the 6th rated school system in the country (according to Newsweek), and yet you apparantly weren't sufficiently instructed in the importance of proper writing skills!

Interesting observation. One must wonder whether the word "apparently" was misspelled on purpose, as was "Publik Skuul Sustum".

I'm guessing it wasn't.

Not that I usually point out spelling errors, of course, unless there is a real point to doing so.

If you intend to be taken seriously in this life, I would strongly suggest that you pay a greater degree of attention to exactly how your words are perceived. I've rejected, out of hand, more than my share of applicants, who were graduates of some of the better schools in America, for those same types of errors, because they are indicitive of an undisciplined mind.

Couldn't they spell "indicative" either?

Yes, my Ignore list is quite extensive, and as was pointed out by one of the Mods, it would probably be much easier to list who is NOT on the list, but that aside, I simply refuse to waste my time reading the mindless prattle and tripe that is posted by the resident CT freaks, barking moonbats, gutless cheese-eating surrender monkeys, and "Hate America First" crowd.

Your ignore list, in fact, includes anyone who doesn't share your rather narrow point of view, including yours truly.

Since you won't bother to read my post, I leave it for the benefit of all-arm, and anyone else who enjoys a good laugh.

 

[Federal Farmer]

Interesting observation. One must wonder whether the word "apparently" was misspelled on purpose, as was "Publik Skuul Sustum".

I'm guessing it wasn't.

Not that I usually point out spelling errors, of course, unless there is a real point to doing so.

Couldn't they spell "indicative" either?

All intentional PLC, not only to reinforce the point that I wasn't playing "SpellCheck Police", but in the hopes that all_arm would pick up on it, and realize that I really wasn't picking on him. An Olive branch if you will, but as usual, you're entirely too frickin' dense to comprehend the obvious.

Your ignore list, in fact, includes anyone who doesn't share your rather narrow point of view, including yours truly.

Since you won't bother to read my post, I leave it for the benefit of all-arm, and anyone else who enjoys a good laugh.

No, it only includes those who refuse to accept reality, who consistantly rely on lies, obfuscation, equivocation, sophistry and prevarication to justify their lack of intellectual ability, or are, like yourself, simply too stupid to waste my time on.

 

[PLC1]

All intentional PLC, not only to reinforce the point that I wasn't playing "SpellCheck Police", but in the hopes that all_arm would pick up on it, and realize that I really wasn't picking on him. An Olive branch if you will, but as usual, you're entirely too frickin' dense to comprehend the obvious.

Yeah, right. Sure, that's the ticket, sure.

No, it only includes those who refuse to accept reality, who consistantly rely on lies, obfuscation, equivocation, sophistry and prevarication to justify their lack of intellectual ability, or are, like yourself, simply too stupid to waste my time on.

Which, in your mind, is tantamount to not accepting your own rather narrow view of the world. As I've pointed out to several here on this forum, personal attacks are a sure sign that the person doing the attacking has no valid arguments left and has stooped to the school child level:

"Did too!"

"Did not!"

"Are too!"

"Are not!"

These forums would be somewhat dull if everyone agreed, don't you think?

Say, does this mean I'm off of the ignore list? Dang, just when I was beginning to enjoy the peace and quiet.

 

[Jason76]

I don't think the problem has anything to do with socialism or free market capitalism. Generally speaking, it's the fault of the parents. They don't encourage their kids to do well. Perhaps, the decline of family values also plays a big role.

 

[josuemilan]

I believe the main reason government schools are failing is because of money. America is ran by an oligarchy and those people who make the rules have no interest in the quantity of children learning quality work. This is the reason they create a standard, and this standard is set when things are subsidized by the government. A major problem is the idea that volunteerism does not exist anymore. This is what happens when education is forced by monetary gains. The people that create the standard for education, make it the way it is to filter out the lower common denominators. This creates a large divide from the people that will graduate and actually find good jobs. It is all about money and that is the reason people with more money tend to get better educations. Parents in poor neighborhoods will often lie there zip codes so there kids get accepted to better schools. If we could get people to volunteer and not have greed as their primary agenda, the education system would be a lot better.

 

[Cruella]

I believe the main reason government schools are failing is because of money. America is ran by an oligarchy and those people who make the rules have no interest in the quantity of children learning quality work. This is the reason they create a standard, and this standard is set when things are subsidized by the government. A major problem is the idea that volunteerism does not exist anymore. This is what happens when education is forced by monetary gains. The people that create the standard for education, make it the way it is to filter out the lower common denominators. This creates a large divide from the people that will graduate and actually find good jobs. It is all about money and that is the reason people with more money tend to get better educations. Parents in poor neighborhoods will often lie there zip codes so there kids get accepted to better schools. If we could get people to volunteer and not have greed as their primary agenda, the education system would be a lot better.

I didn't quite follow your thinking. But money has nothing to do with it. My kids were very well educated in private school, which managed to educate for less than half of what public schools are getting. Homeschooling on average also does a pretty good job of educating, without too much expense involved.

 

[Jason76]

In the third world the public schools are terrible, because the rich won't fund them, just like they won't fund anything else. In other words, the situation is far worse than in the states. There you must go to a private school to get a good education. Usually the rich in the 3rd world will give excuses for the inequality, claiming the poor waste their money on booze. What excuses do the rich give in the US for inequality, and are they justified reasons?

 

[Cruella]

What excuses do the rich give in the US for inequality, and are they justified reasons?

What does money have to do with it? All kids in America are supposed to attend school by law. If they aren't learning, then that is the responsibility of the parent to find out why, and do something about it.

This constant idea that throwing more money at schools is the solution, doesn't fly. We've been throwing money at schools for decades, and there is little, if any improvement.

 

[PLC1]

It seems to me that decentralization of authority (closing the Department of Education for starters) would do more for education than more money would do. More choices for parents would help. Less bureaucracy would be a good idea, and would become less necessary with decentralization.

 

[Cruella]

It seems to me that decentralization of authority (closing the Department of Education for starters) would do more for education than more money would do. More choices for parents would help. Less bureaucracy would be a good idea, and would become less necessary with decentralization.

I agree. My experience with kids is that they are natural born learners. The problem is, they don't all learn at the same rate, or in the same way. As individuals, which is expressed quite young, they all have their likes and dislikes. Where girls might be content with sitting in a circle for story time or coloring, the boys might be better served out running off their abundant energy. One thing I hate the most about today's classroom, is forcing kids to sit at a desk for 6-8 hrs a day, come home and do homework and not expect them to get turned off to learning all together.

 

[josuemilan]

I didn't quite follow your thinking. But money has nothing to do with it. My kids were very well educated in private school, which managed to educate for less than half of what public schools are getting. Homeschooling on average also does a pretty good job of educating, without too much expense involved.

Money is an important factor in the equation. You can measure the results of how students do academically in impoverished areas with those that live in areas with better financial resources, if you really think money has nothing to do with it. Some public schools do better than private schools and vice versa. One I am not saying is that every rich kid will be successful, because there are many people who came from poverty who are successful. People who have money that come from areas where they are taught better would not think money is the issue. Some people just have had a better upbringing and they only know things to come that way naturally. In the case of public schools you could say that money is not the issue since they are free, but where do all your tax dollars go. Education is forced and if you do not pay that portion of your tax dollars for a certain length of time, people in blue uniforms with guns will come and get you. You mentioned they do not learn in the same way or rate, where in my post I mentioned there is a standard. The standard is what causes the divide, and if you are not left brained they do not care about you in America.