Updated McCain flip flop list

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Yep here they are, all 61 documented McCain flip flops. It's going to take 2 posts but I wouldn't want to leave anything from the old "Songbird" out. How can anyone with a straight face even suggest this man has an ounce of integrity? BTW, if you question any of these flip flops just go to the link, further clarification is available on an individual flip flop basis.


National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.

8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.

16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

17. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

Domestic Policy

19. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

22. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

25. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

Economic Policy

31. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.

33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.

40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.

42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

Immigration Policy

44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

47. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.



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Politics and Associations

53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)

54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16124.html#more-16124
 
Do you ever read any news "source" that ISN'T a Libtard propaganda factory?

BTW, since you obviously didn't know it, Steve Benen is an IDIOT.
 
Do you ever read any news "source" that ISN'T a Libtard propaganda factory?

BTW, since you obviously didn't know it, Steve Benen is an IDIOT.

are you saying they are not true? attacking the source does not show that anything posted was not correct. I just off the bad the Wiretap issue is one I could take issue with, as anyone who has paid any attention knows that the Bill Signed....was not the same Bill that was First put out, as both sides made Compromises...there is nothing wrong with being against a bill and then supporting it later when it is changed to address your issues... thats not a Flip Flop, its called doing your job....I said the same for Obama on this issue...But I will state I still dont agree with the law. And I hold them to account for that, but not for fliping there vote...when the fact is what they where voting for changed.

Changing your mind is not always a bad thing,

As a wise man said when attacked by a Reporter for changing his mind on a issue once said.

"When new information and facts are given to me that show I was wrong, I change my view....what do you do sir?" Ok thats not word for word but close.

that said McCain of 2000 is hard to see in the McCain of 2008, and that makes me a bit sad, as I realy liked McCain 2000...2008 is lossing some luster for me.
 
are you saying they are not true? attacking the source does not show that anything posted was not correct.

This type of rhetoric is yet another example of the selective editing and reporting style that Libtards like Poopeye love to bandy about as if it meant something. Remember his VERY carefully edited attack video from a few days ago? Same shi(r)t, different day. Stirring headlines and no substance or context. It's all over Moron.org and The Huffingbiotch Post*, and the only people who believe anything from either of those sources is a prime candidate for an all expenses paid permanent vacation in a padded room and a custom fit 'special' white jacket with extra long sleeves!

that said McCain of 2000 is hard to see in the McCain of 2008, and that makes me a bit sad, as I realy liked McCain 2000...2008 is lossing some luster for me.

No argument there. Frankly, I've NEVER been much of a McCain supporter, I always thought he was just a bit too good at working with the "other side of the aisle" for his own good, and compromising where there was no need, or logical reason to do so, but since he's the "last man standing" on the GOP side, and the DNC's heir apparent is wholly unqualified for the position, it's not like I have much choice.

* What's really funny is that I can remember when Huffingbiotch claimed to be a Conservative! Isn't it amazing how females are Liberals when they're young and on their own, and Conservative when they're married (at least when they're married TO a Conservative), and right back to being a Liberal when they get kicked to the curb for being a raving Biotch? A primary argument for the repeal of the 17th Amendment if ever there was one, but that's a rant for another time.
 
This type of rhetoric is yet another example of the selective editing and reporting style that Libtards like Poopeye love to bandy about as if it meant something. Remember his VERY carefully edited attack video from a few days ago? Same shi(r)t, different day. Stirring headlines and no substance or context. It's all over Moron.org and The Huffingbiotch Post*, and the only people who believe anything from either of those sources is a prime candidate for an all expenses paid permanent vacation in a padded room and a custom fit 'special' white jacket with extra long sleeves!



No argument there. Frankly, I've NEVER been much of a McCain supporter, I always thought he was just a bit too good at working with the "other side of the aisle" for his own good, and compromising where there was no need, or logical reason to do so, but since he's the "last man standing" on the GOP side, and the DNC's heir apparent is wholly unqualified for the position, it's not like I have much choice.

* What's really funny is that I can remember when Huffingbiotch claimed to be a Conservative! Isn't it amazing how females are Liberals when they're young and on their own, and Conservative when they're married (at least when they're married TO a Conservative), and right back to being a Liberal when they get kicked to the curb for being a raving Biotch? A primary argument for the repeal of the 17th Amendment if ever there was one, but that's a rant for another time.

You can not agree with the source but McCain has seemed to changed views alot, and on at least a large amount of those listed, I would not be able to say there was anything wrong about what was stated. And Do you know how many 1000 posts just like that I had to see about Kerry?

Just because you don't like the source, does not mean its not true. Like I have to say every now and then...some things are true even when Bush Believes them ( its not that often ....:) )

And I was more Conservative, and am now more Liberal now that i am older ( though a bit more Moderate then for a bit.) does that have anything to do with my Gender or married status? no..
 
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OK let's assume that the first one of those flip flops is representative of them all. Let's analyze the first one and see if it holds any water.


1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

This is how the source details that:

Well firstly I had a hard time finding any quote on the site that supported the idea that McCain first was for the president breaking any law. They did post many quotes where he said the pres. should not break the law.

Since they did such a poor job of documenting their case we will have to presume what they meant and do their job for them.

Ok first the flop:

The site quotes M several times in saying that the Pres should not have the power to surveil Americans on American soil and that the pres should obey the law.



Now the flip:

They tried to quote but didn't post any qood quotes of M saying that the Pres should be allowed to surveil Americans. Instead what they demonstrated is that the wire-tapps that were being discussed were all off of American soil and were considered to be legal by M.

"Asked specifically if the president has the authority to sidestep the law and conduct surveillance on American soil without a warrant, McCain said, “There are some areas where the statutes don’t apply, such as in the surveillance of overseas communications. Where they do apply, however, I think that presidents have the obligation to obey and enforce laws that are passed by Congress and signed into law by the president, no matter what the situation is.”

They posted no good quotes. You really have to look at it for yourself. M consistently says that the Pres was lawful and that he needs to follow the law. M makes the distinction between actions off of US soil and actions on US soil, while apparently for the creator of the website that distinction is completely lost.

The closest M comes to being inconsistent is when he says unlike the current occupant of the Oval Office, [he] felt compelled to follow the law when protecting U.S. national security. The implication is that the president may have tapped lines of Americans on American soil. But since the pres never did that and M never says he did that, this must have been a theoretical complaint.

I bet the rest on the list are all as shoddy.
 
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