Anti-Theism in America

[GenSeneca]

What you want to do (impossibly) is say because the church voluntarily embraced the Nazi that somehow made them not the Catholic Church.

Let me get this straight... I can come over to YOUR HOUSE, put a GUN TO YOUR HEAD and anything I order you to do - will be done voluntarily?

Of course, You also said that people WHO BROKE UNDER TORTURE are sympathizers and "in bed with" the people torturing them....

Far be it from me to wish harm on another person, but in your case, I think you could use a firsthand account of both - then maybe... just maybe... you'd understand how INSULTING you are.

 

[top gun]

Let me get this straight... I can come over to YOUR HOUSE, put a GUN TO YOUR HEAD and anything I order you to do - will be done voluntarily?

Of course, You also said that people WHO BROKE UNDER TORTURE are sympathizers and "in bed with" the people torturing them....

Far be it from me to wish harm on another person, but in your case, I think you could use a firsthand account of both - then maybe... just maybe... you'd understand how INSULTING you are.

What the hell are you talking about??? Stating historical fact is not insulting to anybody! That's why they call it HISTORICAL FACT!

Nobody put a GUN to Preston Bush's head he was a free man in another country. He just didn't see the coming harm the Nazis would do. No one put a gun to the Catholics Churches head. They actually enjoyed the public prestige of Hitler holding them up as THE Aryan religion.

Eventually everyone saw that Hitler & the Nazi Party were terrible. But there was a time when many did not... and that included the Catholic Church.

Here... we can watch Catholic Bishops reviewing German troops alongside German Officers... and more. So stop it with the dumb act and let it go!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O12rzp2IMuE

 

[Dr.Who]

Which still ignores the fact he has view completely opposed to the teachings of Christ. Why is this so hard for you?

If I went around claiming I was liberal, yet hold nearly all positions opposed to liberals, wouldn't you say I wasn't really a liberal? Why then can you even try and claim someone who holds positions opposed to the Bible, is somehow a "christian"? That makes no logical sense.

Do you mean that it is not logical for one to be both in favor of infanticide (the killing of born babies for those of you in Rio Lindo) and to claim allegiance to Christ?

 

[Dr.Who]

The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, []
In other word preach that BS somewhere else because I ain't buyin' it!

People have been trying to demonstrate contradictions or other errors for over 2000 years and they have yet to come up with anything that can stand up to any scrutiny. If they had there would be a mass exodus of former believers from the ranks of Christianity - but instead what we have is most American's continuing to believe in something that is consistent with itself and consistent with what we know about the world.

Now if you think you really do have something then why don't you start yet another "Bible is wrong because..." thread and then when you actually do it you will become famous as the first person to find a serious flaw in the bible.

Smarter men than you and I have tried and failed.

 

[Andy]

Do you mean that it is not logical for one to be both in favor of infanticide (the killing of born babies for those of you in Rio Lindo) and to claim allegiance to Christ?

That would be one issue of more than a few issues that I conclude are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ, but yes.

 

[GenSeneca]

No one put a gun to the Catholics Churches head. They actually enjoyed the public prestige of Hitler holding them up as THE Aryan religion.

Revisionist History, its just insane... YouTube is your source this time? Try a Legitimate History Book and don't stop at just one... And WTF does Prescott Bush have to do with the Catholic Church? Nothing!

You just like mentioning Bush's family name with the Nazi's... what you should also mention is that, at the time, we were adopting many of the "Governmental Reforms" that were in place in Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Fascist Italy, Socialism... Those two countries sought "Change" as well. You might also want to mention that Nazi was short for National SOCIALISM.

Do yourself a favor and learn some history, because... you support a SOCIALIST!

Clearly that's propagandist hackery... SURELY Obama is no Socialist... Lets see what his wife has to say:

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your division... that you come out of your Isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better, and that you engage... Barack will never allow you to go back to you lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed. --Michelle Obama @ UCLA Rally

Now THATS "Progressive"!

Now back to the topic: What do you think happened to the thousands of Catholic followers, priests, bishops and other clergymen who DIDN'T want anything to do with the Nazi's and RESISTED?

Hint: It didn't go well for them or their families...

Let me give you a hypothetical example....

Men with Machine guns show up in your church on Sunday... They tell everyone that if they want to live, go to the Left and accept your new masters. Everyone who's willing to die for their beliefs.... Go to the Right.

Now one group, the dissenters, are gone - magically disappeared... Which group is left to fill the pews? If you answered: "People willing to accepts Nazi Rule rather than die", you'd be correct.

If you knew JACK SHlT about the Nazi's, you'd know they did this EVERYWHERE - Dissent was not allowed! (Kinda like the Democrat party) Every business, every church, every single industry was REQUIRED to support their Nazi rulers... or die.

Thats why you don't see pictures of Nazi's holding guns to the heads of Catholic clergymen to get them to salute... They already have!

 

[Andy]

What you are is so full of BS that you can't see straight.

Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors.

Chapter 2 goes back and fills in more details of the sixth day, but never indicates a different order. God said everything he had made was very good. Woman had not been made, and he said it is not good that man should be alone. This never indicates that anything he had made prior was not good.

is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones?

God said to bring 2 pairs of each animal, and 7 pairs of the clean animals. If I tell you to go to the store and buy one of each donut, but oh by the way, buy 4 of the glazed with sprinkles on top... it's the same thing. 7 Pairs of the clean animals makes logical sense too given that some would be used as sacrifices to the Lord.

The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?)

I can't find what supposed disagreement you refer to. Jesus was in Jerusalem on at least two separate occasions. It never says he didn't do other things between visits.

and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection.

Is it possible that different people might have different views of the same event, because they might not have all been at the exact same place? None of them have any statements that are mutually exclusive.

The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father.

One traced the genealogy through his father, the other traced it through his mother.

(some stuff deleted about what other people have said)

Um... without specifics, I can't comment on what they were referring too.

You can take it anyway you want. God gave you free will, and you will go freely to the place you choose. We all will.

As for me, I've heard all these supposed contradictions before, and any amount of real research shows the answer.

 

[Dr.Who]

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your division... that you come out of your Isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better, and that you engage... Barack will never allow you to go back to you lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed. --Michelle Obama @ UCLA Rally

Yes she said that. And it does show how this woman that Obama has partnered with, that could be an example of how he leads people to believe certain things, might be a socialist.

She also said:

"The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more."

—Michelle Obama, The Charlotte Observer

 

[GenSeneca]

"The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more."

—Michelle Obama, The Charlotte Observer

Thats the AMERICAN way right? Wasn't THAT what our country was REALLY founded on, Socialism?? ... Not some silly notion of Freedom... or Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness....

That stuff is SOOO 5 minutes ago... All the cool people are doing the Socialist thing. Sacrificing for the Greater Good is the "IN" thing to do, didn't you get that memo?

 

[Dr.Who]

Thats the AMERICAN way right? Wasn't THAT what our country was REALLY founded on, Socialism?? ... Not some silly notion of Freedom... or Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness....

That stuff is SOOO 5 minutes ago... All the cool people are doing the Socialist thing. Sacrificing for the Greater Good is the "IN" thing to do, didn't you get that memo?

Ok GenSeneca, we have had our fun but now that we have hijacked this thread let's get back to it.

Why is it that the Anti-theist tend to align with the socialists and the theists tend to align with the conservatives?

Here is a theory: Conservatives want to conserve the American ideals that this country was founded on (including having a national spirit that was founded largely on religious ideals) and socialists want to change our country into something that it never was. Which of course is why Michelle Obama was never proud to of America - it wasn't a socialism.

 

[BigRob]

Revisionist History, its just insane... YouTube is your source this time? Try a Legitimate History Book and don't stop at just one... And WTF does Prescott Bush have to do with the Catholic Church? Nothing!

You just like mentioning Bush's family name with the Nazi's... what you should also mention is that, at the time, we were adopting many of the "Governmental Reforms" that were in place in Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Fascist Italy, Socialism... Those two countries sought "Change" as well. You might also want to mention that Nazi was short for National SOCIALISM.

Do yourself a favor and learn some history, because... you support a SOCIALIST!

Clearly that's propagandist hackery... SURELY Obama is no Socialist... Lets see what his wife has to say:

Now THATS "Progressive"!

Now back to the topic: What do you think happened to the thousands of Catholic followers, priests, bishops and other clergymen who DIDN'T want anything to do with the Nazi's and RESISTED?

Hint: It didn't go well for them or their families...

Let me give you a hypothetical example....

Men with Machine guns show up in your church on Sunday... They tell everyone that if they want to live, go to the Left and accept your new masters. Everyone who's willing to die for their beliefs.... Go to the Right.

Now one group, the dissenters, are gone - magically disappeared... Which group is left to fill the pews? If you answered: "People willing to accepts Nazi Rule rather than die", you'd be correct.

If you knew JACK SHlT about the Nazi's, you'd know they did this EVERYWHERE - Dissent was not allowed! (Kinda like the Democrat party) Every business, every church, every single industry was REQUIRED to support their Nazi rulers... or die.

Thats why you don't see pictures of Nazi's holding guns to the heads of Catholic clergymen to get them to salute... They already have!

I will debate a bit about the dissenter part. In concentration camps many people justified it to themselves as they were following orders, but there are documented cases where NAZI soldiers refused to kill Jews and while were laughed at, were not shot or court martialed.

 

[Dr.Who]

I will debate a bit about the dissenter part. In concentration camps many people justified it to themselves as they were following orders, but there are documented cases where NAZI soldiers refused to kill Jews and while were laughed at, were not shot or court martialed.

Well it sure is nice that the National Socialists did not kill ALL of the people who dissented.

 

[GenSeneca]

I will debate a bit about the dissenter part. In concentration camps many people justified it to themselves as they were following orders, but there are documented cases where NAZI soldiers refused to kill Jews and while were laughed at, were not shot or court martialed.

How many Jew's, Catholics, Gypsies and other NON-German Military were allowed to dissent? None... They were put in the camps or shot.

I will not disagree about German Soldiers who dissented and lived.... Some of them saved THOUSANDS of lives by refusing to follow orders and lived to tell about it.

 

[BigRob]

How many Jew's, Catholics, Gypsies and other NON-German Military were allowed to dissent? None... They were put in the camps or shot.

I will not disagree about German Soldiers who dissented and lived.... Some of them saved THOUSANDS of lives by refusing to follow orders and lived to tell about it.

Well yea, I am not trying to excuse anything they did. Just felt that it should be pointed out.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Let us not forgot that G W Bush's grandfather's factory was forcibly closed down for defying bans and continuing supplying the nazis.

Who would have thought that the Bush's and the Nazis would be bedmates?

Lots of people.