Bad news for the Glbal Warming Zealots

chestnut

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Northeast in for coldest winter in a decade.

That's really gonna hurt em in congress.

John Kerry is already trying to change the name of the bill from Cap & Trade to Pollution Reduction.

What an a$$.
 
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Northeast in for coldest winter in a decade.

That's really gonna hurt em in congress.

John Kerry is already trying to change the name of the bill from Cap & Trade to Pollution Reduction.

What an a$$.

Did you ever study science at all? The weather on Earth is a heat engine, increasing the energy in the system increases the extremes of the weather--both hot and cold. Part of the reason that there is so much fluff being blown around about global warming/climate change is that too few people have the education to know when they are being bullshipped.

Oh yeah, don't put too much stock in the weather predictions either because they are notoriously inaccurate.
 
Did you ever study science at all? The weather on Earth is a heat engine, increasing the energy in the system increases the extremes of the weather--both hot and cold. Part of the reason that there is so much fluff being blown around about global warming/climate change is that too few people have the education to know when they are being bullshipped.

Oh yeah, don't put too much stock in the weather predictions either because they are notoriously inaccurate.
The climate is has always been changing. Nothing new now.

Where were all the people and the cars and airplanes and factories when we came out of the Ice Age?

We don't need to turn our country upside down and be feared into passing laws and raising taxes for something we cannot control.

Can we curtail pollution, yes. And we have and will continue.

Do humans contribute to the earth's climate changes. No.

And I don't want to see any posts relating to the findings from self-indulging United Nations.
They would like nothing more to re-distribute our wealth across the globe in way of cap an trade debits.
 
Yes, Mare, that's the "bullship" being touted. In point of fact, increasing the quantity of radiant gases with an emissivity high in the infrared spectrum will eventually net you LESS weather instead of more due to the tendency for energy to move about within the system radiantly instead of convectively. "Radiantly" means that the energy moves about moreso as infrared (read: everything equalizes more easily), while "convectively" means that the energy moves with the fluid masses due to gravity. CO2, though, was NEVER supposed to be the primary driver--it was only supposed to be an amplifier to the water component as humidity is way-the-heck-and-gone the primary greenhouse gas. In the effort to continue pumping out the "bullship" to press for the legislation that they want, they've said a lot of different things.

No, sorry, but ALL of the proposed legislation has only ONE practical use: to get The Masses to use LESS carbon-based energy because of Peak Oil and other energy and mineral resource depletion scenarios. Period. End of story. If we all do it "willingly" to "Save the Planet" then maybe, just maybe, "They" can manage a controlled demolition of civilization instead of a free-for-all land and resource grab (unimaginable wars and chaos). Fact is, we're going down and there's nothing whatsoever that we can do to stop it. None of you on either side of the political fence is going to be too happy with the outcome regardless of who seems to be in control.
 
Yes, Mare, that's the "bullship" being touted. In point of fact, increasing the quantity of radiant gases with an emissivity high in the infrared spectrum will eventually net you LESS weather instead of more due to the tendency for energy to move about within the system radiantly instead of convectively. "Radiantly" means that the energy moves about moreso as infrared (read: everything equalizes more easily), while "convectively" means that the energy moves with the fluid masses due to gravity. CO2, though, was NEVER supposed to be the primary driver--it was only supposed to be an amplifier to the water component as humidity is way-the-heck-and-gone the primary greenhouse gas. In the effort to continue pumping out the "bullship" to press for the legislation that they want, they've said a lot of different things.

No, sorry, but ALL of the proposed legislation has only ONE practical use: to get The Masses to use LESS carbon-based energy because of Peak Oil and other energy and mineral resource depletion scenarios. Period. End of story. If we all do it "willingly" to "Save the Planet" then maybe, just maybe, "They" can manage a controlled demolition of civilization instead of a free-for-all land and resource grab (unimaginable wars and chaos). Fact is, we're going down and there's nothing whatsoever that we can do to stop it. None of you on either side of the political fence is going to be too happy with the outcome regardless of who seems to be in control.

Well, by God, don't you have a positive attitude? So, if we are doomed no matter what we do, then there is no reason not to grab all the gusto you can and live for today, right? That attitude seems to be prevailing.
 
Well, by God, don't you have a positive attitude? So, if we are doomed no matter what we do, then there is no reason not to grab all the gusto you can and live for today, right? That attitude seems to be prevailing.
Never underestimate the strength of human bleakness, Mare.
 
Northeast in for coldest winter in a decade.

That's really gonna hurt em in congress.

John Kerry is already trying to change the name of the bill from Cap & Trade to Pollution Reduction.

What an a$$.
Coldest Winter in a decade = "Weather".
Warmest Summers on record, Warmest Winters over period of time = "Climate".
 
The climate is has always been changing. Nothing new now.

Where were all the people and the cars and airplanes and factories when we came out of the Ice Age?
They were creating much less carbon pollution, and had not deforested much of the earth.
We don't need to turn our country upside down and be feared into passing laws and raising taxes for something we cannot control.
I am not sure we cant do something to lessen the effects. But it is important to note that there is considerable growing costs associated with GW outside of any tax increase. Shipping costs have and will continue to increase based on iceberg avoidance alone.
Can we curtail pollution, yes. And we have and will continue.
Well not necessarily. As we saw with the Bush administration, the various environmental laws can get gutted fairly easily. Either way, banning a pesticide here and there only dealing with so much. Our collective goal should be getting off burning oil to generate electricity and powering vehicles.
Do humans contribute to the earth's climate changes. No.

And I don't want to see any posts relating to the findings from self-indulging United Nations.
They would like nothing more to re-distribute our wealth across the globe in way of cap an trade debits.
You see Chestnut, this is you and I differ. Firstly, I think very credible evidence exists to support that increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere leading to an overall warming of the earth. I also think that humans are a major contributor to this increase.
As a matter of fact I have seen with my own eyes the very negative effects and very expensive costs associated with shoreline erotion.

Then there is the additional and more important factor here that most of the folks who choose to bury thier head in sand concerning the problems with global warming and that seems to be consistent among conservative circles which is to reject any differing opinion offhand that doesnt fit thier specific agenda. Its deja vu WMDs!
 
Northeast in for coldest winter in a decade.

That's really gonna hurt em in congress.

John Kerry is already trying to change the name of the bill from Cap & Trade to Pollution Reduction.

What an a$$.
Gee....bu$ine$$-intere$t$ manipulating The Markethttp://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/09/29/74546/the-smoking-gun-in-natgas/ (while it also gooses the Freepers & Dead-O-Heads).

Who'd have guessed it.....

:rolleyes:

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Y'all oughta' do a search on "YAD061", which is quickly becoming a very famous tree. Seems as though the Ol' Hockey Stick is based on some VERY cherry-picked data.

But it WASN'T a cherry tree...

Yamal!
 
Did you ever study science at all? The weather on Earth is a heat engine, increasing the energy in the system increases the extremes of the weather--both hot and cold. Part of the reason that there is so much fluff being blown around about global warming/climate change is that too few people have the education to know when they are being bullshipped.

Oh yeah, don't put too much stock in the weather predictions either because they are notoriously inaccurate.

So as temperature goes up the extremes get more extreme?

When do you suppose was the lat time that the global temperature went up was?

And if the temp has been going down what explains the alleged extremes?
 
So as temperature goes up the extremes get more extreme?

When do you suppose was the lat time that the global temperature went up was?

And if the temp has been going down what explains the alleged extremes?

Not sure what you're aiming at here. Global temp overall is rising, ocean temps are rising, temp extremes are getting greater, what's your question?

I'm not aware that the global temp has been going down, got a link?
 
ARGO says ocean temps haven't been rising since they installed the system and there AIN'T a bigger system for determining that than ARGO. As a matter of fact, it's been a pretty big embarrassment for them. Huge. Arctic sea ice areal minimums haven't exactly been playing ball, either:

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The satellite sensors that have been powering NSIDC and Cryosphere Today blitzed out a few months ago and now they're trying to cabbage a totalization out of what's left making some pretty questionable data lately, so I'm afraid we're pretty much left with the Japanese satellite for any kind of decent, continuous track record for the last decade.

The "Super El Nino" that Hansen was sacrificing virgins for this year fizzled sumpin' awful, AND... The Hockey Stick has been proved to be such a worthless piece of crap that it ain't funny. Hurricanes have been down this year in the Atlantic although the monsoon season in the Pacific has been a tad on the nasty side, but that crap's been going on for eons.

If you want to take a really long track, the beginning of the Holocene Optimum about ~9,000 years ago was much warmer globally than today. We've actually been going downhill since then towards the next glacial period (we're on the tail end of the latest "interglacial").
 
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Not sure what you're aiming at here. Global temp overall is rising, ocean temps are rising, temp extremes are getting greater, what's your question?

I'm not aware that the global temp has been going down, got a link?

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) concluded that anthropogenic CO2 emissions probably caused more than half of the “global warming” of the past 50 years and would cause further rapid warming. However, global mean surface temperature has not risen since 1998 and may have fallen since late 2001. The present analysis suggests that the failure of the IPCC’s models to predict this and many other climatic phenomena arises from defects in its evaluation of the three factors whose product is climate sensitivity:"
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

The Hadley Centre for Climate Change, part of the UK Met Office, tracks global temperature and shows a big drop in global temperature anomalies since January 2007. Based on the HadCRUT3 system of observed temperatures, global surface temperature anomalies have been trending down since 2001. January 2008 had the coldest anomaly since 1995.
http://www.nbcaugusta.com/internal?st=print&id=16011587&path=/weather/news

Before the 1998 El Nino there was no warming trend in the 1980s and 1990s. The 1998 El Nino resulted in a step change of temperature of about 0.2C. After the 1998 El Nino there has been no warming trend in the 2000s.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_SimplifiedNutshell.htm

The media stories often report temperature increases over the last century and attribute it to anthropogenic (human caused) CO2 based global warming. The official position of the IPCC, however, is that anthropogenic CO2 has only caused warming since 1970.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_SimplifiedNutshell.htm

This is why the IPCC temperature plot shown above from the AR4 released in 2007 does not show temperatures past the year 2000. Even though the atmospheric CO2 has steadily increased, the temperatures have not.
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_SimplifiedNutshell.htm

In other words, the data show that since 1998 there has been a rapid and large cooling of the earth's temperatures reversing one hundred years of global warming.
http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.com/2008/06/global-temperature-falls-again.html

All five global temperature estimates presently show stagnation, at least since 2002. There has been no increase in global air temperature since 1998, which was affected by the oceanographic El Niño event. This does not exclude the possibility that global temperatures will begin to increase again later. On the other hand, it also remain a possibility that Earth just now is passing a temperature peak, and that global temperatures will begin to decrease within the coming 5-10 years. Only time will show which of these possibilities is the correct. Click here to read a few additional reflections on the recent period of global temperature stagnation.
http://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm
 
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