Congress is still fooling 12% of the population

[PLC1]

In general, when the Dems control Congress they use some form of PayGo. Yes they spend, but they also generally pay opfr the spending. Keynesian economics do say, however, when the private sector isn't spending then the public sector must spend. This disaster we are in right now is one of those times. Also, Democrats are not afraid of asking Americans to pay a fair share for taxes, and Americans respond by paying a fair share.

Any fair review of where America's debt has come from points to Ronald Reagan and Bush(43). The destruction caused by those tax cuts 10 years ago are still killing us.

That was true up to 2008. The combination of TARP and the stimulus has created deficits not seen since WWII.

The American people know that we need to have both tax increases and spending cuts. Most of us know that health care costs are bankrupting the government and the private sector. They know that we're in quicksand and sinking fast.

Yet, what do we get from Washington? It's all the other party's fault.

 

[clarkatticus]

That was true up to 2008. The combination of TARP and the stimulus has created deficits not seen since WWII.

The American people know that we need to have both tax increases and spending cuts. Most of us know that health care costs are bankrupting the government and the private sector. They know that we're in quicksand and sinking fast.

Yet, what do we get from Washington? It's all the other party's fault.

Tarp was mostly paid back and the stimulus was under a trillion, the wars were unfunded, big pharma was unfunded,the tax cuts were unbalanced, and the financial institutions took trillions out of the economy destroying growth and putting us in this mess. Tarp and the stimulus were the only thing that worked (to some extent). Add up the cost of Obama's spending and it doesn't come close to what Bush spent in his phony budgets where he didn't even include the wars and plan C in his budgets.

 

[Gipper]

Poll: Congress' approval rating reaches all-time low of 12%



Could it be that people are getting tired of partisan BS?

I love it when lefties complain about partisanship. They only complain when conservative politicians have some power and refuse to go along with the left wing agenda.

When the Commies (D Party) had total control of both houses and a Marxist in the WH, we heard not a word about partisanship.

I would advise you lefties that partisanship will get worse as the welfare state is dismantled. The Commies do not intend to go away peacefully. They ultimately ALWAYS resort to violence to get their way.

 

[clarkatticus]

I love it when lefties complain about partisanship. They only complain when conservative politicians have some power and refuse to go along with the left wing agenda.

When the Commies (D Party) had total control of both houses and a Marxist in the WH, we heard not a word about partisanship.

I would advise you lefties that partisanship will get worse as the welfare state is dismantled. The Commies do not intend to go away peacefully. They ultimately ALWAYS resort to violence to get their way.

Really? You don't remember Obama trying to work with the GOP on a health bill? No, of course not, all those GOP ideas in the bill don't count. An the stimulus plan that was cut drastically to appease GOP feelings (as if they have any)? Sorry Gipper, yer boat don't float.

 

[Gipper]

Really? You don't remember Obama trying to work with the GOP on a health bill? No, of course not, all those GOP ideas in the bill don't count. An the stimulus plan that was cut drastically to appease GOP feelings (as if they have any)? Sorry Gipper, yer boat don't float.

Oh my boat floats big time Clark Kent.

BO really worked with the GOP on Obummercare. He worked so hard that NOT ONE R VOTED for that piece of sh*t legislation. Now that is partisanship...yet you are cool with it.

Wake up!

 

[ProudLefty]

Oh my boat floats big time Clark Kent.

BO really worked with the GOP on Obummercare. He worked so hard that NOT ONE R VOTED for that piece of sh*t legislation. Now that is partisanship...yet you are cool with it.

Wake up!

Historically one party never votes solidly, as a bloc, against any legislation. The fact that it is happening now says more about that party than it does the other party, the legislation, or America. It is clear that Mitch McConnell was serious: Republicans have one goal. This vote was just a selfish political ploy designed to weaken America in an effort to ensure that Obama is a one-term president.

The point Clarkatticus was making, and that you derided and then derailed, is that Republicans demanded changes in the legislation, got the changes, then voted against their own changes. The fact is simple: Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer.

 

[Dr.Who]

Really? You don't remember Obama trying to work with the GOP on a health bill? No, of course not, all those GOP ideas in the bill don't count. An the stimulus plan that was cut drastically to appease GOP feelings (as if they have any)? Sorry Gipper, yer boat don't float.

What makes you think there are GOP ideas in the bill? Was it that a democrat said they are there? Did any pubs say they are in there? Are there any genuine and meaningful GOP ideas in the bill or is there only lip service and bribes?

Taking something from Romneys oh so not conservative health care plan does not qualify as a conservative idea even if it did come from a pub. The pres took liberal ideas that a pub or two agreed with and then tried to call that conservative.

The Pres even tried to say that he borrowed ideas from Heritage, Of course Heritage rightly points out that he changed them so much that they were hardly recognizable.

But lets pretend that he did take conservative ideas. Marx only unionized the industrial centers at first and left all the farms untouched for a long time. But I would never claim that he believed in those capitalist ideas.

 

[Dr.Who]

The point Clarkatticus was making, and that you derided and then derailed, is that Republicans demanded changes in the legislation, got the changes, then voted against their own changes. The fact is simple: Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer.

Lets dissect some of those. Pick one and then we will see.

 

[ProudLefty]

Lets dissect some of those. Pick one and then we will see.

Sure. The health care bill, Especially the individual mandate. Thats a pretty good place to start. The individual mandate was a Republican idea, was sponsored by Republicans, and was copied from what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts. Yet when it was passed, Republicans came all unglued and demanded repeal of it.

 

[Gipper]

Historically one party never votes solidly, as a bloc, against any legislation. The fact that it is happening now says more about that party than it does the other party, the legislation, or America. It is clear that Mitch McConnell was serious: Republicans have one goal. This vote was just a selfish political ploy designed to weaken America in an effort to ensure that Obama is a one-term president.

The point Clarkatticus was making, and that you derided and then derailed, is that Republicans demanded changes in the legislation, got the changes, then voted against their own changes. The fact is simple: Republicans refuse to take yes for an answer.

What the vote on Obummercare clearly reveals is one party is a socialist party pushing socialist legislation OVER the objections of a majority of the American people. The other party is a small part conservative with some larger parts progressive and even they would not vote for the disastrous legislation. And, they voted in a solid BLOCK (ALL OF THEM) against Obummercare. Just as the socialists voted in a solid block.

The deal is you lefties WANT the government to take care of you and you do not care one wit about the cost or the destructive nature of a omnipresent all powerful central state. This will ultimately lead to the destruction of the republic, which you do not care about either.

 

[Dr.Who]

Sure. The health care bill, Especially the individual mandate. Thats a pretty good place to start. The individual mandate was a Republican idea, was sponsored by Republicans, and was copied from what Mitt Romney did in Massachusetts. Yet when it was passed, Republicans came all unglued and demanded repeal of it.

The pubs are not monolithic. Some of them never supported it and after it was in the bill still did not support it. Some felt that the changes to the idea altered it enough to make it not the same. Clearly in the context of a bill that is nothing short of European type socialism an individual mandate would have a decidedly more socialistic flavor and would be rejected. Some would have changed their minds based on legal cases that occurred between the conservative proposal years before and the obama proposal later.

But some were opportunistic politicians who jump on any popular bandwagon.

Most importantly we would not expect a person to embrace a bill because it contained one item that they supported at one time but was awful in so many ways regardless of whose idea that was.

Regardless I have opposed an individual mandate ever since learning what it is and am just glad that it was opposed.

 

[clarkatticus]

It would be difficult to find a single piece of legislation passed during the Pelosi reign that had a single GOP vote in it. The GOP may not be monolithic now, but they were then. It really wouldn't matter what legislation was presented, the GOP has no intention of giving any bill they do not sponser an up vote, they say it's principle, I say they are hogtied by the extreme right and are too gutless to compromise.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

If Obama said today I want to cut spending by 4 trillion dollars and cut taxes on the richest americans by 15%....Republicans would vote no....just because...and then call him a socialist...

 

[ProudLefty]

If Obama said today I want to cut spending by 4 trillion dollars and cut taxes on the richest americans by 15%....Republicans would vote no....just because...and then call him a socialist...

Why of course. They would be against Obama's job-killing tax cuts and against Obama's job-killing spending cuts.

They would be announcing their own job-creating tax cuts and their own job-creating spending cuts "on the second or third Tuesday of next week" and demanding this weak President come up with a plan as good as theirs.

 

[Gipper]

If Obama said today I want to cut spending by 4 trillion dollars and cut taxes on the richest americans by 15%....Republicans would vote no....just because...and then call him a socialist...

What? I think you have that wrong.

If your Messiah did the things you say, NOT ONE Commie (Dem) would vote for it along with a lot of Rs.

So, your post is completely nonsensical....like most of them...but it does reveal your belief in silliness.