Progressives war on religion

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Dawkinsrocks

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I love this religious snobbery with one religion looking down on another. Don't you realise how ridiculous you all sound?

Gipper, I would not like to see sanyone burned at the stake unlike the church that toasted 800,000 people this way across Europe as punishment for the way they think.

Don't waste your time praying for me or anyone else. If the world is unfolding according to god's ludicrous plan he can hardly change that because you ask him to.

I would like to see religion banned from schools. If they taught your children voodoo as fact you would understand this point very clearly.

Oops, I nearly forgot, you look down on Voodoo because it is not the one true religion

Ha ha ha, that's your religion isn't it whoever you are right?
 

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A snob is someone who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him
or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect.
Given your attitude toward Religion and Religious people, you should know better than to accuse others of snobbery.
Gipper, I would not like to see sanyone burned at the stake unlike the church that toasted 800,000 people this way across Europe as punishment for the way they think.
So how would an "army" of anti-theists punish religious people for the way they think? Are you going to beat religion out of them, or what?
 

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It is shame you can only perceice war in these terms. Do you think a war on poverty means blasting poverty with missiles? If so you might support a war on terror but then who'd be crazy enough to declare actual warfare on a concept? Religion is a construct of man's brain. The best weapons to fight it are fact and reason. When they are deployed successfully religion dies.
 

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Religion is a construct of man's brain. The best weapons to fight it are fact and reason. When they are deployed successfully religion dies.
You did not answer my question.
Do you believe fact and reason are already on your side of the argument?
How would your anti-theist army 'successfully deploy' such 'weapons' against the religious population?
And when that doesn't work, what then?
 

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You did not answer my question.

hard to do with pithy tirades. not only that but as Carnegie would note, pithy tirades are a poor to make friends or influence people. but our leftie friends are in a crabby mood these days and prone to this sort of unidirectional conversation.
 

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I would make the teaching of religion in schools illegal. I would divorce all religion from state. I would deny any religious institution any influence in legal and ethical issues eg stem cell reseacrh or abortion. I would make the claim of healing by anyone other than a qualified medical doctor illegal. Are you getting the pricture or do you need me to draw one?
 

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I would make the teaching of religion in schools illegal. I would divorce all religion from state. I would deny any religious institution any influence in legal and ethical issues eg stem cell reseacrh or abortion. I would make the claim of healing by anyone other than a qualified medical doctor illegal. Are you getting the pricture or do you need me to draw one?


what luck ! all that is already in effect.
 

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I would make the teaching of religion in schools illegal. I would divorce all religion from state. I would deny any religious institution any influence in legal and ethical issues eg stem cell reseacrh or abortion. I would make the claim of healing by anyone other than a qualified medical doctor illegal.
I thought you were suggesting "facts and reason" as your weapons but instead you're talking about using force... Regardless, once those measures fail to eradicate theism, what then? More force?
Are you getting the pricture or do you need me to draw one?
We've all seen the brutal oppression that resulted from Communisms anti-theist crusades. If they couldn't eradicate religion in their own country by doing everything you suggest and more, what makes you believe your "army" will succeed where others have failed?
 

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I would make the teaching of religion in schools illegal. I would divorce all religion from state. I would deny any religious institution any influence in legal and ethical issues eg stem cell reseacrh or abortion. I would make the claim of healing by anyone other than a qualified medical doctor illegal. Are you getting the pricture or do you need me to draw one?

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

So sad that your Utopian and beloved tyrannical anti-Christian USSR failed, thanks to the Great One.

You would think leftists would learn from history...socialism ALWAYS fails.
 

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If I had replaced 'religion' with 'voodoo' in the statement you quote would you be describing me as totalitarian?

Or would your hypocrisy get the better of you?

In either case it would mean banning the indoctrination of children with BS but perhaps you are a fan of indoctrination.

You are clearly a victim of it
 
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In case you have been in borneo and don't know it - the progressives of this country have largely become anti-theists and they are waging a war on religion.

The standard tactic is to take every secular opportunity to make it harder for private citizens to practice their religion - mush like the tactics in the war on guns. No beuracratic rule is too small or too unrelated to be wielded as a weapon.

So what is the newest attack? Its not even that it is new - it is that the scope of it is so large that should they win they will have assumed the power to regulate every aspect of religious life in America.

IN a world of widening and often ridiculous concepts of discrimination the line between religious freedoms and discriminatory policies has been intentionally blurred in an attempt to drive religion from the market. If progressives had their way you could practice whatever religion you wanted as long as you did it in the privacy of your own bedroom, er, I mean closet, er, I mean basement, well you get the point.

I admit I find it hard to balance real issues of discrimination from real issues of religious freedom but in this case it is easy to see the truth.

For a long time churches were allowed to hire whoever they thought best for religious positions but were required to use secular standards in the hiring of non-religious positions. The line was often crossed by those persecuting churches in making sure that they used secular principles in hiring for what are marginally secular positions.

But today the present administration filled with anti-theists at every level is fighting the battle to allow the courts to decide on every matter of faith. The courts could decide if the Catholic church was in error for not hiring the Jehova's Witness as a priest. The courts could decide if the curriculum of a religious school required a teacher who understood that religion or not - and they would make that decision despite the likelihood of having no understanding itself. The courts would decide if internal complaints were brought to the elders or brought to a secular court...the potential list is endless. Churches that stood firm without compromising their principles would be shut out of public life at best, forced to close their doors on average, and their members jailed at worst. Churches that caved would cease to resemble churches at all.

The progressive administration could have demonstrated itself to be a pluralistic minded movement but instead choose to take an aggressive stand never before seen on these shores by arguing in court that churches do not get to choose their own leadership or members.

Link to article here:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/05/a-religious-clash/
You have no evidence any democrat govt has made it difficult to practise your religion. That is a blatant.

Your problem is the left are now surfacing from the invisible shield that stopped them criticising. Republican godbothering government.

Now the party is over and they are getting their voices. They aren't stopping anything. They are stating the facts and the obvious that your silly god rubbish is totally false.

Of course you will interpret it as an attack. Thats the only answer you have even though it's wrong.
Religion once held a false sense of control and power. Not any more.
 
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