Administration changeing methodlogy for jobs/Porkuus

[dogtowner]

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Having gotten embarrassed over its prior attempts at counting "created or saved" jobs, the administration will now just count pretty much any job that in any way received a porkulus buck in any form or fashion.

I can't believe they would even consider such a silly notion.

They continue to amaze me with their incompetance.

The White House has abandoned its controversial method of counting jobs under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus, making it impossible to track the number of jobs saved or created with the $787 billion in recovery money.

Despite mounting a vigorous defense of its earlier count of more than 640,000 jobs credited to the stimulus, even after numerous errors were identified, the Obama administration now is making it easier to give the stimulus credit for hiring. It's no longer about counting a job as saved or created; now it's a matter of counting jobs funded by the stimulus.

That means that any stimulus money used to cover payroll will be included in the jobs credited to the program, including pay raises for existing employees and pay for people who never were in jeopardy of losing their positions.

The new rules, quietly published last month in a memorandum to federal agencies, mark the White House's latest response to criticism about the way it counts jobs credited to the stimulus. When The Associated Press first reported flaws in the job counts in October, the White House said errors were being corrected and future counts would provide a full and correct accounting of just how many stimulus jobs were saved or created.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I can't believe they would even consider such a silly notion.

More silly than "conservatives'" argument, that....allowing BUSHCO's 1%ers' tax-cuts to expire.....would constitute a tax-increase???

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[TheFranklinParty]

More silly than "conservatives'" argument, that....allowing BUSHCO's 1%ers' tax-cuts to expire.....would constitute a tax-increase???​

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But, do you agree with the change in policy? Do you think the current administration is valid in counting jobs this way? Try to answer without using the words Bush, conservative, right, or Republican.

 

[GenSeneca]

But, do you agree with the change in policy? Do you think the current administration is valid in counting jobs this way? Try to answer without using the words Bush, conservative, right, or Republican.

He's here for comic relief, not serious discussion. If you expect him to offer anything more than tangent remarks of one line quips with colorful words and embedded links, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[dogtowner]

He's here for comic relief, not serious discussion. If you expect him to offer anything more than tangent remarks of one line quips with colorful words and embedded links, you're going to be disappointed.

that would imply humor or wit

 

[TheFranklinParty]

He's here for comic relief, not serious discussion. If you expect him to offer anything more than tangent remarks of one line quips with colorful words and embedded links, you're going to be disappointed.

I'm going to keep pressing him for a real opinion at every turn. If he is going to comment on intelligent discussion then he'll have to bring something to the table.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

But, do you agree with the change in policy? Do you think the current administration is valid in counting jobs this way? Try to answer without using the words Bush, conservative, right, or Republican.

You don't see the parallel, huh?​

"That means that any stimulus money used to cover payroll will be included in the jobs credited to the program....."

....But, "conservatives" would be MORE-than-happy announce job-losses, if The Stim never existed!!​

"The new rules are intended to streamline the process, said Tom Gavin, spokesman for the White House's Office of Management and Budget. They came in response to grant recipients who complained the reporting was too complicated, from lawmakers who complained the job counts were inconsistent and from watchdog groups who complained the information was unreliable, Gavin said.

"We're trying to make this as consistent and as uniform as we possibly can," he said.

The new stimulus job reports will continue to offer details about jobs and projects. But they were never expected to be the public accounting of Obama's goal to save or create 3.5 million jobs, Gavin said.

The quarterly job reports posted on the Web site for the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board reflect only a fraction of the jobs created under the program and can't account for job creation stemming from other stimulus programs such as tax rebates and other federal aid, the spokesman said.

But the result of the new rules will be that future claims of job creation from the stimulus will be even more misleading, said Rep. Darrell Issa, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

"It is troubling that the administration is changing the rules and further inflating the Recovery Act's impact and masking the failure of the stimulus to produce sustainable economic growth or real job creation," Issa said in a letter sent last week to the government board monitoring stimulus spending."

It should be fairly-obvious what "conservatives" are (actually) trying to accomplish, here.

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[Mr. Shaman]

But, do you agree with the change in policy? Do you think the current administration is valid in counting jobs this way? Try to answer without using the words Bush, conservative, right, or Republican.

It's lookin' more like a repeat o' the good ol' body-count-style evaluation (that didn't work, for War, either).​

"The job figures have other shortcomings. Since reporting is required only of the top two layers of funding recipients, the data do not capture jobs created further down the line of suppliers or subcontractors. And stimulus recipients have taken different approaches to counting jobs that are created or saved on a part-time or temporary basis.

To address those concerns, the Office of Management and Budget recently issued new rules for reporting job numbers, aimed at ensuring more consistency. Most notably, the rules instruct recipients unsure how to count "saved" jobs to simply estimate how many employees in a given quarter were working on projects paid for by stimulus dollars, regardless of whether they would have been laid off otherwise.

But there is a downside: The shift in rules means that the numbers reported for the last quarter of 2009 and for the remainder of the stimulus cannot be compared with the job numbers from earlier in 2009. Going forward, recipients will no longer be expected to report a total count of jobs created or saved over time, but simply how many jobs were created or saved in a given quarter."

Let's get real, though.....we've seen this all, before....when "conservative"-concerns/agenda were given a much-higher priority...than any concerns for the general-public.​

"So Rice instructed Clarke to initiate a new "policy review process" on the terrorism threat.

Clarke dived into yet another round of meetings. And his proposals were nibbled nearly to death."​

 

[chestnut]

But, do you agree with the change in policy? Do you think the current administration is valid in counting jobs this way? Try to answer without using the words Bush, conservative, right, or Republican.

He cannot. It would be amazing if he could, but he can't

 

[chestnut]

Obama's too busy paying back those who voted for him to worry about looking like a complete idiot.