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Specter's departure a wake-up call for GOP

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Little-Acorn, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. Little-Acorn

    Little-Acorn Well-Known Member

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    (My reply to the topic in another forum)

    Specter's Departure a Wake Up Call for GOP

    It's a wakeup call, all right, but maybe not in the way you think.

    Democrats now have the means to ram through any and all programs they ever wanted, with nothing the Republicans can do to stop them. It's useful to look at a little history, to see what the results of this might be.

    Last time anything close happened like this, was in 1992. They didn't have 60 Senate seats, but they had a clear majority. And they started putting through things like "Don't ask, don't tell", big spending increases, a so-called "assault weapons ban", hordes of extreme-left judges, and finally the Hillarycare plan to nationalize one-seventh of the nation's economy. The latter didn't pass, but it was close.

    And the American people, who had just elected those Democrat majorities, took one look at what the Democrats intended, and kicked them out of every majority in the Federal government at the next election, plus most states.

    It helped, of course, that the Republicans put together a program the people actually DID want, promising to bring ten key bills out of the committees the Democrats had bottled them up in, and vote on them on the House floor. (Amazingly, this became one of the rare times when a group of politicians actually kept their promises 100%).

    Now, my guess is, the Democrats will forget history and thus doom themselves to repeat it. IMHO they will ram through even more than they already have. Hillary-style nationalized health care will be back, along with various gun bans. Entitlements will be greatly expanded, and tax increases everywhere. Simultaneoulsy, the military will be cut even as tensions worldwide increase.

    And the people will quickly get their fill of such socialism, as they have before, and look to replace the Democrats with politicians who are more conservative, and who offer programs they actually want.

    But the problem is... right now, the Republicans ain't it. The last group of Republicans in majorities, spent like drunken Democrats (until the Dems came back and out-spent them hugely in 2008-09), increased entitlements, supported open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens over the aliens who obeyed U.S. law, and generally acted like Democrats. Why should people vote for Democrat-lites while they reject real Democrats?

    So the wake-up call for Republicans, is that they'd better get back to what the people really want (smaller government, less spending, strong borders with limited immigration, tax cuts, more personal responsibility , strong defense and foreign relations)...so they are in a position to give people what they want for a change, next election day when people turn against the socialistic extremism of the Democrats (as they did last time the Dems got free rein).

    And that will take a lot of change... in the right direction this time, not Obama-style "change". Republicans abandoned small govt and spending discipline a decade ago. And if they don't go back to them, people will have no reason to vote for them, even while they vote against the Democrats whose socialism they reject.

    Republicans have to become conservative again. And not because people MIGHT notice them next election. But rather, because people will be SCREAMING for an alternative to the big-govt Democrats by then.

    And the Republicans had damned well better be sure they are it by then. They certainly aren't now.
     
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    Yeah.....let's!!!!
     
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    Let's not. A little thought snuck into my head. What if this is the new GOP attempt at dyed-in-the-wool resistance from within?

    Divide and conquer, the GOP are old experts at this...
     
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    what do you mean?
     
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    Arlen Specter showed some class caring more about getting things done than old Party holdout techniques!

    This is what happens when the old Republican Party just couldn't handle loosing again and decided to become the new OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY!

    This was bound to happen. The Republican Party is now a complete embarrassment to itself and is in total disarray. They're either cannibalizing each other... not running for re-election... or leaving the Party all together.

    I think everyone knew these obstructionism tactics couldn't be allowed to go on forever...


     
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    GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe agrees..

    According to a new WaPo Poll only 21% of Americans currently identify themselves as Republican....the lowest number in more than 25 years.

    By appealing to the far right exclusively, the former party of the big tent has turned into the party of the pup tent. Sen. Snowe is correct...but keep going the way you are, we Democrats like being in the majority.
     
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    Crud why did she threaten not to leave. she should go :( I guess she will wait till she has almost no republican support in her primary like Spector huh?
     
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    Top Gun, he was not going to win the frakin primary, the nobody had him 3 to 1. The republicans did not want him last time, he squeaked by but only because Bush went out and stumped for him, then when he finally won his election he crapped all over Bush.

    This time he was not going to win the primary in the Republican Party no matter who stumped for him so he changed parties. It has nothing to do with showing class; he was trying to save his political skin. I hope it doesn’t work.
     
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    Not to mention the 200,000 plus people who changed parties in PA during the Presidential primary and never switched back. The Senator lost his RINO base, and had to take drastic action.
     
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    I forgot about that, yes great point!

    He has always been a dem, its good that he is going home.

    I would like McCain to go home too
    and Olympia Snowe and one other I cant remember her name but she is a dem too, just ran under the republican ticket.

    If they leave it makes room for real republicans.
     
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    If you missed seeing all the Republicans that didn't even run for re-election last time because they knew their Party was toxic waste with voters I'm sorry.

    Last go around I even heard one REPUBLICAN say... If the Republican Party was dog food, they'd be pulling it from the shelves.

    Arlen Spector removed himself from a Party shrinking................. shrinking.......................... shrinking :D


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    If Specter makes it through the Dem primary, he will win re-election easily. I don't care what his reasons are, I just know that once Franken is seated, the Democrats have a filibuster proof majority.

    Those 200,000 who switched parties should give you cause for concern...as should the polls showing GOP ID at it's lowest in years.
     
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    Do you honestly believe that or are you just having fun on the boards?
     
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    You already really had the 60 seat majority, but this will make it official, which presents the Republicans with a huge chance to get political capital, if they can get together and capitalize. Time will tell.

    It does not really concern me, they only voted Republican (mostly) for a Democrat with an R after his name. Better off organizing the Republican Party around its core values than having to play up to a bunch of people who do not care. Long term, I think it is better, assuming the Party can now organize around the core values.
     
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    Give it 6 weeks, that's all it took Specter to reverse his position and bail.

    I hope all the cheerleaders of big government, deficit spending and massive tax increases leave the Republican party.

    Good Riddance.
     

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