The only role of the US Government is to protect US citizens

[Dawkinsrocks]

That is the mantra of the rich and the gullible fools who swallow their BS

But they clearly don't think that it is the role of the US Government to protect US citizens from the two biggest threats which are poverty and illness.

More US citizens suffer and die at the hands of these enemies than all the rest put together

But you don't hear much from the right about this do you? In fact they campaign to stop Americans being protected against these whilst supporting humungous spend on weapons that are used to kill civilians abroad who are no threat to the US

That is because the policies of the right exist to maintain the wealth and power of the few at the expense of the many including most of the idiots that vote for them

 

[GenSeneca]

The proper role of government is to protect our individual rights, by stopping and/or punishing those who initiate the use of force or commit fraud.It's not the job of government to protect us from any possible "threat", least of all the "threat" we pose to ourselves by making poor decisions when given the freedom to do so.

The fastest way to fight poverty is by expanding freedom:

The fastest way to improve the health of Americans is by limiting freedom - ban everything that's "unhealthy" and mandate everything deemed to be "healthy" (Reichs Fuhrer Doomberg is all over it).

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

If you are in poverty your choices are severely limited

Failure to understand this is the basic unit of ignorance that is exploited by the right

They want you to think that people are poor by choice. Because they are lazy for example.

This completely overlooks the mountain of evidence that proves it wrong.

Nobody wants to be poor but if you are born into a very poor neighbourhood where education is not good and or valued and where crime is rife etc you are pretty certainly going to turn out poor because of what you have learned.

There is also the fact that rich white people make the rules and so the tables are not level anyway.

There are millions of Americans who are in work who simply cannot afford health insurance and yet the right are happy to see them lose their homes to pay medical bills and or suffer life threatening conditions that they can't afford to get fixed

The right are mostly Christians too

They think it is right to spend trillions on arms 'protecting' US citizens from alleged military threats but wrong to spend less protecting US citizens from actual viral and bacterial threats

That exposes them for what they

Vicious and stupid

 

[Dr.Who]

If you are in poverty your choices are severely limited

Failure to understand this is the basic unit of ignorance that is exploited by the right

They want you to think that people are poor by choice. Because they are lazy for example.

This completely overlooks the mountain of evidence that proves it wrong.

Nobody wants to be poor but if you are born into a very poor neighbourhood where education is not good and or valued and where crime is rife etc you are pretty certainly going to turn out poor because of what you have learned.

There is also the fact that rich white people make the rules and so the tables are not level anyway.

There are millions of Americans who are in work who simply cannot afford health insurance and yet the right are happy to see them lose their homes to pay medical bills and or suffer life threatening conditions that they can't afford to get fixed

The right are mostly Christians too

They think it is right to spend trillions on arms 'protecting' US citizens from alleged military threats but wrong to spend less protecting US citizens from actual viral and bacterial threats

That exposes them for what they

Vicious and stupid

Regardless of why people are poor it is still not the role of the fed to provide for every or any want or need.

 

[Dr.Who]

That is the mantra of the rich and the gullible fools who swallow their BS

But they clearly don't think that it is the role of the US Government to protect US citizens from the two biggest threats which are poverty and illness.

More US citizens suffer and die at the hands of these enemies than all the rest put together

But you don't hear much from the right about this do you? In fact they campaign to stop Americans being protected against these whilst supporting humungous spend on weapons that are used to kill civilians abroad who are no threat to the US

That is because the policies of the right exist to maintain the wealth and power of the few at the expense of the many including most of the idiots that vote for them

No one at all dies or even goes hungry from poverty unless they choose not to accept help. People do die from illness but that does not mean it is the feds job to protect them. These people do need help just not from the fed.

 

[GenSeneca]

If The US Spends $550 Billion On Poverty How Can There Still Be Poverty In The US?​

So, how come there are still these near 50 million poor even after we’ve spent enough money to have no poor people? Simple, we just don’t count the money we’ve spent on the poor as reducing poverty. I know, I know, it’s unbelievable, isn’t it, but here’s Census saying exactly that:​

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"The poverty estimates released today compare the official poverty thresholds to money income before taxes, not including the value of noncash benefits."​

That “before taxes” bit means that the EITC is not counted as that works through the tax system. Food stamps are aid in kind. As is Medicaid. As are many other programs like Section 8 housing vouchers (yes, it’s true, almost all of the money spent through HUD is not counted as alleviating poverty at all).​

And that folks is how the country spends enough money to entirely eradicate poverty without actually reducing the number of people in poverty at all.​

 

[Gipper]

If you are in poverty your choices are severely limited

Failure to understand this is the basic unit of ignorance that is exploited by the right

They want you to think that people are poor by choice. Because they are lazy for example.

This completely overlooks the mountain of evidence that proves it wrong.

Nobody wants to be poor but if you are born into a very poor neighbourhood where education is not good and or valued and where crime is rife etc you are pretty certainly going to turn out poor because of what you have learned.

There is also the fact that rich white people make the rules and so the tables are not level anyway.

There are millions of Americans who are in work who simply cannot afford health insurance and yet the right are happy to see them lose their homes to pay medical bills and or suffer life threatening conditions that they can't afford to get fixed

The right are mostly Christians too

They think it is right to spend trillions on arms 'protecting' US citizens from alleged military threats but wrong to spend less protecting US citizens from actual viral and bacterial threats

That exposes them for what they

Vicious and stupid

The trillions confiscated and transferred thanks to the War On Poverty just is not enough for you. Lets see if we can actually determine if you can reason. Nothing in the history of the world has been more costly that the War On Poverty and yet after decades of spending, we still have the same amount of poverty we had in 1964. Don't you think that a new approach might be in order?

You might want to experience REAL poverty and visit a third world nation. There you will find conditions that do NOT exist in America. Most poor Americans live better than the extreme wealthy did 100 years ago.

Am I making sense?

 

[Cruella]

If you are in poverty your choices are severely limited

Failure to understand this is the basic unit of ignorance that is exploited by the right

They want you to think that people are poor by choice. Because they are lazy for example.

This completely overlooks the mountain of evidence that proves it wrong.

Nobody wants to be poor but if you are born into a very poor neighbourhood where education is not good and or valued and where crime is rife etc you are pretty certainly going to turn out poor because of what you have learned.

There is also the fact that rich white people make the rules and so the tables are not level anyway.

There are millions of Americans who are in work who simply cannot afford health insurance and yet the right are happy to see them lose their homes to pay medical bills and or suffer life threatening conditions that they can't afford to get fixed

The right are mostly Christians too

They think it is right to spend trillions on arms 'protecting' US citizens from alleged military threats but wrong to spend less protecting US citizens from actual viral and bacterial threats

That exposes them for what they

Vicious and stupid

Hmmm. I'm reminded of all the boat people coming here after Vietnam with nothing. Couldn't even speak the language. Funny how many of them became class valedictorians. America is such a horrible country to be poor in.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I lose the will to live when I read posts like the one above

The US trashed Vietnam and murdered hundreds of thousands of its poor civilians just because the US Government was trying to stop the spread of communism. It wasn't being attacked. It murdered hundreds of thousands of people for ideological reasons.

Then because some people live in abject poverty and see the relative wealth of the US is a lure imbeciles like the one above cite that as evidence of the greatness of the US

This level of ignorance and jingoism is what allows the US Governments to get away with mass murder.

They can sell it to the morons that live in the US by just describing it as noble.

Most Americans are to stupid to even question it

No wonder the world hates the US

 

[Cruella]

Oh yes, I see the hate America victimization, woe is poor me mentality is alive and well.

Your the one who made the comment about the poor not getting education in this country. I gave you a very good example of a class of poor people who came here with nothing, not even the language, and outperformed even the most affluent among us.

So what's your next excuse?

 

[PLC1]

I lose the will to live when I read posts like the one above

The US trashed Vietnam and murdered hundreds of thousands of its poor civilians just because the US Government was trying to stop the spread of communism. It wasn't being attacked. It murdered hundreds of thousands of people for ideological reasons.

Then because some people live in abject poverty and see the relative wealth of the US is a lure imbeciles like the one above cite that as evidence of the greatness of the US

This level of ignorance and jingoism is what allows the US Governments to get away with mass murder.

They can sell it to the morons that live in the US by just describing it as noble.

Most Americans are to stupid to even question it

No wonder the world hates the US

The US invaded Vietnam and carried out an ill advised war there for two decades. Nevertheless, citizens of Vietnam came here willingly, eagerly, in order to make better lives for themselves. They arrived with nothing, just as many immigrants arrived with nothing, but a will to achieve and succeed.

And, achieve and succeed most of them did. They are Americans now, not Vietnamese. They speak English. They graduated from our educational system, they started businesses, they started careers, bought homes and cars, sent their kids to school.

They hate America? I think not.

Meanwhile, we have citizens born here, given the birthright of citizenship, who do nothing but complain about how the government owes them something and how it isn't fair that they're poor.

The role of the government is to protect our rights. Read the Declaration of Independence. That is where the purpose of government is found. You will see that it says nothing about owing its citizens a living.

 

[Cruella]

We invaded Vietnam? Vietnam was always in some kind of political turmoil. France had colonized it. We tried to protect the south from the communists in the north. A lot of countries had their fingers in that pie, including Russia and China.

 

[GenSeneca]

The role of the government is to protect our rights.

It's weird to see you saying these things here when you're saying the exact opposite in the other thread...

You will see that it says nothing about owing its citizens a living.

Where does it say we owe our citizenry Healthcare, food, housing, disability pay, old age pension, and all the other things you seem to think government should provide through the forced redistribution of wealth?

 

[GenSeneca]

It murdered hundreds of thousands of people for ideological reasons.

The Communists slaughtered millions after we left... But Leftists don't have any problem with Communists committing mass murder for ideological reasons...

Deaths after U.S. withdrawal
Up to 155,000 refugees fleeing the final NVA Spring Offensive were killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hoa in 1975.[65] Sources have estimated that 165,000 South Vietnamese died in the re-education camps out of 1-2.5 million sent,[66][67] while the number executed could have been as high as 200,000[68] (Jacqueline Desbarats estimates an absolute minimum of 100,000 executions[66][69]). Rummel estimates that slave labor in the "New Economic Zones" caused 50,000 deaths (out of a total 1 million deported).[66][70] The number of boat people who died is estimated between 100,000 and 500,000, out of the 2.5 million that fled.[70][71] There were also tens of thousands of suicides after the North Vietnamese take-over.[72] Including Vietnam's foreign democide, Rummel estimates that a minimum of 400,000 and a maximum of slightly less than 2.5 million people died of political violence from 1975-87 at the hands of Hanoi.[70] In 1988, Vietnam suffered a famine that afflicted millions.[73]
Under the leadership of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge killed 1-3 million Cambodians in the killing fields, out of a population of around 8 million.[74][75][76] The Pathet Lao killed some 100,000 Hmong people in Laos.[77][78]

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[PLC1]

It's weird to see you saying these things here when you're saying the exact opposite in the other thread...


Where does it say we owe our citizenry Healthcare, food, housing, disability pay, old age pension, and all the other things you seem to think government should provide through the forced redistribution of wealth?

Where did I say we owe our citizenry food, housing, disability pay, old age pension?

I did say that it would be a lot cheaper and more practical to have a universal health insurance that covered everyone, but I didn't expect that to be free. Just a lot less expensive than what we have.

Face it: The current health care system consumes 18% of the GDP and is growing. That is unsustainable. Your idea of relying on charity isn't practical, i.e., won't work. Allowing citizens to die for lack of cash is not moral.

But, that's all academic anyway. We will allow the current health care system to bankrupt us. Maybe when the middle class can no longer afford a hospital stay, then the population will do something about it.

But, I doubt it.