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GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus

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How is Scott McClellan's betrayal of the President worse than the GOP leaders betrayal of GOP members and their attempts at destroying conservatism?

Dole frets over McClellan, yet happily endorses McCain? Newt sitting on a couch with Pelosi doing an environmental commercial?

http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/05/31/now-senator-dole-about-those-gop-leaders/

you were making sense up to the McCain. then you really threw me for a loop by getting riled over a tv commercial.

conservatives owned environmentalism pre-reagan
 

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How is Scott McClellan's betrayal of the President worse than the GOP leaders betrayal of GOP members and their attempts at destroying conservatism?

Dole frets over McClellan, yet happily endorses McCain? Newt sitting on a couch with Pelosi doing an environmental commercial?

http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/05/31/now-senator-dole-about-those-gop-leaders/

I do not think it is worse. We voted them in, and they betrayed us. McClellan was hired and sold out for $$$. McClellan was only held to basic honor. The RINO's in government promised us conservative values then caved, after they got our votes.

One thing I can say for the Dems is they do listen to their liberal base. I wish it was the other way around
 

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you were making sense up to the McCain. then you really threw me for a loop by getting riled over a tv commercial.

conservatives owned environmentalism pre-reagan
No. I am all for conservation. I am not for destroying our economy, and our livelihood based on faulty theory.

Reagan did not permit the democrats to define the terms or the issues. He did not permit them to control him.

This group has.

Global warming is a hoax, and the democrats are going to destroy us over it, and the republicans are going to not only let it happen, but they are willing participants. Watch closely the Werner/Liberman bill they are going to try and pass next week.
 

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I do not think it is worse. We voted them in, and they betrayed us. McClellan was hired and sold out for $$$. McClellan was only held to basic honor. The RINO's in government promised us conservative values then caved, after they got our votes.

One thing I can say for the Dems is they do listen to their liberal base. I wish it was the other way around

The liberal base, unlike the conservative base, is very loud and very demanding. The liberal politicians have no choice but to listen.

It's high time conservatives do the same.
 

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No. I am all for conservation. I am not for destroying our economy, and our livelihood based on faulty theory.
you are hysterical over what exactly? where is our economy, and our livelihood being destroyed?
Stormy said:
Reagan did not permit the democrats to define the terms or the issues. He did not permit them to control him.
I was unaware Democrats tried to control Reagan. Reagan, was out of control all on his own...
reagan said:
facts are stupid things" "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." "The United States gives terrorists no rewards and no guarantees. We make no concessions; we make no deals."
--President Reagan, June 30, 1985
"The charge has been made that the United States has shipped weapons to Iran as ransom payment for the release of American hostages in Lebanon, that the United States undercut its allies and secretly violated American policy against trafficking with terrorists.... Those charges are utterly false.... We did not--repeat--did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we."
--President Reagan, television address, November 13, 1986

"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."
--Reagan in a television address is forced to acknowledge "the facts and the evidence" uncovered the Tower Commission, March 4, 1987

Stormy said:
This group has.

Global warming is a hoax, and the democrats are going to destroy us over it, and the republicans are going to not only let it happen, but they are willing participants. Watch closely the Werner/Liberman bill they are going to try and pass next week.
sane people do not deny global warming exists. sane people are arguing over the details.

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May 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)

Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM

What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"

When: 10 AM, Monday May 19

Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC

Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not "skeptics."

CONTACT: Audrey Mullen, +1-703-548-1160, for the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

/PRNewswire-USNewswire -- May 15/

SOURCE Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+...ecting+Global+Warming+Hypothesis/3654512.html
 

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May 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)

Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM

What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"

When: 10 AM, Monday May 19

Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC

Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
we have moved from global warming to human-caused global warming.
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Stormy said:
It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not "skeptics."

CONTACT: Audrey Mullen, +1-703-548-1160, for the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

/PRNewswire-USNewswire -- May 15/

SOURCE Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+...ecting+Global+Warming+Hypothesis/3654512.html
we could post dueling petitions til the end of time...let us cut to the facts.

can we agree on facts here...
National Geographic News ...and leave the causes for part 2?
 

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wow...

really-wow...
Arthur B. Robinson is founder, president and professor of chemistry at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, where he conducts research on protein chemistry and on nutrition and predictive and preventive medicine. He also sells the Robinson Curriculum, which is a self-taught home school curriculum for grammar school children through high school.[1][2]

"Teach your children...to acquire superior knowledge as did many...in the days before socialism in education."

He is an avowed Christian.

He is currently the editor and publisher of the newsletter Access to Energy[3], which was originated by Petr Beckmann.

With his son, Noah E. Robinson, Ph.D., Arthur Robinson authored the Molecular Clocks: Deamidation of Asparaginyl and Glutaminyl Residues in Peptides and Proteins [4] which includes an exhaustive review of the scientific literature on deamidation; His work is still discussed in later publications on this subject, for example [5] Robinson and coworkers formulated the amide molecular clock hypothesis in 1970. [6]

An American Spectator article concerning Dr. Robinson's unique history.[7] includes discussion of his association with Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling (Chemistry, 1954 and Peace, 1962), who referred to Robinson as "my principal and most valued collaborator." However, Robinson's research revealed "highly embarrassing" results proving conclusively that Pauling's data on vitamin C was false. According to the article:

A sharp divergence of political opinion between the two men also became apparent. A few years after he won the Nobel Peace Prize, Pauling also won the Lenin Peace Prize. He told Robinson that he was more proud of the Soviet than the Norwegian award. For his part, in the spring of 1978 Robinson had given a speech at the Cato Institute, then in San Francisco, deploring the government funding of science as harmful to the independence that is essential to scientific inquiry [7]

Robinson is the senior author of the Oregon Petition, a petition of over 31,000 self-described scientists or engineers (in 2008), intended to show that a "scientific consensus" does not exist on the subject of global warming.[8] Robinson is a signatory to A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism, a petition produced by the Discovery Institute that expresses skepticism about the ability of natural selection to account for the complexity of life, and encouraging careful examination of the evidence for "Darwinian theory".
 

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The liberal base, unlike the conservative base, is very loud and very demanding. The liberal politicians have no choice but to listen.

It's high time conservatives do the same.
That might work, but I don’t want to look pathetic like the left does. And I wouldn’t want to degrade the country like they do or burn flags or any of that gross stuff. Couldn’t we just do a sit in? Avoid grapes for a while?

My favorite is what I already do, I don’t vote for RINO’s, I don’t spend my money on anything that will make a liberal rich. I don’t buy their books, see their films or eat their salad dressing. If every conservative did what I do someone would want our Votes and money enough to listen.


I could scream I am moving to Italy if Obama gets elected. Susan Sarandon said she would do that if McCain gets elected. So far this is the first great thing I can think of that would happen if McCain got elected. I am "almost" rooting for him now. Oh how I hate that woman.

Maybe the best strategy to get Conservatives to back McCain is if all the radical weirdo’s on the left. Michael Moore, Susan Sarandon, Barbra Streisand and the gang all promised to move away if McCain gets elected. The conservatives might come out in droves.. Just to be rid of them.
 

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May 15, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)

Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM

What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"

When: 10 AM, Monday May 19

Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC

Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not "skeptics."

CONTACT: Audrey Mullen, +1-703-548-1160, for the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

/PRNewswire-USNewswire -- May 15/

SOURCE Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+...ecting+Global+Warming+Hypothesis/3654512.html

WOW what a great post, thank you so much. I am from Oregon and I am SHOCKED that we have that many people in our state that can actually think!

Are you from Oregon ?

I can not wait to take this one to work :) your the best stormy!!!!!!
 

GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus

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WOW what a great post, thank you so much. I am from Oregon and I am SHOCKED that we have that many people in our state that can actually think!

Are you from Oregon ?

I can not wait to take this one to work :) your the best stormy!!!!!!
work...

uh oh

Arthur B. Robinson is founder, president and professor of chemistry at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, where he conducts research on protein chemistry and on nutrition and predictive and preventive medicine. He also sells the Robinson Curriculum, which is a self-taught home school curriculum for grammar school children through high school.[1][2]

"Teach your children...to acquire superior knowledge as did many...in the days before socialism in education."

He is an avowed Christian.

He is currently the editor and publisher of the newsletter Access to Energy[3], which was originated by Petr Beckmann.

With his son, Noah E. Robinson, Ph.D., Arthur Robinson authored the Molecular Clocks: Deamidation of Asparaginyl and Glutaminyl Residues in Peptides and Proteins [4] which includes an exhaustive review of the scientific literature on deamidation; His work is still discussed in later publications on this subject, for example [5] Robinson and coworkers formulated the amide molecular clock hypothesis in 1970. [6]

An American Spectator article concerning Dr. Robinson's unique history.[7] includes discussion of his association with Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling (Chemistry, 1954 and Peace, 1962), who referred to Robinson as "my principal and most valued collaborator." However, Robinson's research revealed "highly embarrassing" results proving conclusively that Pauling's data on vitamin C was false. According to the article:

A sharp divergence of political opinion between the two men also became apparent. A few years after he won the Nobel Peace Prize, Pauling also won the Lenin Peace Prize. He told Robinson that he was more proud of the Soviet than the Norwegian award. For his part, in the spring of 1978 Robinson had given a speech at the Cato Institute, then in San Francisco, deploring the government funding of science as harmful to the independence that is essential to scientific inquiry [7]

Robinson is the senior author of the Oregon Petition, a petition of over 31,000 self-described scientists or engineers (in 2008), intended to show that a "scientific consensus" does not exist on the subject of global warming.[8] Robinson is a signatory to A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism, a petition produced by the Discovery Institute that expresses skepticism about the ability of natural selection to account for the complexity of life, and encouraging careful examination of the evidence for "Darwinian theory".
 

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Thank you for the brief bio of Robinson. I happen to be very familiar with him - and his incredible home-school program.

You apparently believe there to be negative information about him contained within. Please enlighten us.
 
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GaiusJuliusCaesarAugustus

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here is a great quote
"Teach your children...to acquire superior knowledge as did many...in the days before socialism in education."
...too bad it is thrown away for this...
The Discovery Institute is a U.S. think tank based in Seattle, Washington, best known for its advocacy of intelligent design and its Teach the Controversy campaign to teach creationist anti-evolution beliefs in United States public high school science courses.[1][2][3][4][5] A federal court, along with the majority of scientific organizations, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science, say the Institute has manufactured the controversy they want to teach by promoting a false perception that evolution is "a theory in crisis", through incorrectly claiming that it is the subject of wide controversy and debate within the scientific community.[6][7][8] In 2005, a federal court ruled that the Discovery Institute pursues "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions",[9] and the institute's manifesto, the Wedge strategy, describes a religious goal: to "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".[10][11]
..so a christian leader who lies to further an agenda.

sigh

more lies and deception...
Biologic Institute

Main article: Biologic Institute

In 2005 the Discovery Institute provided the funding to set up the Biologic Institute in Redmond and the Fremont district of Seattle, Washington, headed by Douglas Axe. The Biologic Institute claims to conduct research into intelligent design in response to one of the primary criticisms of intelligent design, that there is no valid research conducted by the scientific community on the topic. According to Axe, the lab's main objective "is to show that the design perspective can lead to better science", and will "contribute substantially to the scientific case for intelligent design".[30] Biologic's staff consists of "at least three researchers" (Axe, the senior researcher; Zoology PhD Ann Gauger, who like Axe is a signatory to the Discovery Institute's anti-evolution manifesto A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism; Brendan Dixon, a software developer).[30] In keeping with the Discovery Institute's October 2006 statement that intelligent design research is being conducted by the institute in secret to avoid the scrutiny of the scientific community,[31][32] both Axe and Discovery Institute spokesperson Rob Crowther portray it as a "separate entity" despite being funded by the Discovery Institute.[30]

Previously serving as a director of the institute was George Weber, who is also a member of the local chapter of the creationist group Reasons to Believe. In an interview he stated that the lab is a wing of the Discovery Institute and that their goal is to "challenge the scientific community on naturalism" and "What we are doing is necessary to move ID along" which lead to his dismissal from the board of the institute.[30][33]

PZ Myers likens the Biologic Institute's design research program to cargo cults, with "Intelligent Design creationists pretend[ing] that they're doing science."[34]
 
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