Where Is The Logic?

Greco

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Our nation is now in a perpetual state of war. Wars that have no definitive end. We've now gone years and years past the time it took the United States and our allies to defeat Germany and Japan in WWII, and those wars were fought all across the planet. We're in a perpetual state of war in Iraq, a nation that never attacked us, that was contained within their borders, that posed no threat to America. The greatest military might in the history of the world has been at war against this small country, approximately the size of California, for over six years, and it continues. As of September 8, 2009, 5,130 Americans have given their lives in a war that should never have been started, and it continues. We're in a perpetual state of war in Afghanistan, one of the most primitive nations in the world. We've been at war with them for over eight years and there is no end in sight. We're not fighting an army, just insurgents that fought and defeated the mighty Soviet Union.

Our nation is in a state of financial shambles. Our economy was wrecked during the past eight years and will not fix itself. Instead of spending our money on our deteriorating infrastructure, education, health care, and a host of morally and socially responsible issues, we're in a perpetual state of war and we're borrowing money to buy more bullets, more grenades, more caskets. Each day all of us go through our daily lives seemingly unimpacted by our perpetual state of war. It was recently suggested that Congress should pass a war tax imposed on you and me to pay for these wars with no end. That's a great idea, one that has zero chance of happening, but if we all had to feel the sting of paying for our new status of perpetual war it's likely that would change quickly.

It is staggering to see how much money, the majority being borrowed, is going into these wars with no end. Here's a link you can click on and watch the dollars spent increase. This is real money, your money, my money, money that isn't going to improve any quality of life in America, just to continue our status of perpetual war.

http://costofwar.com/

The last five star general in our military was Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in WWII, a Republican and the 34th President of the United States. He knew about war. He knew about it, not in abstract terms, but in the most literal life and death terms. On that subject he said....

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing. Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

So here we are today, locked in two wars against third world nations that have exceeded the length of WWII by years. Two wars that have no "win" available, no end in sight. Two wars we can't afford, so we borrow billions and billions from China while their economy continues to deliver body blows to ours. Two wars that have killed thousands and thousands of Americans, and more will be added to the tally. What's our plan? We want to escalate the wars.

God save us from our own stupidity and inability to learn from our past
 
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Our nation is now in a perpetual state of war. Wars that have no definitive end. We've now gone years and years past the time it took the United States and our allies to defeat Germany and Japan in WWII, and those wars were fought all across the planet. We're in a perpetual state of war in Iraq, a nation that never attacked us, that was contained within their borders, that posed no threat to America. The greatest military might in the history of the world has been at war against this small country, approximately the size of California, for over six years, and it continues. As of September 8, 2009, 5,130 Americans have given their lives in a war that should never have been started, and it continues. We're in a perpetual state of war in Afghanistan, one of the most primitive nations in the world. We've been at war with them for over eight years and there is no end in sight. We're not fighting an army, just insurgents that fought and defeated the mighty Soviet Union.

Our nation is in a state of financial shambles. Our economy was wrecked during the past eight years and will not fix itself. Instead of spending our money on our deteriorating infrastructure, education, health care, and a host of morally and socially responsible issues, we're in a perpetual state of war and we're borrowing money to buy more bullets, more grenades, more caskets. Each day all of us go through our daily lives seemingly unimpacted by our perpetual state of war. It was recently suggested that Congress should pass a war tax imposed on you and me to pay for these wars with no end. That's a great idea, one that has zero chance of happening, but if we all had to feel the sting of paying for our new status of perpetual war it's likely that would change quickly.

It is staggering to see how much money, the majority being borrowed, is going into these wars with no end. Here's a link you can click on and watch the dollars spent increase. This is real money, your money, my money, money that isn't going to improve any quality of life in America, just to continue our status of perpetual war.

http://costofwar.com/

The last five star general in our military was Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in WWII, a Republican and the 34th President of the United States. He knew about war. He knew about it, not in abstract terms, but in the most literal life and death terms. On that subject he said....

“I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing. Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

So here we are today, locked in two wars against third world nations that have exceeded the length of WWII by years. Two wars that have no "win" available, no end in sight. Two wars we can't afford, so we borrow billions and billions from China while their economy continues to deliver body blows to ours. Two wars that have killed thousands and thousands of Americans, and more will be added to the tally. What's our plan? We want to escalate the wars.

God save us from our own stupidity and inability to learn from our past

Perfectly said.

So many people fail to realize the true & staggering cost. We spend a TRILLION DOLLARS per year on military & defense. You can look at the below breakdown (which is now a pitifully low example because it's from 2007) and see the bottomless money pit.

A strong defense sure... but this is way, way, way over kill. Eventually people will say we just can't do this, this way anymore.


Review Article:
The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases
The Global Deployment of US Military Personnel

by Prof. Jules Dufour
Global Research, July 1, 2007

The US Military has bases in 63 countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries.

In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide.

These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. The underlying land surface is of the order of 30 million acres. According to Gelman, who examined 2005 official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of 737 bases in foreign lands. Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of 2,202,735 hectares, which makes the Pentagon one of the largest landowners worldwide (Gelman, J., 2007).

More than 1000 US Bases and/or Military Installations

The main sources of information on these military installations (e.g. C. Johnson, the NATO Watch Committee, the International Network for the Abolition of Foreign Military Bases) reveal that the US operates and/or controls between 700 and 800 military bases Worldwide.

In this regard, Hugh d’Andrade and Bob Wing's 2002 Map 1 entitled "U.S. Military Troops and Bases around the World, The Cost of 'Permanent War'", confirms the presence of US military personnel in 156 countries.
 
Who would surrender? We're not at war against the Afghanistan government. We're not at war against the Iraqi government. What do we target for our bombs? Who do you think would surrender?
 
I too do not like the high cost of funding these wars. But for now congress is authorized by the constitution to have declared these wars and both the present and the last president have decided to wage these wars.

There are worse problems when it comes to government spending, namely the enormous spending that is not authorized by the constitution and changes with every fickle president who comes along.

Will we see the people who have complained about the war spending here also complain about the worse spending that happens much more continuously?
 
God save us from our own stupidity and inability to learn from our past.
....Or, at least for another (traditional) 20 years....until Corporate America can convince the next herd o' testosterone-driven late-teens/early-20-somethings that some (other) Country needs a "good ol' fashioned butt-whuppin'"!!!!!!

 
Our nation is now in a perpetual state of war. Wars that have no definitive end. We've now gone years and years past the time it took the United States and our allies to defeat Germany and Japan in WWII, and those wars were fought all across the planet. We're in a perpetual state of war in Iraq, a nation that never attacked us, that was contained within their borders, that posed no threat to America. The greatest military might in the history of the world has been at war against this small country, approximately the size of California, for over six years, and it continues. As of September 8, 2009, 5,130 Americans have given their lives in a war that should never have been started, and it continues. We're in a perpetual state of war in Afghanistan, one of the most primitive nations in the world. We've been at war with them for over eight years and there is no end in sight. We're not fighting an army, just insurgents that fought and defeated the mighty Soviet Union.

Our nation is in a state of financial shambles. Our economy was wrecked during the past eight years and will not fix itself. Instead of spending our money on our deteriorating infrastructure, education, health care, and a host of morally and socially responsible issues, we're in a perpetual state of war and we're borrowing money to buy more bullets, more grenades, more caskets. Each day all of us go through our daily lives seemingly unimpacted by our perpetual state of war. It was recently suggested that Congress should pass a war tax imposed on you and me to pay for these wars with no end. That's a great idea, one that has zero chance of happening, but if we all had to feel the sting of paying for our new status of perpetual war it's likely that would change quickly.

God save us from our own stupidity and inability to learn from our past

I agree with most of what you say. See liberals (assuming you are one) and conservatives can agree. However the cost of the entire defense budget is a fraction of the cost for all the social welfare programs. But, it is a huge cost none the less.

I think we can also agree that none of us expected Obama to continue W's policy on when he got elected.
 
Top Gun Said: So many people fail to realize the true & staggering cost. We spend a TRILLION DOLLARS per year on military & defense. You can look at the below breakdown (which is now a pitifully low example because it's from 2007) and see the bottomless money pit.

Interesting that those 'Screeching Monkeys' around here aren't volunteering to wave their social security benefits and don't say nay a word about the entire debt load that has been perpetrated upon our future generations for those 2 wars that G.W.B. & Company have fostered off onto our backs...but ask them about fair and equal health insurance and they recoil like they've been sprayed with the AIDS virus...LMAO What a bunch of knuckle heads and constant whiners :rolleyes:
 


Interesting that those 'Screeching Monkeys' around here aren't volunteering to wave their social security benefits and don't say nay a word about the entire debt load that has been perpetrated upon our future generations for those 2 wars that G.W.B. & Company have fostered off onto our backs...but ask them about fair and equal health insurance and they recoil like they've been sprayed with the AIDS virus...LMAO What a bunch of knuckle heads and constant whiners :rolleyes:

No doubt......

:rolleyes:
 
I too do not like the high cost of funding these wars. But for now congress is authorized by the constitution to have declared these wars and both the present and the last president have decided to wage these wars.
Just to be technically correct, congress has not "declared war", since WWII. The invasion of Panama, Granada, Gulf War I, Iraq, Afghanistan were not due to a declaration of war. A declaration of war by congress gives the sitting president dictatorial powers that congress has been unwilling to do.
 
War is peace, love is hate.

Great post, Greco, but who's listening? Certainly not the ones who need to hear what you have to say.

What I don't understand is why the right wing, small government, State's rights, love-others-as-yourself Christians are supporting the endless war. Is it all just about the money being made?
 
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The 700 Billion Tarp Bailout was pretty much welfare for
the rich unions and banks so far, so possibly Welfare spending is our biggest financial
burden in the US.

Now the Democrats are considering extending unemployment benefits for all of 2010, and there is no reason to believe employment is ever coming back under Obama!


Classic buying of the poor vote, but me thinks it will not work!
 
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