Are we to weak for Revolution?

jb_1430

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I have always believed that while we're here on earth.
We must step outside of our self-centered self in
order to be prepared for our next form of life.

Which in most cases our lives is carried on through
our children, and their childrens..children. Thereforth
that makes us automatically a part of the up-coming
revolution (which many of us may never see). BUt in
this life we are preparing to contribute something to
making the differences in the future.

The Palestinians are reall good at that. Training their children to do what the adults are not willing to do. MARK
 
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9sublime

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That was uncalled for, and its not Palestinians, its the hard core of the Palestinian fighters, not everyday people.

Roker, threads change, morph, the topic changes. I don't see the problem.
 

drippinhun

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The Palestinians are reall good at that. Training their children to do what the adults are not willing to do. MARK

So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?
 

jb_1430

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So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?

Im not aware of this "indoctrination of hatred" taught to Israelis, you speak of. MARK
 
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Rokerijdude11

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That was uncalled for, and its not Palestinians, its the hard core of the Palestinian fighters, not everyday people.

Roker, threads change, morph, the topic changes. I don't see the problem.

I was Putting it back on topic thanks
 
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Rokerijdude11

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So I guess because the indoctrination of hatred taught to Israeli children carries over into adulthood, they have risen above whatever you are talking about?

Funny all the Israelis i have met havent had any issues with me and hating me? actually they seem to be drawn to me ?
 

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A strong moral code of conduct does not require a belief in organized religion or a god.

You must be advocating the increasingly secular justic system. On a side note, did you know they took out the ten commandments from the lobbies of many court branches which many of the judges opposed and refused? And your thoughts about the private practice and enterprise of killing born and unborn children? What makes you think our laws are and are still being made under moral principle? They're not because the people that write and introduce them are becoming increasingly immoral and unprincipled. If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public, smart guy? And who will believe in them if they're not somehow handed down from a higher intelligence? The fact is there is no alternative to "Divine Law" because no one will believe or be thorougly restrained by "Natural Law".
 

jb_1430

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If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public,

By adopting much the same code because it is beneficial to society as opposed to because it is commanded by God. MARK
 

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I always thought the justice code was supposed to be derived from our morals, not the other way around. That's why our laws can be changed.

That's how I always looked at the matter.
 

drippinhun

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You must be advocating the increasingly secular justic system. On a side note, did you know they took out the ten commandments from the lobbies of many court branches which many of the judges opposed and refused?

The Ten Commandments belong to who? Many of us don't buy into that scheme.

And your thoughts about the private practice and enterprise of killing born and unborn children?

Isn't this a different topic? I personally abhor abortion but understand there are as many situations that are not for me, and especially the government, to be engaged in unless we are willing to commit to supporting that every child is properly feed, clothed, housed and given health care. Are you ready to pay that price? Or better yet, are you frothing to start beheading all those who fail to meet your "moral standards?"

What makes you think our laws are and are still being made under moral principle? They're not because the people that write and introduce them are becoming increasingly immoral and unprincipled. If you are not advocating the justice system, then from where do you derive your discriminant code of morals and how do you suggest we implement it and preserve it into the minds of the public, smart guy?

I find your Old Testament to be savage and brutal and would not care to live under such Talibanish-type rules. Though the Taliban took some counsel from that same book.

And who will believe in them if they're not somehow handed down from a higher intelligence? The fact is there is no alternative to "Divine Law" because no one will believe or be thorougly restrained by "Natural Law".

I don't subscribe to goobygook open to interpretation. And I definately am not going to allow some black or white, Divine vs. Natural Laws become the parameters of defining justice, practicality and necessity when it comes to my country's and my family's existence and survival.
 

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Americans Unready to Revolt, Despite Revolting Conditions
By Joel S. Hirschhorn

06/16/07 "ICH" -- -- The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal national poll results vividly show a population incredibly dissatisfied with their nation’s political system. In other countries in other times such a depressing level of confidence in government would send a signal to those running the government that a major upheaval is imminent. But not here in the USA. Why?

First, here are the highlights of the poll that surveyed 1,008 adults from June 8-11, with a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points.

A whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction - the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. And most of those with the positive view are probably in the Upper Class.

Bush’s approval rating is at just 29 percent, his lowest mark ever in the survey. Only 62 percent of Republicans approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove. Take Republicans out of the picture and a fifth or less of Americans have a positive view of Bush.

Even worse, only 23 percent approve of the job that Congress is doing. So much for that wonderful new Democratic control of Congress. Bipartisan incompetence is alive and well.

On the economic front, nearly twice as many people think the U.S. is more hurt than helped by the global economy (48 to 25 percent). Globalization does not spread wealth; it channels it to the wealthy, making billionaires out of millionaires.

I have long asserted that Americans live in a delusional democracy with delusional prosperity and these and loads of other data support this view. There is a super wealthy and politically powerful Upper Class that is literally raping the nation. Meanwhile, the huge Lower Class continues to lose economic ground while their elected representatives sell them out to benefit the Upper Class. Yet no rational person thinks that a large fraction of the population is ready to rise up in revolt against the evil status quo political-economic system that so clearly is not serving the interests of the overwhelming majority of Americans. Why not?

For a nation that was built on a revolt against oppressive governance by the British, something has been lost from our political DNA. We apparently no longer have the gene for political rebellion. It has been bred out of most of us. And those of us that urge a Second American Revolution are seen as fringe, nutty subversives.

Part of the genius of our contemporary ruling class elites is that they have engineering a state of political and economic oppression that paradoxically is still embraced by the Lower Class. The rational way to understand this is that ordinary, oppressed Americans are in a deep psychological state of self-delusion. Despite all the empirical, objective evidence of a failed government, they fail to see rebellion opportunities. Many still believe they live in the world’s best democracy. But across all elections considerably less than half the citizens even bother to vote anymore. Yet, as the new NBC/Journal poll results show, people are cognitively aware of just how awful the political-economic system is. Yet they are not feeling enough pain to seriously consider rebellion. And it is visceral pain that must drive people to the daring act of rebellion.

Why is there insufficient pain for revolution? This is a deadly serious issue. What is historically unique about America is that even the most oppressed and unfairly treated people are distracted by affordable materialism, entertainment, sports, gambling, and myriad other aspects of our frivolous, self-absorbed culture. Even failed school and health care systems do not drive people, paying enormous sums to fill up their SUVs, to rebellion. So, Americans are aware of their oppression, but the power elites have successfully drugged them with a plethora of pleasure-producing distractions sufficient to keep them under control. We are free to *****, but too weak to revolt. The Internet has provided a release valve for some pent up anger and frustration. But it too has mostly become another source of distraction, rather than an effective tool for rebellion.

Though these new poll statistics make news, those in control of the political-economic system are not afraid that the population is on the verge of retaking their constitutionally guaranteed sovereign power and take back their nation. Thousands of people like me keep writing books and articles and creating protest groups and events. Those in power just find new, ingenious ways to keep the population distracted – if not through pleasure, then certainly through fear of terrorism. Growing economic insecurity also contributes to self-paralysis, as do never-ending political lies.

What a system.

Even as the population has growing awareness of the dire condition of their nation, the move by the politically powerful on the right and left continues to seek a new immigration law that will solidify the selling out of America. Business interests want more of those fleeing Mexico and other nations to keep wages low. Instead of Mexicans rising up in rebellion against their oppressive government and economic system they escape to the USA. But Americans have no such viable escape solution. Though global warming will certainly make Canada increasingly attractive.

So what do Americans have – other than a terribly bleak future? Where is hope in our dismal world?

In a bizarre twist of history that further illustrates just how impotent Americans have become, virtually all citizens are either unaware of or unreceptive to the ultimate escape route that the Framers of our Constitution gave us. They anticipated that Americans could become quite dissatisfied with the federal government. They feared that the political system could become incredibly corrupted by moneyed interests. They were right.

So here we sit over 200 years after our nation was created unwilling to use what is explicitly given to us in Article V of the Constitution – the option to have a convention outside the control of Congress, the President and the Supreme Court to make proposals for constitutional amendments. Do we really believe in the rule of law? If so, then we should understand that the supreme law of the land – what is in our Constitution – is the ultimate way to obtain the deep political and government reforms to restore true democracy and economic fairness to our society.

Make no mistake: an Article V convention has been stubbornly opposed by virtually all groups with political and economic power. This is most evidenced by the blatant refusal of Congress to obey the Constitution and give us an Article V convention, even though the single explicit requirement for a convention has been met. This fact alone should tell rational people that they are being screwed and oppressed. The rule of law is trumped by the rule of delusion. Our lawmakers are lawbreakers.

Come learn more about the effort to get an Article V convention at www.foavc.org and become a member. Do not keep witnessing the unraveling of American society, voting for lesser evil candidates, and believing the propaganda that putting different Democrats or Republicans in office will actually improve things for most of us. Choose peaceful rebellion by using what our Constitution gives us. Fight self-delusion.

[Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy ( www.delusionaldemocracy.com ); and a founder of Friends of the Article V Convention ( www.foavc.org ).]
 

drippinhun

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We were "educated" to be compliant and our bellies are too full to get up in arms to stop a non-responsive government. Next, that government, owned by the billionaires, has already created defenses against a rebellious population that would shock the average person's sensibilities as to how ruthless they will be dealt with.

If after our democracy was blatantly stolen in the 2000 election and not more than a ***** fest occurred, that should have tipped anyone off to whether revolution is in our lifeblood or long lost.
 

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If we followed true moral principle, we wouldn't put druggies in prison, nor would we put anyone who is not violent in a prison... The law of our country is like the law of the pharisees, in that in places unbearable restrictions on human life... No can be fully held responsbile for such tyranny, so we don't really do anything about it... We accept the law, as if it is divine, when it is anything but.
 
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