What makes Abraham Lincoln so special?

[DemandCurve]

What makes Abraham Lincoln so special?

Just a question.

 

[USMC the Almighty]

He worked tirelessly and ultimately preserved the Union, emancipated slaves in Confederacy (which led to the 13th Amendment), and he had an usually large hand in the military dealings of what Civil War. That is, he was quite vocal to Grant about military strategies and policy.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

What makes Abraham Lincoln so special?

Just a question.

The main thing that makes him special is the propaganda in our public school system. He is not what he appears to be.

Contrary to popular belief, Lincoln wasn't fighting to end slavery. Lincoln was a tyrant fighting for his political legacy:

"The U.S. was the only country in the entire world during that time where war was associated with emancipation. The British and Spanish empires, and the French and Danish colonies all chose the peaceful route to emancipation, which occurred in Argentina, Columbia, Chile, all of Central America, Mexico, Bolivia, Uruguay, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, and elsewhere prior to Lincoln’s war. Brazil ended slavery peacefully after the war. Ninety-four percent of all the slaves that were brought to the Western Hemisphere were brought to these countries; about 6 percent ended up in the United States. The former group was emancipated peacefully. Lincoln never utilized his legendary political skills to do what the rest of the world did with regard to slavery, and end it peacefully."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo32.html

And a hypocrite:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.


"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.

More at:

http://www.sobran.com/columns/1999-2001/001219.shtml

 

[AugustineJurnior]

What makes Abraham Lincoln so special?

Just a question.

He worked from basic reason and elemental conscience to show Slavery is wrong and there is no way to justify it. And even more important he saw the evil of the Abolition moverment, which increased slavery !

He contends that whatever community wants slaves has a right to have them. So they have if it is not a wrong. But if it is a wrong, he cannot say people have a right to do wrong.

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If A. can prove, however conclusively, that he may, of right, enslave B.—why may not B. snatch the same argument, and prove equally, that he may enslave A?—

You say A. is white, and B. is black. It is color, then; the lighter, having the right to enslave the darker? Take care. By this rule, you are to be a slave to the first man you meet, with a fairer skin than your own.

You do not mean color exactly?—You mean whites are intellectually the superiors to blacks, and therefore have the right to enslave them? Take care again. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with an intellect superior to your own.

But say you, it is a question of interest; and, if you can make it your interest, you have the right to enslave another. Very well. And if he can make it his interest, he has the right to enslave you.

 

[AugustineJurnior]

The main thing that makes him special is the propaganda in our public school system. He is not what he appears to be.

Contrary to popular belief, Lincoln wasn't fighting to end slavery. Lincoln was a tyrant fighting for his political legacy:

"The U.S. was the only country in the entire world during that time where war was associated with emancipation. The British and Spanish empires, and the French and Danish colonies all chose the peaceful route to emancipation, which occurred in Argentina, Columbia, Chile, all of Central America, Mexico, Bolivia, Uruguay, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, and elsewhere prior to Lincoln’s war. Brazil ended slavery peacefully after the war. Ninety-four percent of all the slaves that were brought to the Western Hemisphere were brought to these countries; about 6 percent ended up in the United States. The former group was emancipated peacefully. Lincoln never utilized his legendary political skills to do what the rest of the world did with regard to slavery, and end it peacefully."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo32.html

And a hypocrite:

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.


"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.

More at:

http://www.sobran.com/columns/1999-2001/001219.shtml

These statements are all wrong and after almost 7 years studying Lincoln I have to answer this foolishness.

1) Linocln tried from the time of the trip to New ORleans at 19 to end slavery. and the same Britain you point to was not at all for ending slavery, not at all . The First version of the Declaration of Independence shows that
Jefferson talking about the King of England
He has waged cruel War against human Nature itself, violating its most sacred Rights of Life and Liberty in the Persons of a distant People who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into Slavery in another Hemisphere, or to incur miserable Death, in their Transportation thither.

2) This statement is stupid. OF course the nation came first. He often said you cannot eliminate slvaery by law you have to change peoples' minds or it all fails. His view of the Constitution (and this is the view of Frederick Douglass) is the opposite of yours "What he refused to accept was the expansion of slavery because he wanted the institution to be confined and thereby placed on a path to extinction. Such had been the will of the Founding Fathers, as Lincoln repeatedly argued in the 1858 debates with Stephen A. Douglas and in the famed Cooper Union speech of February 1860."


3) as to your last statement , it shows you know nothing of what Lincoln said about the difference that had to be observed.
His opponents were just like you, they wanted slaves and it was slavery or total integration. In the Fourth Debate at Charleston ( I see you know nothing of it ) he said as plain as day --- AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND TOTALLY WHAT HE MEANT


"And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes"


You are the worst kind of racist , seems to me

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

Lincoln was not given a chance by the Plantation aristocracy that ruled the South. They seceded before Lincoln took office.
Your history is defective.

The French freed the slaves, but Napoleon sent an army to reinstate it in Haiti. It lost the war that ensued.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

There were serious slave rebellions across the Caribbean, and the Quilombo das Palmares in Brazil was independent for over 50 years.
Lincoln did not start the Civil War, the South started it by seceding. According to historians the only state where there was a real majority for secession was South Carolina. In other states, the plantation aristocracy controlled the state legislatures.

 

[the annoying thing]

There were serious slave rebellions across the Caribbean, and the Quilombo das Palmares in Brazil was independent for over 50 years.
Lincoln did not start the Civil War, the South started it by seceding. According to historians the only state where there was a real majority for secession was South Carolina. In other states, the plantation aristocracy controlled the state legislatures.

southern democrats lol

 

[mark francis]

What makes Abraham Lincoln so special?

Just a question.

Abraham Lincoln's positive characteristics can easily be attributed to Jesus' influence in his life.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

Abraham Lincoln's positive characteristics can easily be attributed to Jesus' influence in his life.

What proof do you have of that?