The gun lobby is deranged

[Gipper]

Well...you know....like uh.....like.....you know....its all about those damn guns.......

So says the lib MSM and lib politicians.....and apparently libs believe it while ignoring the real causes.....

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html#ixzz2ISXgRF7N

 

[Lagboltz]

^^^ Yeah, along with better gun regulations we should do something about those meds. It looks like a lot of the killers were on Zoloft, Luvox, Ritalin, Paxil, etc. You might be right; we should get rid of meds too since they seem to be a common occurrence with those guys.

 

[dogtowner]

^^^ Yeah, along with better gun regulations we should do something about those meds. It looks like a lot of the killers were on Zoloft, Luvox, Ritalin, Paxil, etc. You might be right; we should get rid of meds too since they seem to be a common occurrence with those guys.

more correctly when they cease taking them they resume being full bore looney.

 

[Lagboltz]

more correctly when they cease taking them they resume being full bore looney.

I was joking, but the Harvard Health Publications says, The federal government’s health statisticians figure that about one in every 10 Americans takes an antidepressant.

That's going to curb a whole lot of gun sales.

 

[dogtowner]

I was joking, but the Harvard Health Publications says, The federal government’s health statisticians figure that about one in every 10 Americans takes an antidepressant.

That's going to curb a whole lot of gun sales.

supposedly mental health people can assess whether a person is a danger to himself or others.
now if only they would report this to the appropriate authorities as they are required to do...

 

[Gipper]

^^^ Yeah, along with better gun regulations we should do something about those meds. It looks like a lot of the killers were on Zoloft, Luvox, Ritalin, Paxil, etc. You might be right; we should get rid of meds too since they seem to be a common occurrence with those guys.

Can you comprehend this??? Rhetorical question....if only you and your kind could rather than believing whatever the state tells you to believe.

Gun Control: Myths and Realities

By
David Lampo
May 13, 2000
The number of well-publicized public shootings during the past few years, especially the tragedy at Columbine High School, has re-energized the gun control movement. As a show of strength, a coalition of gun control groups has organized a “Million Mom March” to be held in Washington, D.C. on Mother’s Day, an event designed to stir up emotions rather than promote rational thought. And when one looks at the facts about gun control, it’s easy to see why the anti-gun lobby relies on emotion rather than logic to make its case.
Think you know the facts about gun control? If your only source of information is the mainstream media, what you think you know may not be correct. Take the quiz below and test your knowledge.
1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.
False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn’t know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes “children” up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.
2. Gun shows are responsible for a large number of firearms falling into the hands of criminals.
False. Contrary to President Clinton’s claims, there is no “gun show loophole.” All commercial arms dealers at gun shows must run background checks, and the only people exempt from them are the small number of non-commercial sellers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, at most 2 percent of guns used by criminals are purchased at gun shows, and most of those were purchased legally by people who passed background checks.
3. The tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the deficiencies of current gun control laws.
False. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated close to 20 firearms laws in amassing their cache of weapons (not to mention the law against murder), so it seems rather dubious to argue that additional laws might have prevented this tragedy. The two shotguns and rifle used by Harris and Klebold were purchased by a girlfriend who would have passed a background check, and the TEC-9 handgun used by them was already illegal.
4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don’t.
True. The 31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.
5. Waiting periods lower crime rates.
False. Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that “waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides.”
6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.
False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel “have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.” A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.
The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by history and by reason. Let’s hope more people are catching on. http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities

 

[Iolo2]

Gun control - absolute reality: No guns no gun murders. Those who sell and encourage the sale of guns are responsible for every murder committed with them. Why does the US have four times more murders than the UK and six times Germany per head? As you know, 'Israel' is a nazi occupation and murders vast numbers, particularly children, and is irrelevant to civilized countries and Switzerland keeps guns safe in armouries. Only gun-nuts support murder.

 

[dogtowner]

Gun control - absolute reality: No guns no gun murders. Those who sell and encourage the sale of guns are responsible for every murder committed with them. Why does the US have four times more murders than the UK and six times Germany per head? As you know, 'Israel' is a nazi occupation and murders vast numbers, particularly children, and is irrelevant to civilized countries and Switzerland keeps guns safe in armouries. Only gun-nuts support murder.

if by armories you mean peoples homes then you would be correct on that piont but the.rest is silly ranting.

 

[GenSeneca]

I think you are so much in bed with Ayn Rand, that you can't understand what others are saying or thinking. You keep interpreting others in terms of your obsession.

Do you believe you have the "right" to initiate force against others?

 

[GenSeneca]

No guns no gun murders.

The prohibition of alcohol and the war on drugs are two prime examples that expose your belief as wishful thinking.

 

[Gipper]

The prohibition of alcohol and the war on drugs are two prime examples that expose your belief as wishful thinking.

Well...'wishful thinking' is putting it much too kindly. It is absolute and complete stupidity, but the state has brainwashed many and many are not intelligent enough to notice.

It is frightening the number of people who will gladly accept the tyranny of the state.

 

[Iolo2]

Well...'wishful thinking' is putting it much too kindly. It is absolute and complete stupidity, but the state has brainwashed many and many are not intelligent enough to notice.

It is frightening the number of people who will gladly accept the tyranny of the state.

Better than the murderous tyranny of the brainwashed child-killing gunmen, surely?

 

[Lagboltz]

Do you believe you have the "right" to initiate force against others?

Yes in some circumstances. What comes to mind is if somebody is harming me, someone else, or society.

 

[BigRob]

Yes in some circumstances. What comes to mind is if somebody is harming me, someone else, or society.

Wouldn't that just be self defense against someone else initiating force against you? Hence it would not really seem to be you that would initiate anything in this scenario.

 

[Lagboltz]

Wouldn't that just be self defense against someone else initiating force against you? Hence it would not really seem to be you that would initiate anything in this scenario.

I don't see how it is self defense if I come to the aid of somebody I don't know. Another example suppose I use force against someone who is planning to commit suicide. Am I violating his rights when I think suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem?

What is your point in all this Ayn Rand stuff? You guys keep trying to pin me down on some abstraction. Can you tell me where you are trying to go with this.