Why is the US so opposed to free healthcare for all?

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I don't get this

A country that is full of christian funda-mentalists fights tooth and nail to deny this to the most needy in society.

I don't understand how people can claim to be christians and be so opposed to helping others.

And I really don't understand how the many beneficiaries of such a scheme can be whipped up into actively opposing it just by using the dreaded 's' word.

Healthcare and education should be freely available to all citizens in a devloped country.

I know the US has been misled about the UK NHS but the truth is that anyone can get good medical care free at the point of usage in the UK. Is it as good as the best privately funded care? Not always. But in the UK you can buy private health insurance too if you want to so you can get anything the private sector can offer if you can afford it and very good care if you cannot. This is why depsite the nonesense the right uses to demonise free healthcare the argument doesn't stack up.

And please don't say that the poor choose to not buy health insurance. One third of US workers earn nine dollars per hour or less. You cannot affrord the luxury of health insurance on this level of income.

The vehemence of the opposition to the idea of free healthcare in the US is disturbing. especilaly when so much of taxpayers' money is spent on killing people in foreign countries.

Is that christian?

Actually, it probably is.
 
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First, the US may have a lot of Christians, or at least people who say that they re Christians, but it is not a Christian nation.

As to the question in the title, that is a mystery. It seems we would rather pay more and get less than have a real universal health care system like every other civilized nation on the world.
 
healthcare is not free. anywhere. now if you mean everyone should receive care who needs ikt, they already do.

No, health care is not free, nor can it be. It is just more expensive here than it is anywhere else in the world, that's all. But, sure, if being patched up in the emergency room qualifies, then we all have health care.
 
No, health care is not free, nor can it be. It is just more expensive here than it is anywhere else in the world, that's all. But, sure, if being patched up in the emergency room qualifies, then we all have health care.

Well that does it! We need socialized medicine because health care costs too much.....hahahahhahahaha.....

Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
 
No, health care is not free, nor can it be. It is just more expensive here than it is anywhere else in the world, that's all. But, sure, if being patched up in the emergency room qualifies, then we all have health care.


well Obamacare does nothing to bring down costs apart from denying care based on budgets. and do you really think costs will go down if you hand out welfare insurance cards that are good for everything relative to now ? given the fraud in Medicare and Medicaid now I'm absolutely sure costs will skyrocket.
 
As to the question in the title, that is a mystery.
We oppose slavery, where's the mystery? I know you don't like such language, equating "free" healthcare with slavery, so in your rainbow world filled with shades of gray, tell us... To what degree is slavery acceptable to you? 50%? 10%? Demanding that someone is provided with a product or service and forcing someone else to pay for that product or service, while a matter of degree, is still slavery.

You're forcing one individual to provide a product or service to another individual without compensation for their labor. When such an arrangement is voluntary on the part of the individual providing the product or service, it's rightfully called charity. When that individual is forced to do so, it's slavery.

It seems we would rather pay more and get less than have a real universal health care system like every other civilized nation on the world.
Not one single person has offered a reasonable explanation for how socialized medicine can bring down the cost of PROVIDING care... You've been asked and avoided the topic several times now. Perhaps we can start small...

A box of band-aids.

How does, say, the UK system of UHC lower the cost of a box of band-aids? How does their system lower the cost of producing, transporting, stocking, and administering band-aids to patients? Or does it?

Subsidizing the cost with a combination of taxation and deficit spending is an excellent way to mask the cost, but it doesn't actually LOWER the cost of any good or service provided by the HC industry... But feel free to prove me wrong, just offer evidence that a box of band-aids is actually cheaper to produce and distribute under socialized HC than it is here in our semi-socialized system.
 
Any of the somewhat assinine posts above opposing free (at the point of consumption) healthcare should try substituting 'education' for 'healthcare' in their argument and see how crazy they appear. Suggesting that everyone sharing the cost of healthcare equates to slavery is beyond bizarre. What is slavery is ensuring that poor people (many who are black funnily enough) should endure s system where they cannot get decent healthcare at all.

How did so many Americans get to be so vile?
 
What proof do you have that a band-aid actually costs less to manufacture and distribute in a country with socialized medicine than it does here?

when you tell me where I ever talked about the cost of a band aid, I will tell you...untill then look at the cost per person in spending...we spend more...we get less...some get almost nothing...you love it because you think your actuly going to get it...wait till something happens and your not covered...see how much you enjoy...see how much you save.
 
Any of the somewhat assinine posts above opposing free (at the point of consumption) healthcare should try substituting 'education' for 'healthcare' in their argument and see how crazy they appear. Suggesting that everyone sharing the cost of healthcare equates to slavery is beyond bizarre. What is slavery is ensuring that poor people (many who are black funnily enough) should endure s system where they cannot get decent healthcare at all.

How did so many Americans get to be so vile?

its took years of practice and ignorance and a lack of caring about anyone other then our selfs...But when in doubt we just run around with a flag yelling USA USA and then invade someone...makes us feel better.
 
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That does cover most of it but there is also the indoctrination against socialism.

The US largely invented the cold war to sell to the American people massive spending on arms. As part of this they demonised socialism and made it a frenzy-inducing fear. So much so that they only have to describe a policy as socialist and the masses get hysterical and can't reason on the subject.

When it became impossible to maintain the myth of the cold war the US Government invented the myth of the war on terror to justify its arms spend and its aggression to oil rich states in the middle east. Islam has replaced socialism as the bete noir in the collective US psyche but the view of anything socialist remains.

It is a great example of how easy it is to manipulate people and whip up hatred.

The fact remains though that state provided healthcare for all is a wonderful thing and every nation that wants to be considered civilised should do it.
 
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