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Part of Obama's bad Foreign Policy

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by BigRob, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    Thought this video summed things up semi-well on why at least some of these positions he takes are wrong.

    Find he Video Here.
     
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    That video wasn't made for people like you Rob, it was meant for people who will be easily scared by dramatic music, pictures of missiles being fired, or pictures of China's armed forces massed and demonstrating precision drill maneuvers.

    There is only one answer to this Rob and that is that the nations of the world are now arming themselves and taking measures to protect themselves against the US.

    Do you really want to put your name behind this kind of scare tactic baloney?

    I'm fully convinced that Obama won't be able to pull the troops out of Iraq and you are too because we've talked about it. But should he? Iraq is now a war which can't be won by the US and if the US leaves then there will be a situation created which is going to be far worse for the US than Saddam ever was.

    Do can do this Rob, I know you can now.
     
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    There's nothing that more clearly shows Obama's utter cluelessness, inexperience, and all-around incompetence, than his insistence on abandoning the fledgling Iraq democracy. It's like moving the ball to the opponent's 10 yard line, and then walking off the field.

    The Grand Poohbah in Iran has recently announced that they now have 5000 nuke separator centrifuges running, with a goal of 50,000. They recently demonstrated their IRBMS, and the way things are going now, their eventual development of longer range IRBMs and eventually ICBMs is a near certainty. In the face of this, he would eliminate our plans to deploy the missile defense system in the czech republic and poland against this crystal clear threat, and our minimal capability in alaska against the north koreans.

    The scariest thing imo is the Obama policy of non-weaponization of space. Anyone with even the slightest clue about events in that area knows that the entire chinese space program is aimed at weaponization, because their asymmetric war fighting doctrine vis-a-vis the US recognizes that the whole US military now depends on an array of C-cubed and surveillance assets in space, and attacking those assets would paralyze US forces AND some weapons systems.

    Re Venezuela, he appears uniformed about all the weapons deals Chavez has made with the russians, and his continuing belligerent attitude toward his neighboring countries.

    The prospect of Obama, an unexperienced, unschooled, and near totally clueless naif controlling US foreign policy, in a world full of ruthless, intelligent, and determined dictators, is flat out frightening to any informed person.
     
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    This is true. If the US leaves Iraq then it will be giving up everything it has gained. More importantly is the fact that eventually the US 'will' have to leave Iraq and the resolve of the Iraqi people will turn completely against the US. Or the US will stay in Iraq. Does the US plan to stay in Iraq?

    THe US wants to deploy it's MDS in the czech republic as a threat to Russia. If Iran ever decides to obtain nuclear weapons it will be as a defence against the US.

    China could easily destroy the space surrounding our earth for everyone in the future by sending up a couple of loads of gravel to the appropriate orbital altitudes. That's what's scary. (for the US) Americans flatter themselves with thinking that China cares much about the US, they care much more about India.

    The US has invited a defensive cold war attitude on not just the part of Venezuela but all oil rich countries which don't currently fall under US control.

    You demonstrate your disingenuousness and your phonyness by saying 'unschooled and near totally clueless naif' and for that reason you are not being considered one of the people on this forum who should be one of those we take seriously. You may or may not have the ability to rise above that, but that's up to you.
     
  5. Andy

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    Explain. According to all the reports from people who were there, including my brother-in-law who was in Iraq for 2 years, the Iraqi people are completely in favor of the US. What makes you suspect that the Iraqi public would turn against the US when that hasn't happened in other situations?

    More information on MDS in the Czech Republic. I found nothing on this.

    The Chinese government is adversarial. The Chinese people are very favorable to the US. This is logical given that the US despises China's one child policy of forced abortions, and many Americans support causes that help adopt and save children from this policy.

    How?
     
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    It's clear the Iraqi people want the Us out and now the government has shown the same. The biggest fear of the US is that Iraq will align itself with Iran.



    After Russia has offered to cooperate with the US in it's efforts to thwart Iran or N.Korea, it has been turned down. There's little doubt that this is meant to threaten Russia and/or China. It could result in Russia based some bombers in Cuba. Good idea? Or is cooperation a better idea?



    That's imaginative thinking but has nothing to do with a threat from China. You can do better than that! Is China's one child policy a bad policy in your opinion, now that you have brought it up? Just a yes or no will suffice because there will be no argument coming from me on this.



    How?[/QUOTE]

    Iraq and then maybe Iran if it thinks it can and then Venezuela if it thinks it can.

    Why?
     
  7. BigRob

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    Iraq is not going to align with Iran. There are elements in Iraq that hate Iran. While elements of Iraq may show favoritism towards Iran, it will not be a country wide event.

    Iran rejected Russia's offer in regards to their nuclear program. Russia was also part of the failed six-party talks in regards to North Korea. The US did not "turn Russia down."

    Also, North Korea is propped up by China. China is not threatened by a nuclear North Korea, what they are concerned about is the huge US force in South Korea along the 38th Parallel.

    Russia will not put bombers in Cuba, there is no need. We do not have a missile defense shield, and they have ICBM's with multiple warheads. Added to that is a guarantee made by the United States that we will not invade Cuba.


    The price of oil in countries such as this has always had an effect on the amount of freedoms that are enjoyed by the people. The US is not the cause of the high price of oil.
     
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    But the truth isn't backwards like that.

    Things didn't end with the Trade Center plane crash. And Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with any attack on Americans let alone the Trade Center. It was all one sides methodical and well planned lies to do a little payback on a leader they didn't like and what they saw as a pathway to securing more oil in the long run for the United States.

    The end doesn't justify the means my friend. They did a lot of terrible things and got America in one hell of a fix... over this Republican administration's arrogance and lust for power! It's been a bad time in America because of it... but it is about over.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqr3RhNji1g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW40PCRAr0s
     
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    Thank you for that link Rob,


    I had seen much of it, but there were a number of things in the clips I had not seen before now.

    Thank you :)
     
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    The most powerful influence in Iraq is attracted to Iran. Get with the program Rob.



    I'm not talking about Iran, I'm talking about Russia offering to join the Us in it's NMD plans and the US turning Russia down. Get with the program Rob.

    Thank you for sharing that with us and I'll take some time trying to understand the significance of your need to.

    Russia doesn't intend to defend Cuba with bombers silly. Russia has said that putting bombers in Cuba would be an appropriate resonse to the Czech bullsh-t. Just cold war rhetoric spawned by the US.




    The price of oil in countries such as this has always had an effect on the amount of freedoms that are enjoyed by the people. The US is not the cause of the high price of oil.[/QUOTE]

    I didn't claim the US was to blame for the high price of oil there. Where do you get these ideas of yours? The US uses nearly a quarter of the oil used in the world today and the oil being used is close to or perhaps exceeds the produced supply. That's why oi is expensive.
     
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    You got that right pal!
     
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    It was a success because it was made to appeal to people like you Abomination.
     
  13. BigRob

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    The most powerful influence in Iraq is not what is holding Iraq together right now. And many people will be upset if Iraq becomes an Iranian puppet. While there be influence, Iran will not be the major player because the Saudi's and the Turks will have their say in it as well.

    Russia wanted the US to put the missiles in Azerbaijan to "share" the technology. Thank God that Bush decided not to basically give Russia our missile defense technology.

    I misread your quote, but missiles in the Czech Republic and China will not threaten China. China is more concerned with South Korea.


    If Russia does anything they will most likely put missiles all around the Baltic Sea, not put bombers in Cuba.


    So why are we prevented from drilling for more exactly?
     
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    Your "Iraqi people will turn completely against the US" is blather, you offer no arguments and there aren't any. Iraq going forward as a stable democracy, versus becoming a province of Iran under the Obama cut-and-run plan, is the difference between night and day, as any sane person with an IQ over 80 would recognize.


    Rarely does on see russian and islamofascist propaganda-for-dimwits garbled into one paragraph, but you pulled it off. :)


    Your grasp of satellites and orbits is even dimmer than your grasp of politics. :D

    You don't know what you're talking about as usual - ALL the newer chinese military developments are focussed on a possible conflict with the US.

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    Another cartoonish spurt from your unschooled brain - are you capable of writing ANYTHING but regurgiated leftwing propaganda? :rolleyes:


    Obama is an "affirmative action" baby, one of a whole generation of blacks sucked along by virtue only of his skin color in the US higher education system, which on behalf of such persons pushed FARRRRRRRR more qualified whites out of the way. Any black with a pulse is sucked into harvard nowadays. Along the way, such persons are inundated with scholarships, fellowships, internships, mentoring, and many other privileges not available to whites. Obama's degree is in constitutional law, which would give him only the polluted version of it available from the libs and communists and other leftwing dreck that control such things in american universities, and in any case would give no functional skills for the actual job of president. He has NO qualifications in the armed services, and unlike every president since Roosevelt (who WAS secretary of the Navy before being president) never served in the military. He NEVER has had any executive position before. He has NO credentials or studies in economics. He has very little experience even in the US national government, let alone with other countries. His repeated statements, such as he thinks that just "talking" to cunning, hardened, world-class dictators will solve problems, show that he would be a hopeless innocent lamb in a world full of wolves. Stalin would have LOVED to deal with such a hollow suit.

    As for you, you are by far the least serious poster here. When you talk about McCain, it's recycling the lastest slurs. When you talk about Obama, it's issue free bot worship. When you talk about islamofascists, you merely recycle their propaganda. You are a simpleminded dupe for dictators.
     
  15. UShadItComing

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    Well libs, I gave you a chance to join the discussion and you just demonstrate that you are not willing to act like an adult. Now you will be largely ignored again by nearly everyone for the buffoon you are.

    Or you, the abomination, and sihouette can continue your circle jerk off on the sidelines for all I care. We'll send some more over to your circle when they demonstrate they are just ignorant wankers.
     
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