My 15+15+15 plan

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15% Income tax on everybody
15% Business tax
15% Luxery Morgage loan tax

Income tax on everybody you know what that means.
Business tax you know what that means.
Luxery Morgage loan tax,,That means if you buy a Yacht,Private Jet,Limos,Cars Or Luxery home and go to the Bank to buy it you pay an extra 15% tax on it 15% Income taxes will help the Middle Class and the wealthy won pay so much. But you buy a Business you pay 15% more Thats like 30% income and Business together. But if you go to the bank get a loan for luxery items you pay more for it. A loophole around it is pay it out of your own pockets and checkbook and you wont pay this Luxery Morgage loan tax. This tax doesnt hurt the Middle class though.
 
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15% Income tax on everybody
15% Business tax
15% Luxery Morgage loan tax

Income tax on everybody you know what that means.
Business tax you know what that means.
Luxery Morgage loan tax,,That means if you buy a Yacht,Private Jet,Limos,Cars Or Luxery home and go to the Bank to buy it you pay an extra 15% tax on it 15% Income taxes will help the Middle Class and the wealthy won pay so much. But you buy a Business you pay 15% more Thats like 30% income and Business together. But if you go to the bank get a loan for luxery items you pay more for it. A loophole around it is pay it out of your own pockets and checkbook and you wont pay this Luxery Morgage loan tax. This tax doesnt hurt the Middle class though.

Sure, dear. Can you live with 15% taken out of your monthly check?
Well, about 40% of people in America can't either.

So. . .are you willing to crawl up in a gutter and die? 40% of the US is not willing to do that either, especially not to "support" the conspicous spending habits of multi-millionaires!

Now, if you said, ANY INCOME above the basic "survival" income (let's say, $30,000 a year) would be taxed at that level. . that would make a little more sense.

But you do NOT ask a person who makes $20,000 a year and supports 2 or 3 children to give up $3,000 a year and be left with less than $1,500 a month to secure housing, transportation, food, and health care for 4 people. While the multi-millionaire who makes $10 millions is left with $8.5 millions, most of which goes, not to "living expenses," but to "wealth hoarding" that growth exponentially!
 
Its very simple. Get a job,Join a union,Get more money. You do the math.
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Its very simple. Get a job,Join a union,Get more money. You do the math.
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You mean. . .the unions that the GOP is trying so hard to destroy?

It seems very hard for you to keep more than one thought at the time in your mind. . .You cheer the tea party and the GOP, but you praise the Unions. . .

Could you try to get a FULL picture of what you're trying to say before you make such disconnected comments?

THINK! And try to THINK for yourself, make up your own mind, recognize propaganda when you see or hear it.

I think you're a pretty good guy, trying to make sense of all this, and jumping on every "bandwagon" that squeeks the most, whether that band wagon is ready to lose a wheel or fall of the edge into a precipice.
 
You see,America isnt what it used to be. The Real America true freedom was back in Thomas Jeffersons ERA. When the Justice system returns to its roots crime will go down.Government stops spending,Cut Tax rates and bring back jobs. Thats what the tea party stands for.
 
You see,America isnt what it used to be. The Real America true freedom was back in Thomas Jeffersons ERA. When the Justice system returns to its roots crime will go down.Government stops spending,Cut Tax rates and bring back jobs. Thats what the tea party stands for.


Sounds wonderful. . . if you are also ready to go back to Jefferson's era's infrastructure. ..no more airports, no more highways, no more bridges, no more dams, no more national parks, no more public transportation, send the unemployed and the sick to the poor house. . .

But. . .wait a minute. . .all those people working in airport, or building planes, or building highways, or building dams, or working in national parks, or driving buses and maintaining railroads. . . where will THEY work?

What kind of jobs do you think will compensate for all those jobs lost and add more on top of it? Or do you think we'll just all be plenty busy hunting, growing our own food, cutting our own wood, and filling our pipes?
 
Sounds wonderful. . . if you are also ready to go back to Jefferson's era's infrastructure. ..no more airports, no more highways, no more bridges, no more dams, no more national parks, no more public transportation, send the unemployed and the sick to the poor house. . .

But. . .wait a minute. . .all those people working in airport, or building planes, or building highways, or building dams, or working in national parks, or driving buses and maintaining railroads. . . where will THEY work?

What kind of jobs do you think will compensate for all those jobs lost and add more on top of it? Or do you think we'll just all be plenty busy hunting, growing our own food, cutting our own wood, and filling our pipes?


Do you know who built the transportion systems before the Whigs succeeded in conning people into having government do it ? These people go work for them. May not even be required to join a union.
 
Do you know who built the transportion systems before the Whigs succeeded in conning people into having government do it ? These people go work for them. May not even be required to join a union.

Yes, dear, I know. . . but it certainly isn't the Robber barons who care enough to maintain transportation and infrastructure for the American population today. . .

And in fact, if it had been a government project to develop the railroads for the benefit of all of us (rather than for the benefit of the wealthy to transport their products), we would have had a chance to KEEP UP with other developped countries, and have a PROPER railroad system all over the US today, maybe even a fast speed one!
 
Sure, dear. Can you live with 15% taken out of your monthly check?
Well, about 40% of people in America can't either.

So. . .are you willing to crawl up in a gutter and die? 40% of the US is not willing to do that either, especially not to "support" the conspicous spending habits of multi-millionaires!

Anyone who pays social security taxes is ALREADY paying about that much right now, so obviously they CAN live with that.

They should not live with that and would be far better off if they could keep their own money instead of giving it to the soon-to-be-broke-forever social security system.

And presently 40% of Americans are not crawling up a gutter and dying - they are just being ripped off by their government.

So just how do taxes from regular people support wealthy people? is congress giving their money to the rich? Then by all means tell congress to stop redistributing it. NO ONE'S money should be redistributed. It is their money after all and they should keep it.
 
Now, if you said, ANY INCOME above the basic "survival" income (let's say, $30,000 a year) would be taxed at that level. . that would make a little more sense.

one set of laws for people below one income level and a different set of laws for people above that income level is a gross distortion of fairness and a direct violation of the equal protection under the law that is the constitutional right of all people who live here.
 
Sounds wonderful. . . if you are also ready to go back to Jefferson's era's infrastructure. ..no more airports, no more highways, no more bridges, no more dams, no more national parks, no more public transportation, send the unemployed and the sick to the poor house. . .

But. . .wait a minute. . .all those people working in airport, or building planes, or building highways, or building dams, or working in national parks, or driving buses and maintaining railroads. . . where will THEY work?

What kind of jobs do you think will compensate for all those jobs lost and add more on top of it? Or do you think we'll just all be plenty busy hunting, growing our own food, cutting our own wood, and filling our pipes?

We have more knowledge of technology than Jeffersons peers did and they had more tan the people who lived a hundred years before them. Technology does advance.

But who had MORE of the technology and infrastructure that they could develop? They had a lot of infrastructure. They had roads and places to park vehicles and dams... and we have roads and places to park vehicles and dams...

If we go back to a constitutional respect like we used to have we will in no way lose airports and bridges and cutting edge technology, that idea is just crazy.
 
We have more knowledge of technology than Jeffersons peers did and they had more tan the people who lived a hundred years before them. Technology does advance.

But who had MORE of the technology and infrastructure that they could develop? They had a lot of infrastructure. They had roads and places to park vehicles and dams... and we have roads and places to park vehicles and dams...

If we go back to a constitutional respect like we used to have we will in no way lose airports and bridges and cutting edge technology, that idea is just crazy.

And without taxes. . .how do you plan to maintain and further develop the infrastructure?
We are ALREADY going down to the dump when compared with other developed countries in terms of infrastructure. . .

There are just projects that are too big for private enterpreneurs to take on. .and by the way, it is not government employees who work on those big projects. . .it is MANY private enterprises who CONTRACT with the government. And this provides PRIVATE SECTOR jobs, but mostly funded by our tax dollars!
 
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he’s fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He’s good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom…’

When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of taxes excisted back in Jeffersons days, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
 
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he’s fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He’s good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom…’

When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge=2 0Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of taxes excisted back in Jeffersons days, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.


Are we talking about the SAME Thomas Jefferson?

The guy who didn't like the land to be own by ONLY "older" brothers, but wanted it shared equally between all the brothers?

The guy who supported education of children to the point that he wanted the STATES TO OFFER FREE PUBLIC education?

The guy who, although an Anglican, wanted to assure that separation of State and Church would be a basic principle?

The guy who was Welcoming immigration as a way to "divide the land" held by the few "older brothers" to many more people (redistribution of land. . .thus of wealth?).

Jefferson, Madison, and company gradually laid out a plan for the constitution of Virginia involving several proposals to create greater freedoms and opportunities for less privileged males of European descent. Under existing British laws, the right to vote was predicated on a man's property holdings, and the right to inherit property was predicated on one's place in the family line. Thus, the ruling class of colonial Virginia was essentially a fraternity of eldest brothers.

Jefferson attacked this system by helping abolish primogeniture and entail, two long-standing traditions that directed inheritances to a single heir. Under the new system, a more equal distribution of lands was encouraged. Since only landowners were eligible to vote, an increase in the number of landowners would increase the number of eligible voters. Further, by making immigration a less complicated and exclusive process, new families arrived in droves and began to settle along the frontier. Eventually, Jefferson reasoned, these measures would help to efface the influence of the long-standing oligarchy of large landowners.

In these early reforms, Jefferson's underlying devotion to democracy is made plain. Believing in the virtues of talent above the virtues of association, he envisioned a society founded on meritocracy rather than on aristocracy. To fully achieve the dream of a meritocracy, Jefferson recognized the necessity of overhauling the existing educational system. Unique to his day, he believed that the state should take up the task of schooling in order to best cultivate the most talented minds from all social classes.

Jefferson's views on universal public education were unprecedented and far too progressive for his associates at the time. But while Jefferson's plans to create free public schools did not succeed at first, many of his proposals on education later became law, and as such laid the groundwork for the labor of his later life, the founding of the University of Virginia.

True to his Enlightenment values, Jefferson placed a higher value on the logic and reason of secular education and sound government than on the ancient demands of ecclesiastical tradition. Correspondingly, he wished to separate school and state initiatives from religious strictures. But such a task was not an easy one. Since its foundation, the Commonwealth of Virginia had been expressly aligned with the Anglican Church, which collected taxes from all citizens and exercised considerable control in matters of government. In addition, many feared that disestablishment would serve to weaken religious convictions while strengthening the state apparatus disproportionately.

Jefferson himself had been raised an Anglican, but wished to disestablish the overarching control of the Anglican Church in the interest of broader religious freedoms. As he famously wrote, "it does me no injury for my neighbor to say that there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." This view bespeaks Jefferson's commitment to religious toleration and his own open approach to spiritual questions.

In his unorthodox scrutiny of the life and works of Jesus, Jefferson displayed a willingness to examine Jesus as a moral rather than strictly devotional figure. Such a critical appraisal of Jesus placed Jefferson outside of the Christian mainstream and more firmly in the New England tradition of Unitarianism that would later produce such religious freethinkers as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau (See the SparkNote on Walden by Thoreau). These views would later cause many to cast aspersions on Jefferson's faith, depicting him as an infidel and even an atheist during the presidential campaign of 1800. As was his custom in the midst of a scandal, Jefferson elected to remain above the fray, declining to honor such accusations with a response.

In religion as in politics, Jefferson's bedrock principle was to leave independent men with the liberty to decide for themselves. Thus, the separation of church and state was a first principle. Over time, the tide of revolution began to work in this direction, and priorities of state began to take precedence over the prerogatives of the church. The first major step in this direction occurred in 1779, when all Anglican clergy were removed from the government payroll. Although the Church retained significant powers, the first dent had been made. Then, in 1786, Jefferson's Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom was approved by the Assembly, after a decade of fierce opposition from church leaders. From this point on, all official association between church and state was utterly severed. Further, civil liberties were expressly guaranteed to all citizens regardless of religious convictions or lack thereof.
 
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And Get this,,,

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, then WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does

If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

And we dont have any saying about it. If we Protest the pigs will place you under arrest. You know what Cops are? They dont really protect you. They protect the VIP politicans and the wealthy. Cops are no differant from Hitlers Nazi Gestapos. Theyre no differant then from Caesars Roman soldiers. Theyre no differant then from The Kings Royal knights. But they make just about the Middle Class income people. No they wouldnt dare turn against the government. Just like if you torture your dog sonner or later its gonna turn on you and bite the holy living hell outta you. You see,Cops are not the governments pets Theyre too loyal to them.They will never turn against the government. Just like Nazi Gestipos were too loyal to Adolph Hitler. No matter what Hitler did the Gestipos never disagree with him. Just like the Kings Royal Knights,,They serve the king well no matter what he does. Roman Soldiers were always too loyal to Caesar. They obeyed him and serve them well. So why should people think its wrong to cheer when an officer or deputy get killed on the line of fire? Why should we give 2 ****s about those 4 officers in Oakland in Washington who were killed in the line of fire. You ever noticed what kind of funerals Officers and Sheriff deputies get? They get a Parade like the President does. They get a 7 gun salute and they get over 1000 people attending to their funerals. But You are a peasent to the government. You wont get that kind of funeral cermony when you die. You wont even get a 7 gun salute. Did the officers and deputies ever give a **** about you when they write that traffic citation to you DID THEY CARE? No!!! So why should you give a **** bout them. But BOY When Obama or Biden comes to your town the Cops will protect them but theyre never protect you though. Wanna know who the true heroes are? They are Lovelle Mixon and Maurice Clemmons Those are the Heroes!! Those are Anti Government people.They hate the government. So why should i give a **** about this guy?
http://www.odmp.org/officer/39-corporal-theodore-dennis-wolf-sr
He never gave a **** about me
If Westboro bapist Church ever protest in front of an officers funeral IM JOINING! Cause the U.S SUPREME COURT Says its ok to make hate speech at peoples funerals.BY THE WAY this is Legal too
flag-burn

Cause the Supreme Court says its free speech
 
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