The Night They Dumbed Our Country Down

[FatherTime]

Did you support or oppose going to war in Iraq?

Oppose!

 

[Openmind]

Another statement that has no real bearing in reality if you truly examine what was proposed. Maybe I should just start arguing "you just want John Boehner to fail", as if that actually means anything.



Again, you show you don't know what you are talking about.

From Wiki:
Senate — $46 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $11.5 billion for mass transit and rail projects; $4.6 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers; $5 billion for public housing improvements; $6.4 billion for clean and drinking water projects. (Total: $98.5 billion)

House — $47 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $12 billion for mass transit, including $7.5 billion to buy transit equipment such as buses; and $31 billion to build and repair federal buildings and other public infrastructures. ($124.5 billion)

Is your assertion seriously that a 3% reduction in infrastructure spending had some dramatic impact...or that this was some wild swing that the Republicans gutted? The numbers don't back up your assertion. (There were indeed areas where the shifts were far more dramatic...infrastructure was not one of them however)

Additionally, you need to look within Obama's own Administration to find true drivers of tax cuts being included in this legislation.

Obama himself campaigned promising to "cut taxes for 95% of working Americans" and Christina Romer who was the chairwoman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisers conducted a lot of empirical research that tax cuts stimulate. She pushed heavily for them as well.

And Obama DID cut taxes on 95% of Americans! Just not on the most wealthy... who really don't need anymore tax cuts.

What do you think the checks people received in the mail in 2009 were? What do you think the tax cut on FICA was all about?

 

[FatherTime]

Perhaps you are "kidding" that Limbaugh is my party leader?



What Mitch McConnell has actually stated is that he opposed the President's agenda...big shock seeing as how one is a Liberal Democrat and one is a Conservative Republican.

You act as if all legislation that comes before the Senate is some great piece of legislation that automatically ought to be passed. If there is a fundamental disagreement over legislation, it doesn't make one side obstructionist, it simply makes a disagreement over the legislation.

Except that Repubs obstruct a lot of things that were their idea in the first place. heh

 

[Openmind]

Except that Repubs obstruct a lot of things that were their idea in the first place. heh

I find it so ironical that Rob calls Obama a "LIBERAL Democrat," when he is being accused by the LEFT to be too far to the Right. . . and he is actually right at the center!

 

[GenSeneca]

Oppose!

So when Bush was pushing to go to war with Iraq, you wanted him to succeed or fail in his effort...

See where this is going?

I liked BigRobs comment about how he should argue that 'you just want Boehner to fail', such arguments really don't mean anything.

 

[Openmind]

So when Bush was pushing to go to war with Iraq, you wanted him to succeed or fail in his effort...

See where this is going?

I liked BigRobs comment about how he should argue that 'you just want Boehner to fail', such arguments really don't mean anything.

When he was "pushing" to go to war in Iraq!

That's a dumb question! OBVIOUSLY most rational wanted him to fail with his illegal attempt to invade Iraq!

But, once he got us into that mess, everyone rallied around the troops. . .so we wanted THE TROOPS to succeed!

 

[BigRob]

And Obama DID cut taxes on 95% of Americans! Just not on the most wealthy... who really don't need anymore tax cuts.

What do you think the checks people received in the mail in 2009 were? What do you think the tax cut on FICA was all about?

I'm not sure I ever argued that he didn't initially carry through on his promise to cut taxes (in some form) to 95% of working Americans.

As for what I think those "checks" were, I think that was him carrying through on that issue...

The point is that it was not some lone Republican idea that taxes need to be cut as part of the Stimulus.

 

[BigRob]

Except that Repubs obstruct a lot of things that were their idea in the first place. heh

I am pretty sure I know the cases you are discussing here, but can you be a little more specific so I can ensure I address all the ones you are discussing here?

 

[BigRob]

I find it so ironical that Rob calls Obama a "LIBERAL Democrat," when he is being accused by the LEFT to be too far to the Right. . . and he is actually right at the center!

What makes him "right at the center" in your opinion? Was Bush a Centrist or a Liberal as well in your opinion because the far right didn't like him all that much either?

 

[FatherTime]

So when Bush was pushing to go to war with Iraq, you wanted him to succeed or fail in his effort...

See where this is going?

I liked BigRobs comment about how he should argue that 'you just want Boehner to fail', such arguments really don't mean anything.

No that's a lot of ASSUME and when you assume (you probably know the rest)

If you don't know how invested Boehner and Cantor and McConnell are in wanting Obama to fail, you're in dream land.

 

[dogtowner]

No that's a lot of ASSUME and when you assume (you probably know the rest)

If you don't know how invested Boehner and Cantor and McConnell are in wanting Obama to fail, you're in dream land.

they certainly are invested in preventing further damage from this disaster of an administration. it fails on its own but at least someone is trying to stop the bleeding.

 

[FatherTime]

Strange, they weren't interested in stopping the biggest financial collapse since the great depression brought on by Bush economic policies. As they weren't concerned about the deficit when his admin turned a surplus into a freefall.

 

[Gipper]

No that's a lot of ASSUME and when you assume (you probably know the rest)

If you don't know how invested Boehner and Cantor and McConnell are in wanting Obama to fail, you're in dream land.

Wanting him to fail...WTF is that? He has failed by any objective analysis.

If BO were an R, his popularity poll would be single digits...but since he is a Marxist, the press and folks like you love him...unconditionally.

I know the Ds never want an R POTUS to fail. Right?

My thought is the Rs should have passed BO's stupid, ineffective and costly Jobs Plan. But, in so doing got their piece of flesh.

 

[FatherTime]

Wanting him to fail...WTF is that? He has failed by any objective analysis.

If BO were an R, his popularity poll would be single digits...but since he is a Marxist, the press and folks like you love him...unconditionally.

I know the Ds never want an R POTUS to fail. Right?

My thought is the Rs should have passed BO's stupid, ineffective and costly Jobs Plan. But, in so doing got their piece of flesh.

Let's see, his foreign policy has been amazing. His work for rights of gays and women has gotten further than any other president. He passed at least the semblance of a health care plan even though it was watered down beyond belief by the Repubs.

The true poll is that 41% approve of him, only 9% at this time approve of Congress.

But go look at the frequency of filibusters if you really don't understand that the Repubs in this administration have obstructed exponentially compared to any other congress in history.

 

[FatherTime]

By the way Gipper, the economic honor of this country started going downhill with Reagan.

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