Just a Socialist Code Word?

They are good things

They are much beytter than what went before

They could be better, but they have done more good for more people than any capitalist activity

You lost again
 
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They are good things

They are much beytter than what went before

They could be better, but they have done more good for more people than any capitalist activity

You lost again

Well, hell ... if you say so !!! I can't imagine why I didn't just take your word for it ... who needs proof when we have you passing down acclimations from on high??

Give me a break ...
 
I suppose you yearn for times when the poor were illiterate and you could give a nigger a good lynchin' for lookin' at a White girl

Just because education hasn't helped you to see the world more clearly you shouldn't conclude that the same prevails for others

Just look at how atheism is growing around the world as education and science show what a load of baloney religion is

It does show how brainwashed you are though - the fact that socialism is changing the world for the better but you can't allow yourself to accept it

You'd much rather defend the rights of the tiny minority who are rich and who rape you financially

Funny how the right hate the government legally taking some of your money to educate etc but you love the rich taking your money to just make themselves richer

Just shows how stupid you have to be to swallow their shit
 
I suppose you yearn for times when the poor were illiterate and you could give a nigger a good lynchin' for lookin' at a White girl

Just because education hasn't helped you to see the world more clearly you shouldn't conclude that the same prevails for others

Just look at how atheism is growing around the world as education and science show what a load of baloney religion is

It does show how brainwashed you are though - the fact that socialism is changing the world for the better but you can't allow yourself to accept it

You'd much rather defend the rights of the tiny minority who are rich and who rape you financially

Funny how the right hate the government legally taking some of your money to educate etc but you love the rich taking your money to just make themselves richer

Just shows how stupid you have to be to swallow their shit


Well, I guess you're good for .... comic relief.
 
Why is is when you hear income redistribution? Republicans cry for the wrong people? You want to know who who is shifting the wealth? its the Rich. The Average workers work harder, and longer for less each year...while the Top Make more and more and more.. When the Rich lose there job, they get a golden Parachute worth more then half the workforce of that company makes in a year combined...and then bitch about the workers who are out of job needing more time to find a job that pays enough to pay the bills.

The real question is why the Republicans and the Elite, cry socialism evry time anyone in the lower or middle class demands a equal share of the profits. And asks to be paid a fair wage for a days work. Republicans look at the poor making min wage, and thing the problem is, companies should be able to pay them even less...

You want to get rid of government programs or reduce them? How about make companies who make billions pay there workers a wage that would keep them from needing federal or state money to make rent or eat...while working 2 jobs often.

If you really fear socialism...then you should be scared as fuck about the Income gap in this nation. Because thats how you get it...when the poor get so sick of it, they take the streets...and let the streets run red with rich mans blood.
 
I'm sorry ... clearly, you haven't given this much thought, have you?

Let's follow your scenario to its logical (God, how liberals hate THAT word) conclusion.

You want to take money from some people, and give it to other people, right? You know - that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" thing. So, let's assume we do that ... we put all the money in a big pot, take out the money necessary to run the government, and just divide all the money among the people (contributors and non-contributors). Everybody makes the same ... sounds pretty equal to me.

But, let me ask a question ... where's the incentive for me to be a contributor? Why would I work when I get nothing for my efforts? Why would I work, when I could just NOT work, and get the same value? So, each year, the contributors get smarter, and eventually you have NO contributors, just takers? Where does the money come from?

But, surely, you didn't mean that, did you? You don't want to take ALL the money from the contributors - just some of it. So, we'll have contributors who have SOME money and non-contributors have have some money, but clearly, less than the contributors.

But, let me ask a question ... where's the line? Anything over a million? Two million? 500,000? What's the incentive for the contributor to work harder? Why would I work twice as hard to produce $5 million, and give $4 million away, when I could just work hard enough to get $1 million??? Where does the money come from?

So, let's be logical .... we'll just take 10% of everything you make over $1 million and give it to those who aren't contributing. Oh wait --- we can't do that, because we already take 35% of everything you make. We take it, and we use it to do all those things the government wants to do ... and, even better, we make sure the non-contributors don't have to pay any of that bill. You know, they get free education, free roads, free defense, free food, free housing.

But, apparently, 35% isn't enough ... the non-contributors want even more ... they want as much as the contributors do ... and we're right back to our first scenario. And, you already agreed THAT won't work.

Why would you hang on to a demonstrably failed system? There has NEVER been a socialist society that has been successful over the long term. Name a single socialist government (anywhere) that has ever worked ... the truth is simple ... implementation of socialist policies has crippled every society.

So, let's talk about your 'lower or middle class demands a equal share of the profits' comment - do you believe that people should be rewarded by the amount of their contribution? Is that a fair statement? If you contribute 1% to the effort, you should get 1% of the reward? That seems fair, right? That's what you are calling for, right? Sounds good -- until you look at it logically (there's that damn word again).

How much does a factory worker contribute to a product? We have a ball bearing factory - it employs 100 people. It produces 1,000,000 ball bearings a day. We sell ball bearings for $.10 each, so we can agree that the factory produces $100,000 a day in gross income. The cost of producing those million ball bearings (not including labor) is $30,000 (you know, for raw materials, machines, electricity, etc., etc.) So, there is a gross profit (before labor) of $70,000. What do you want the average income per person to be? Pick a number ... tell us what you think.

I will remind you, though ... you better leave enough to make it worthwhile for the owner to invest ... or, you won't have a job at all.

I know!!!! Let's just give the company to the government .. let them run it ... that's true socialism, right? Wonder what it would cost to have the government run it ... hmmmm. The Bureau of Labor Statistics tell us that "Employer costs for state and local government workers averaged $27.38 per hour worked for wages and salaries and $15.13 for benefits in September 2013." You'll also find that federal workers are even MORE expensive. I saw once that the cost of government oversight of a federal contract is just about 38% of the overall contract.

In short, you overvalue your contribution to the final product, and undervalue the contribution of the business owner or manager.

I strongly recommend you read Ayn Rand's book, "Atlas Shrugged" - she was an avowed socialist until she started writing a book that proved socialism is the ideal economic model. When she was done, she was a staunch capitalist. Maybe you will have the same epiphany.

But, don't believe me ... just show me a single instance of the success of a socialistic economic model .. just one. We all know the definition of insanity, don't we?
 
I'm sorry ... clearly, you haven't given this much thought, have you?

Let's follow your scenario to its logical (God, how liberals hate THAT word) conclusion.

You want to take money from some people, and give it to other people, right? You know - that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" thing. So, let's assume we do that ... we put all the money in a big pot, take out the money necessary to run the government, and just divide all the money among the people (contributors and non-contributors). Everybody makes the same ... sounds pretty equal to me.

But, let me ask a question ... where's the incentive for me to be a contributor? Why would I work when I get nothing for my efforts? Why would I work, when I could just NOT work, and get the same value? So, each year, the contributors get smarter, and eventually you have NO contributors, just takers? Where does the money come from?

But, surely, you didn't mean that, did you? You don't want to take ALL the money from the contributors - just some of it. So, we'll have contributors who have SOME money and non-contributors have have some money, but clearly, less than the contributors.

But, let me ask a question ... where's the line? Anything over a million? Two million? 500,000? What's the incentive for the contributor to work harder? Why would I work twice as hard to produce $5 million, and give $4 million away, when I could just work hard enough to get $1 million??? Where does the money come from?

So, let's be logical .... we'll just take 10% of everything you make over $1 million and give it to those who aren't contributing. Oh wait --- we can't do that, because we already take 35% of everything you make. We take it, and we use it to do all those things the government wants to do ... and, even better, we make sure the non-contributors don't have to pay any of that bill. You know, they get free education, free roads, free defense, free food, free housing.

But, apparently, 35% isn't enough ... the non-contributors want even more ... they want as much as the contributors do ... and we're right back to our first scenario. And, you already agreed THAT won't work.

Why would you hang on to a demonstrably failed system? There has NEVER been a socialist society that has been successful over the long term. Name a single socialist government (anywhere) that has ever worked ... the truth is simple ... implementation of socialist policies has crippled every society.

So, let's talk about your 'lower or middle class demands a equal share of the profits' comment - do you believe that people should be rewarded by the amount of their contribution? Is that a fair statement? If you contribute 1% to the effort, you should get 1% of the reward? That seems fair, right? That's what you are calling for, right? Sounds good -- until you look at it logically (there's that damn word again).

How much does a factory worker contribute to a product? We have a ball bearing factory - it employs 100 people. It produces 1,000,000 ball bearings a day. We sell ball bearings for $.10 each, so we can agree that the factory produces $100,000 a day in gross income. The cost of producing those million ball bearings (not including labor) is $30,000 (you know, for raw materials, machines, electricity, etc., etc.) So, there is a gross profit (before labor) of $70,000. What do you want the average income per person to be? Pick a number ... tell us what you think.

I will remind you, though ... you better leave enough to make it worthwhile for the owner to invest ... or, you won't have a job at all.

I know!!!! Let's just give the company to the government .. let them run it ... that's true socialism, right? Wonder what it would cost to have the government run it ... hmmmm. The Bureau of Labor Statistics tell us that "Employer costs for state and local government workers averaged $27.38 per hour worked for wages and salaries and $15.13 for benefits in September 2013." You'll also find that federal workers are even MORE expensive. I saw once that the cost of government oversight of a federal contract is just about 38% of the overall contract.

In short, you overvalue your contribution to the final product, and undervalue the contribution of the business owner or manager.

I strongly recommend you read Ayn Rand's book, "Atlas Shrugged" - she was an avowed socialist until she started writing a book that proved socialism is the ideal economic model. When she was done, she was a staunch capitalist. Maybe you will have the same epiphany.

But, don't believe me ... just show me a single instance of the success of a socialistic economic model .. just one. We all know the definition of insanity, don't we?

I will name a successfull nation that is Socialist..
the United States of America.
Happy?

Name a nation that is not socialist that is a success.
 
Only if you have your way ...

using what republicans call socialism we are, and have been for some 100 year at least...

By the way you said name one, if you want more just look at most of the world...Take a look at who scores higher on science, math, Health care, and all of that...all those nations above us...socialist. many more socialist then the US.

SO again, name the capitalist one...
 
The Pilgrims tried "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

It didn't work, and they almost starved to death. The main reason it didn't work was because there was no incentive. Some people were productive and some were willing to let the others do all the work. The productive became resentful towards the ones who didn't produce.

It wasn't until each family was given their own plots to produce, or not produce, for themselves, that the Pilgrims began to prosper.

You can read it in "Plymouth Plantation" by William Bradford, on the internet.

As far as what the bible says;
2 Thessalonians 3:10
New King James Version (NKJV)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

Proverbs 24:30-34 ESV /
I passed by the field of a sluggard, by the vineyard of a man lacking sense, and behold, it was all overgrown with thorns; the ground was covered with nettles, and its stone wall was broken down. Then I saw and considered it; I looked and received instruction. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and want like an armed man.

Proverbs 6:6 ESV /
Go to the ant, O sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise.

2 Timothy 3:17 ESV /
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 20:13 ESV /
Love not sleep, lest you come to poverty; open your eyes, and you will have plenty of bread.

Proverbs 10:4 ESV /
A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.
 
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Dang, I hate that Bible stuff ... it's so .... so ... true.


(If that don't spin up Dawky, nothing will!!!)
 
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