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[palerider]

No worries then ! Because it has been by no means a steady stream of offences and I'll wait for you to demonstrate otherwise since you're making that claim.

622 CE: Following the embarrassments of the Satanic Verses and hallucinogenic Night’s Journey aboard the flying ass, Muhammad was run out of Mecca. In his meeting with 12 warlords from Yathrib, today’s Medina at a waddi called Aqaba, the first Muslims "Pledge to wage war against all mankind," and the Islamic Era officially began.

623 CE: Muslims drew first blood, killing one Meccan and kidnapping another at Nakhla. They plundered their caravan and brought the booty back to Muhammad.

624 CE: Muhammad led the first Muslims out to plunder a Meccan caravan at Badr. They missed the target but encountered some Meccan merchants who had gone out to protect their business interests from the Islamic raiders. The Muslims killed 70 Meccan merchants, most of whom they were related to, and took almost that many Meccans captive. The hostages were ransomed back to their families, creating an Islamic precedent that is followed today. The Qur’an’s 8th surah is revealed as a situational scripture to justify fighting and stealing.

624 CE: Muhammad laid siege to the richest Jewish settlement in Yathrib. After forcing the Banu Qaynuqa into the desert to die, Muhammad stole their homes, land, businesses, farms, and treasure. The Qur’an’s 59th, 61st, 62nd, 63rd, and 64th surahs are revealed to beguile the Muslims into believing that what they were doing was religious and good.

625 CE: The Muslims continued to terrorize and rob the Meccans, so they went to Yathrib/Medina to stop the source of their pain. Thinking they had killed Muhammad at Uhud, as well as most of his jihadists, the Meccans returned home. Since the terrorist religion was an inch from being destroyed, Muhammad contrived the 3rd surah, in which Allah tells Muslims that he will kill those who don’t fight for Islam.

625 CE: Needing to satiate the covetous bloodlust of his mercenaries, Muhammad decided to plunder the second largest Jewish community in Yathrib. The defenseless Banu Nadir Jews were starved into submission by the Muslims and forced out into the desert to die. Once again, Muhammad stole their homes, land, businesses, farms, and treasure. Muhammad had become so sexually perverted, and such a ruthless megalomaniac, he made up the 33rd surah, the Qur’an’s most immoral rant to justify his despicable life. Allah approves rape and incest

627 CE: The Banu Qurayza Jewish settlement in Yathrib/Medina was next. After starving them into surrender, Muhammad had his goons dig trenches in the center of Medina. He had every Jewish man and boy over the age of 12 tied hand and neck. In small batches he paraded 900 of them out and in his presence, he had his mujahideen cut off their heads over the open trench - pushing their bodies in. Muhammad after picking the most attractive Jewish widow for himself, used lots to determine a selection order for his followers to choose their rape victims. The Jewish children were then enslaved and sold to buy more weapons. Portions of the 33rd surah were revealed to demonstrate that Allah was a terrorist, slave trader, and murdering thief.

628 CE: Terror became Islam’s signature act with raids launched against the Lihyan and Banu Mustaliq Arabs. The Qur’an’s 24th surah was revealed at this time to get the pedophile prophet out of a prickly situation with his child wife.
Allah’s Messenger assembled a considerable force of jihadists to plunder his hometown of Mecca - a mud hut village of 5,000 people that was home to Allah’s rock pile of rock gods known as the Ka’aba. Muhammad became got scared, and rather than sack his relatives, he signed the Treaty of Hudaybiyah, where he denied that he was a prophet and that Allah was God. The Qur’an’s 4th surah is revealed telling Muslims how they are to fight.

Without the plunder the jihadists expected from Mecca, the first Muslims turned on Muhammad in a massive rebellion. So the Islamic warlord did what all despots do - he found a patsy for his marauding hoard. On their way back to Yathrib/Medina Muhammad’s mujahideen perpetrated a terrorist raid on the Khaybar Jewish community. The farming village was savagely conquered and plundered. Its leadership was tortured at Muhammad’s behest. The men were murdered and the women were raped, with Muhammad again personally participating. And the Muslims stole the Jewish homes, property, and possessions. Once again, the Jewish children were enslaved and used to buy more weapons and build a larger militia. The Qur’an’s 49th surah is revealed in order to reestablish Muhammad’s tattered reputation. It is particularly despicable.

629 CE: In anticipation of dishonoring his sworn commitment to the Meccans at Hudaybiyah, where Muhammad promised not to terrorize the Meccans for ten years, Islam’s prophet revealed the 66th surah in which he says: "Allah has sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows." Islam’s god authorized his lone witness to lie. He then recited the 48th surah in which peaceful Muslims who did not wish to fight were told that they would be tortured by Allah. Then he said in the 47th surah, "So when you clash with the unbelieving infidels in battle smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. When you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making them captives...Thus you are commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

With that inspiration, Muhammad’s mujahideen assaulted and plundered the Arab villages of Mulawwih, Banu Bakr, Harith, Kadid, Salasil, Jusham, and Idam in a series of terrorist raids. Muhammad then sent them to attack the Byzantines near the Syrian town of Mu’ta, where the jihadists fought their first battle against an actual army and were soundly defeated.

630 CE: Muhammad revealed the Qur’an’s second to last surah moments before his conquest of Mecca. In the 9th surah, the Qur’an’s war manifesto, we find: "This announcement from Allah and his Messenger [Muhammad] to the [Muslim] people on the day of the Great Pilgrimage [to attack Mecca]: Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with unbelievers." Outnumbering the Meccan merchants two to one, Muhammad’s mujahideen conquer his hometown and force everyone to surrender to Islam or die.
On their way back home, the Islamic jihadists terrorize the Arab towns of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.

631 CE: Having over hunted Jews and Arabs, Muhammad turned his sights on the Byzantine Christians. He revealed the Qur’an’s final surah, the 5th, to turn Christians into the enemy of Islam even though no Christian had ever spoken a word to or laid a finger on a single Muslim. With his justification in hand, Muhammad assembled a militia of 30,000 mujahideen and assaulted Tabuk in today’s Syria. He gave the Christians an ultimatum: "Pay me or die."

632 CE: Muhammad dies a miserable death. Under the Caliphate (Deputy of the Prophet) of Abu Bakr Islamic jihadists led a crusade to conquer all of Arabia. Arabs would either submit or die.

After conquering Arabia and forever denying the Arabs of their freedoms, Abu Bakr’s jihadists plundered Yemen. There, Mussailima, another false prophet indistinguishable from Muhammad, is conquered. Muslims then wage war in the communities of Zu Qissa, Abraq, Buzakha, Zafar, Naqra, and Bani Tamim. (Tabari Volume 10).

633 CE: The Muslim mujahideen led by Khalid al-Walid, the new religion’s most bloodthirsty terrorist, whom Muhammad himself had nicknamed the "Sword of Allah" for his ferocity and proclivity to tie women’s and children’s hands behind their backs and then cut off their heads, conquered the Persian city of Ullays along the Euphrates River in today’s Iraq. Khalid beheads so many civilians that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal. (Tabari Volume 11:24).

In the months which follow, Khalid’s mujahideen assault Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah, and Hadramaut. Islam’s second most famous terrorist raids towns across Iraq, and lays siege to Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at Tamr, Jandal, Firaz, and Daumatul.

634 CE: At the battles of Basra and Ajnadin Damascus in Syria the Muslim jihadists defeated Byzantine regiments. Today, Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the Islamic victory, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid. "Armies become numerous only with victory and few with defeat. By Allah, I would love it...if the enemy were twice as many." (Tabari Volume 11:94). Bin Laden quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This affinity for death comes directly from the Qur’an and Hadith where Muhammad and Allah say that dying in jihad killing infidels is the surest path to paradise.

Abu Bakr dies and the Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab begins. His was particularly brutal. Immediately he attacks Namaraq and Saqatia.

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[palerider]

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635 CE: Muslim mujahideen besieged and conquered Damascus. They fought and won the battles of the Bridge, Buwaib, and Fahl. They go on to conquer Damascus.

636 CE: Islamic jihadists attacked and defeated the weakened Byzantines again at Yarmuk. They fight and win at Madain.

637 CE: Syria falls to the Islamic onslaught. Then the Muslim crusaders conquered large portions of western Persia in today’s Iraq, beginning at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah. Muslim mujahideen occupy the Persian capital of Ctesiphon.

638 CE: Islamic raiders attacked and defeated the Roman Byzantines at the Battle of Yarmouk. Muslims enter, occupy, and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. All Judea is claimed under the sword of Islam. Muslims go on to raid Jalula and Jazirah and continue their conquest of Syria, today’s Jordan, and Lebanon.

On the Eastern front, Islamic armies conquer eastern Persia in today’s Iran, leaving only the Caspian Sea region firmly under Persian control.

639 CE: Islamic raiders conquer Khuzestan in the east and enter and begin plundering Egypt in the west, burning its libraries and defacing its monumental history.

640 CE: Muslim jihadists capture Caesaria in Syria and Shustar Jande Sabur in Persia. They fight the battle of Babylon.

On the Western Front, Islam completes its conquest of Egyptian cities in the north, stealing them from the Romans. Arabia, Egypt, Persia, and the Fertile Crescent are now the personal fiefdoms of four Islamic Caliphs.

641 CE: Muslim crusaders who bypassed the countryside of Syria and Judea en route to Egypt, returned to raise their swords over everyone’s head. They attack Nihawand and then conquer Alexandria in Egypt.

On the Eastern Front, Islam conquers and occupies all of today’s Iraq, taking it from the Persians.

642 CE: Islamic mujahideen fight the Battle of Rayy in Persia. Moving south on the Western Front, they conquer all of Egypt.

643 CE: In the north, Islam’s army conquers Azerbaijan and Tabaristan in today’s Russia.

644 CE: The Islamic killing machine sacks and plunders Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab was assassinated. Uthman ibn Affan was appointed the third Caliph. Since Uthman’s family rejected Muhammad’s claim of being the Messenger of Allah, Islam divides with Shia rioters campaigning for the empowerment of Ali, Muhammad’s cousin, adopted son, and son-in-law.

646 CE: Muslims battle in Khurasan, Armenia, and Asia Minor throughout the Caucasus.

647 CE: Islamists savagely plunder North Africa. Islamic jihadists conquered the Island of Cyprus. They besieged and plundered Tripoli in North Africa. And they forcibly established Islam as the only acceptable religion in today’s Iran, Iraq, Arabia, and Afghanistan.

648 CE: The Muslim armies were unified and positioned against the Byzantines.

650 CE: The Islamic conquest and occupation of Persia was completed. The entire realm of history’s oldest and most powerful empires surrendered under the assault of bloody swords when resistance became futile.

651 CE: Muslims won the Battle of the Masts against the Byzantines and nearly captured the Byzantine emperor.

652 CE: The Islamic assault stalled and the Muslim mujahideen openly displayed their hostility toward Uthman.

654 CE: Islam’s conquest of North Africa was all but completed. Only Morocco remained free. Muslims now established new fiefdoms throughout the region they occupied.

656 CE: The Sunni Caliph Uthman was assassinated by Muslim soldiers. Ali ibn Abi Talib, adopted son, son-in-law, and cousin to Muhammad, was given the Caliphate. His claim to the throne was having married the prophet’s daughter Fatima. Killing the Caliph to become Caliph would become standard operating procedure in the Islamic world.

In the battle of the Camel, Aisha, Muhammad’s child wife, led a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s Shia partisans won.

657 CE: In more infighting between Shia and Sunni Muslims (today called "sectarian violence"), the battle of Siffin between Ali and the Muslim governor of Jerusalem, went against Ali. Forced out of Medina, Ali moved the Shia capital of Islam to Kufa in Iraq.

658 CE: Major battles were fought by Muslims in Nahrawan and then in Egypt, where the last pockets of resistance were suppressed. The Umayyad and then Abbasid caliphates would control Egypt until 868 CE.

660 CE: Ali’s forces recaptured the Hijaz (Mecca-Medina area) and Yemen from their Sunni Muslim rival, Mu’awiyah. So Mu’awiyah declared himself Caliph and sets up his throne in Damascus.

661 CE: Ali was assassinated by a rival Sunni Muslim. Ali’s supporters formed the Shi’ite political/religious party and promoted his son Hasan to Caliph. They insisted that a blood descendant of Muhammad wield control over all Muslims. Hasan, however, not wanting to be the next to die, came to an accommodation with Muawiyyah, a relative of Uthman, and abdicated the throne, retiring to Medina.

The Caliphate of Muawiyyah I began. He founds the Sunni Umayyid Dynasty and officially moved the capital of the Islamic Empire from uncivilized Medina to urbane Damascus. What is interesting about this is that even though Damascus, unlike Mecca and Medina, was a literate community, and although we have countless records of Umayyid battles, tax collections, and political promotions.

There were no Qur’ans or any other written basis for the religion of Islam when its mujahideen were conquering the world. And that means they were doing it for booty, not religion.

The Umayyid Dynasty would retain dictatorial control over all territories conquered by Islam through 750 CE.

662 CE: All of the Arabian Peninsula and today’s Iran and Iraq were unified under the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates. Their reign of oppression would last until 1258.

666 CE: Muslim crusaders raided the island of Sicily.

670 CE: Islamic armies continued to plunder portions of North Africa on the Western Front. Jihadists reach and conquer Morocco. The entire region was now under the control of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates.
The Eastern Army captured Kabul in Afghanistan. Soon Islam would control and occupy all of the Caucasus and Caspian region.

672 CE: Muslims storm the island of Rhodes, placing it under the dominion of their swords.

673 CE: The Islamic armies begin the Khurasan campaign.

674 CE: Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.

677 CE: Islam’s militants occupy Samarkand and Tirmiz.

678 CE: Muslim armies besieged Constantinople, the capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

680 CE: Caliph Mu’awiyah died and Hussein (Hussain) (Muhammad’s grandson by way of Ali), his family, and his supporters were massacred in Karbala, Iraq by the Sunni Umayyids. As a result, Yazid gained control of Muhammad’s legacy.

682 CE: In North Africa Uqba bin Nafe marched to the Atlantic. He was ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuated Qairowan and withdrew to Burqa.

683 CE: Caliph Yazid died. Mu’awiyah II is crowned king .

684 CE: Abdullah bin Zubair declared himself Caliph at Mecca. Marwan I, disputes the claim and names himself Caliph in Damascus. All the while the Islamic assault marched on with the Battle of Marj Rahat.

685 CE: Marwan I died so Abdul Malik became the Caliph in Damascus. Not losing focus, the Islamic mujahideen fought the Battle of Ain ul Wada.
686 CE: Mukhtar declared himself Caliph at Kufa, Iraq. Being the supreme potentate of a religious empire was profitable.

687 CE: The Battle of Kufa was waged between the Islamic forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah bin Zubair. Mukhtar was killed.

691 CE: Muslims went on to fight the Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. But then Kufa fell to Abdul Malik.

The first Dome of the Rock was completed on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It commemorates Muhammad’s hallucinogenic Night’s Journey aboard a flying ass from Mecca to Jerusalem following the debacle of the Satanic Verses. Allah’s lone spokesperson claimed to have met all of the Jewish prophets in the Temple which had been destroyed over six centuries earlier and then leapt up to heaven.

692 CE: With the fall of Mecca to Abdul Malik, and the death of Abdullah bin Zubair, Malik became the sole Caliph.

695 CE: The Khawarij revolt in Jazira and Ahwaz shook Islam. Muslims however won the Battle of the Karun. Then a campaign against Kahina in North Africa was launched. Unsuccessful, the Muslims once again withdrew to Barqa. Next, Islamic forces advanced on Transoxiana and occupied Kish.

Should I continue this Lilly? I can and it goes year by bloody year right up to 2007. The story doesn't change much until about the 15th century when islam begins to be beaten back into the middle east where it becomes a festering sore that lashes out at anyone who comes into contact with it and at its self if no infidels are available.

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[palerider]

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1. So you don't like the image of God that he has. Recalling that Islam is 700 years younger than Christianity, need I remind you of some of the writings of the Church Fathers?

Yeah. His god is, by his own admission, a dark and demented spirit that dwells in hell. Which one of the church fathers are you suggesting promoted the idea that a spirit from hell talked to Moses?

2. Incorrect: the most reiterated message in the Koran is about man's obligation to submit to God.

Sorry Lilly, but you are wrong. There are more admonitions to submit to muhammad himself than to submit to his dark demented lord.

Are you done yet, lathering up against Muhammed ? How on earth do you come by such vitriol against a man who has so little connection with you ?

This is history Lilly. How much respect would you have for a religion based on the life and exploits of genghis khan? Well, kahn was a lightweight thug compared to muhammad.

*The youngest wife Muhammed obtained was nine, not six.

Sorry lilly. She was six.

Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six."



Right.

*I also believe you are mistaken about his converting any Arabs at swordpoint, but I'll have to check that.

Feel free. There is ample evidence however, in the material I provided above.

*I've never heard most of the other items in your inventory against him ...is it remotely possible that you could provide an unbiased citation for them ?

It is clear that your research into islam and muhammad goes no further than the sanitized PC history that is promoted by the left.

I repeat. People who believe that islam is a religion of peace don't know sheep sh*t from wild honey.

Once again I challenge you to show me this history in which you claim there has been "a steady stream of offences" against non-Muslims by Muslims for 1400 years.

If you want me to pick up where I left off, I can continue to the present Lilly.

Quite plainly it cannot be found; except possibly in some revisionist history book used at your Bible college.

Insults now? I didn't attend bible college for any of my degrees. I did teach some history though and am quite confident of my sources. If you can repudiate any of the information that I have given, please do so.

it IS "right" that the Israelites were polygamous also.
Is that something you have overlooked in your studies ?

When did I complain about polygamy? muhammad wasn't just a polygamist, he was a pedophile. A raping, murdering, thieving, sadistic, pedophile.

Mature of you to say that, palerider.

you are claiming that it isn't true? You are clearly an apologist who has taken very little time, if any at all, to look past the PC version of islam to see what is behind the pretty curtain.

Since you seem concerned about what is attractive on an internet debate board, let me suggest that *rigorous institutional hatred of an entire population* might not function for you as much of a chick-magnet, either.

I'm not trolling for chicks Lilly. Haven't trolled for chicks in almost 40 years. But if I were, I wouldn't want to catch any that I had to lie to in order to impress them with my sensitivity.

Whatever you might think of Muhammed, it appears certain that you have dispensed with the 'questioning' of those who follow that religion, and gone right on to conviction and sentencing.

Questioning? Are you serious. You have been an eye witness to at least some portion of history. There is no need for me to convict them, their actions speak for themselves. A terror attack speaks far more eloquently to the nature of islam than I ever could.

 

[Friendindeed]

"Insults now?"

You have insulted her too before that.
Hello?
The two of you are the only ones on this thread for the last eight days.
Maybe time to let it die.

 

[palerider]

"Insults now?"

You have insulted her too before that.
Hello?
The two of you are the only ones on this thread for the last eight days.
Maybe time to let it die.

Maybe we enjoy the discussion. Tell you what, if I get to the point where I am not sure whether to let it go or continue, I will consult with you about it.

 

[Lilly Marlene]

...Should I continue this Lilly? I can and it goes year by bloody year right up to 2007. The story doesn't change much until about the 15th century when islam begins to be beaten back into the middle east where it becomes a festering sore that lashes out at anyone who comes into contact with it and at its self if no infidels are available.

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Yes, you really should. After all, you told me there was a steady stream of offences for 1400 years.
Thus far you have covered 73 years ...

and done so using a manifestly biased source which you have seen fit not to name.

 

[Lilly Marlene]

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Yeah. His god is, by his own admission, a dark and demented spirit that dwells in hell. Which one of the church fathers are you suggesting promoted the idea that a spirit from hell talked to Moses?

I didn't say any of them promoted that idea. I said they wrote vivid descriptions of hell.

Sorry Lilly, but you are wrong. There are more admonitions to submit to muhammad himself than to submit to his dark demented lord.

That can only be determined if we do a count of the admonitions. I have never seen a quote from the Koran demanding that people submit to Muhammed. I'm not saying there isn't any because I surely have not read that much of it.
But it seems to me that if that were the most frequent admonition, I would have heard one (whereas I HAVE heard admonitions to submit to Allah.

This is history Lilly. How much respect would you have for a religion based on the life and exploits of genghis khan? Well, kahn was a lightweight thug compared to muhammad.

How much respect one would or would not have for the religion ... is not finally the point here, palerider. Whatever their religion they are still people just like us.
Their feet fall asleep, they bleed red, and they love their children.

Sorry lilly. She was six.

Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six."

Alright, I am going to check that one because it is not what I've heard.

Insults now? I didn't attend bible college ...

Please, palerider.

Who was it who wished to voice concerns about how "not attractive" I was ...and who just finished calling me "an apologist" [for Islam].

The source of misunderstanding seems to be the difference between when M. WROTE the wedding contract vs. when they consummated the marriage [and possibly also the fact that she was nine years old when the historic flight ("Hijira") took place]. So in a technical sense you are correct, to the extent that the contract was written that early.

From www.Americanthinker.com:

The hadith says of her age:

. . . [T]hen he [Muhammad] wrote the marriage (wedding) contract with Aishah when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed [sic, consummated] that marriage when she was nine years old. (Bukhari; once the readers click on this link, they should please read the parallel hadith below this one.)

I have to leave now for the rest of the afternoon ...I would like to know the source you used for your 73-year span of historic events. Also I saw that you replied to me on another thread so I'll see that next time.

Have a very nice Sunday,
Lilly

 

[palerider]

Yes, you really should. After all, you told me there was a steady stream of offences for 1400 years.
Thus far you have covered 73 years ...

and done so using a manifestly biased source which you have seen fit not to name.

I have given you historical fact Lilly. If I am wrong in any of it, feel free to point out any inaccuracy.

Continuing...


700 CE: Muslim armies fought against the Berbers in North Africa.

702 CE: Islam endured the Ashath rebellion in Iraq and fought the battle of Deir ul Jamira.

710 CE: On the Eastern Front, Muslim crusaders conquered the lower Indus Valley. On the Western Front, Tariq ibn Malik crossed the Gibraltar straight separating Africa and Europe with a group of Muslims and entered Europe for the first time.

711 CE: A 7,000 strong Islamic army under the command of Tariq ibn Malik invaded and conquered Spain, imposing the kingdom of Andalus. Almost all of the Iberian Peninsula submits to the sword of Islam.

Muslims advanced on Sindh in Afghanistan and Transoxiana and then conquered Multan.

712 CE: With their recent conquests of Spain, the countryside of Egypt, and Morocco, the Islamic Empire now occupied and oppressed most all of the Persian and Roman Empires. The enormous, aggressive, and rapid land grab had all been achieved with the sword.

716 CE: Muslims invaded Constantinople but failed in their attempt to take the Christian capital.

718 CE: The Islamic invasion, conquest, and occupation of Spain was completed.

719 CE: Cordova, Spain became the capital of Islamic Europe.
725 CE: The Islamic conquest of Western Europe reached it zenith with Muslims occupying Nimes in France.

732 CE: The Muslim crusaders were stopped at the Battle of Poitiers (Tours). Muslim armies continued to advance in Asia and Africa.

In this year, the first century of Islam came to an end. It had been marked by death and destruction. A religion had been fed by plunder and it had expanded on the backs of its bloodied victims. There is almost nothing good that can be said of Islam’s first century. The religion has been a curse on all mankind.

737 CE: The Muslim mujahideen suffered another defeat at Avignon in France.

740 CE: Shia Muslims revolted under Zaid bin Ali. Suffering another blow, the Berbers revolted against Islam in North Africa. At the end of the year, Muslims wage the Battle of the Nobles.

741 CE: The Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa is fought.

742 CE: The Islamic war machine restores Muslim rule in Qiarowan.

743 CE: With the death of Hisham, Walid II ascends to power in Islam. This triggers another Shia revolt, this time in Khurasan and under Yahya b Zaid.

744 CE: With the deposition of Walid I1, Islam experiences the accession of Yazid II1. Upon his death, Ibrahim was crowned but he was quickly overthrown. After the Battle of Ain al Jurr, Marwan II becomes chief potentate of the regime.

745 CE: Kufa and Mosul were occupied by the Khawarjites.

746 CE: After the Battle of Rupar Thutha, Kufa and Mosul were occupied by Marwan II.

747 CE: Abu Muslim led a revolt in Khurasan.

748 CE: Muslim jihadists fight the Battle of Rayy.

749 CE: After the battles of lsfahan and Nihawand, Kufa was captured by the Abbasids. As Saffah was then anointed the Abbasid Caliph at Kufa in the continuing sectarian strife that still consumes the world of Islam.

750 CE: The Battle of Zab was fought. With the fall of Damascus to Shia Muslims, Islam experienced the end of the aggressive Umayyad Dynasty and the rise of the Abbasids. They took their name from Muhammad’s uncle, al-Abbas, because his descendants had revolted against Umayyad control. Under the Umayyads, non-Muslims in occupied territories had been relegated to slave status. The Abbasids were more content, so long as the conquered paid their taxes.

The capital of the Islamic world was moved from Damascus, Syria to Baghdad, Iraq. It was in Baghdad that the religion of Islam was born. The first written edition of the Qur’an was compiled in Kufu, on the outskirts of Baghdad, sometime around 725 CE. Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, known as the Sira, or Biography of Muhammad, was compiled in Baghdad in 750 CE (some say 768). Without this early biography chronicling Islam’s beginnings, the religion would not exist, as nothing would be known of its lone prophet and Allah’s singular voice. No Ishaq, no Prophet, no Prophet, no Islam.

850 CE, Bukhari and Muslim would compile the most authoritative Hadith collections depicting the words and deeds of Muhammad and his Companions. Their topical collection becomes the basis for Salaf, or fundamentalist, Islam. In these texts, Muhammad explained the Qur’an and established Islamic Sunnah and Sharia Law by clarifying his message regarding jihad, fighting, the slave trade, booty, taxation, the virgins in paradise, oppression, the intolerance of women, Christians, and Jews, as well as his open hostility to freedom of choice, and affinity for pagan ritual.

Next, the History of al-Tabari, depicting Muhammad’s rise to power, was compiled in Baghdad between 870 and 920 CE. Tabari’s Hadith-based depiction of Muhammad’s words and deeds as they were passed on by way of the Prophet’s Companions (the same folks who passed on the Qur’an), remains the oldest unedited, uncensored, and unabridged account of Islam’s beginnings. It is the story of a ruthless terrorist, money-grubbing pirate, and sexual pervert. While it is astonishing that anyone trusts Muhammad’s witness, this prophets words and deeds explain why Muslims were plundering the world.

751 CE: Wasit was plundered by the Abbasids. Abu Salama was murdered.

755 CE: Abdullah bin Ali led a sectarian revolt. That led to the murder of Abu Muslim. This in turn led to the Sunbadh revolt in Khurasan. While this is called the "Golden Era" of Islam, the only thing golden about it was plunder.

762 CE: Shia Muslims revolted under Muhammad (Nafs uz Zakia) and Ibrahim.

763 CE: Baghdad was established as the undisputed capital of the Islamic world - at least apart from Spain. There Sunni Muslims suffered a defeat at the hands of the Shia Abbasids this year.

767 CE: The Khariji state was established by Ibn Madrar at Sijilmasa. Ustad experiences another revolt in Khurasan.

772 CE: The Battle of Janbi is fought in North Africa. The Rustamid state was established in Morocco.

777 CE: The Battle of Saragossa was waged in Spain. The Great Mosque of Cordova was built.

789 CE: Marked the rise of the Idrisid Emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco. They would control North Aftica until 985.

Fez was established as a Muslim enclave. Christoforos, a well-known Muslim who converted to Christianity, was publicly executed.

792 CE: Muslims reinvaded southern France.

799 CE: Muslims suppressed the Khazars revolt.

800 CE: The Islamic Aghlabid Dynasty was established in Tunisia, North Africa.
805 CE: Muslims resumed their campaigns against the Byzantines. Islamic jihadists recaptured of the islands of Rhodes and Cypress.

807 CE: Caliph Harun al-Rashid ordered the destruction of non-Muslim churches, shrines, temples, and houses of prayer. This includes the razing of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

809 CE: Aghlabid Muslims conquer the island of Sardinia, taking it from Italy.

813 CE: Christians in Judea were terrorized by Muslims. Many fled the country under savage Islamic persecution.

814 CE: An Islamic civil war is waged between Muslim rivals Amin and Mamun. Amin was killed so Mamun became Caliph.

815 CE: Shia Muslims revolted against Sunnis under Ibn Tuba Tabs.

816 CE: Shia Muslims revolted in Mecca. Harsama suppressed the revolt.
The Spanish Umayyad Emirs led a raid in which the island of Corsica was captured from Italy.

818 CE: The Umayyad Emirs in Spain captured the islands of Izira and Majorica, while holding on to Sardinia.

827 CE: Mamun declared the Mutazila sect of Islam as the official state religion.

The Aghlabi regime in Tunis began their conquests of Sicily. They would continue to attack the Romans in Sicily through 878.

831 CE: Muslim crusaders captured Palermo, Italy. Using it as a base, jihadists conducted raids throughout southern Italy.

836 CE: Mutasim moved the capital of Islam to Samarra.

837 CE: The Jats revolt was ruthlessly suppressed.

838 CE: The Babek revolt in Azerbaijan was suppressed.

839 CE: The Maziar revolt in Tabaristan was suppressed.

NOTE: "Suppressed means lots of heads were chopped off)

840 CE: Muslim militias now occupied almost all of southern Italy. Jihadists captured of the city of Messina in Sicily.

843 CE: Arabs began revolting against Islamic rule.

850 CE: Mutawakkil restored the orthodoxy of fundamentalist Islam making Salaf Islam the official interpretation of the religion. The timing is important. This is when Ishaq’s Biography of Muhammad became available by way of Hisham’s redaction. Tabari’s History and his Qur’an Commentary were becoming available, and Bukhari’s and Muslim’s topical Hadith Collections were making their debut. While there were still very few written copies of the Qur’an in distribution, for the first time there was sufficient information about Muhammad’s life and words available for clerics and politicians to elevate Islam from a barbarian credo to a politicized religion - albeit, the most deceitful, destructive, and deadly ever conceived by man.

851 CE: Allah’s and the Qur’an’s intolerance for all competitive religions and political systems was made manifest when Caliph al-Matawakkil ordered the destruction every non-Muslim house of prayer, churche, temple, and shrine which was not destroyed during Caliph al-Rashid’s 807 decree.

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[palerider]

(continuing)

852 CE: Starting with the first written distribution of the Islamic scriptures in 850, political and religious succession in Islam became a carnival of death and oppression. The Tahirid ruler Abdullah Tahir was ousted by Tahir II. In Spain, Abdur Rahman II was replaced by Muhammad I. Then, Abbasid Caliph Mutawakkil was murdered in a coup so that Muntasir, the man who had him killed, could live as Caliph. But that didn’t last long because Muntasir was poisoned the following year so that Mutasin could pretend to be Allah’s representative. Then Mutasim was deposed and forced from Samarra to accommodate Mutaaz’s ego. The Abbasid Caliph Mutaaz abdicated the throne under threat of death. But it didn’t matter. He was murdered anyway and replaced by his assassin, Muhtadi.

Against this backdrop of musical thrones, other Muslims were playing the role of warlord and establishing personal fiefdoms. Umar bin Abdul Aziz created the Habbarid regime in Sind. Ahmad established the Samanid fiefdom in Transoxiana. Yaqub bin Layth founded the Saffarid dynasty in Sistan. Ahmad bin Tulun imposed the Tulunid dictatorship in Egypt.

855 CE: The Christian revolt of Hims in Syria and Judea is suppressed by the Islamic warlords.

868 CE: The Sattarid regime extended its control over most of Persia. In Egypt, the Abbasid and Umayyad caliphates were ended. They were replaced by the Tulunid Dynasty.

869 CE: Black slaves in Iraq revolted against Islamic suppression.

870 CE: The Turks revolted against the Islamic dictator Muhtadi, killing him. But it made no difference because he was replaced by a likeminded fellow, Mutamid.

873 CE: Tahirid rule was extinguished in Persia. This led to the Zanj revolt in Southern Iraq.

874 CE: With the death of the Samanid ruler Ahmad, Islam continued to be plagued by unstable and deadly accession rites. With the death of Yaqubb Layth in Sistan, Amr bin Layth became warlord. With the death of Ahmad bin Tulun in Egypt, Khamar- Wiyiah became king. With the death of Muhammad I the Umayyad ruler of Spain, Munzir inherited the throne. In Sind, the death of Abdullah bin Umar the Habbari ruler left the Islamic fiefdom rudderless.
Abbulla relaced Munzir, the Umayyad ruler of Spain. With the death of the Samanid ruler Nasr, Ishmael became potentate. Shortly thereafter, the Rustamids become the vassals of Spain. With the death of the Tulunid ruler Khamarwiyiah; Abul Asakir Jaish took charge. And with the assassination of Abul Asakir Jaish; his killer Abu Musa Harun, became Commander in Chief.
Without new territories and victims to carve up, the leadership of the religion of Islam turned on itself and sliced their stolen pie into different sections, ultimately stealing slices from one another. The next one hundred years is nasty business.

877 CE: Syria and Lebanon came under Tulunid rule.

879 CE: The Seljuk’s, who were Eastern Turkish barbarians, conquered Mesopotamia and large portions of Persia from the Abbasids. Recognizing the superiority of Islam when it came to legitimizing rape and plunder, the Seljuks became Muslims.

891 CE: The Qarmatian fiefdom was established in Bahrain.

898 CE: The Qarmatians sacked Basra.

900 CE: The Fatimids of Egypt overtook most of North Africa by the sword, and one Islamic regime replaced another.

903 CE: Following the sacking of Basra, the Qarmatian ruler Abu Said, was assassinated.

905 CE: Abdullah bin Hamdan imposed the Hamdanid regime in Mosul and Jazirah. This year marked the end of the Tulunid dictatorship in Egypt.

908 CE: Marked the end of the Saffarid rule, and the annexation of their territories by the Samanids. The following year, Ubaidullah overthrew the Aghlablds and imposed the Fatimid regime in North Africa.

909 CE: With the rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia, Muslim Crusaders continue to occupy and plunder Sicily and Sardinia, which were now completely under their control.

929 CE: Qarmatians who had sacked Basra now attacked Mecca and carried Allah away by removing the Black Stone from the Ka’aba.

936 CE: By way of a coup, Ibn Raiq became the Amir (Emir, or Warlord) ul Umara. Then in 938, by way of another coup, the reigns of power in Baghdad are captured by Bajkam.

937 CE: Ikhshid, a particularly despotic and oppressive Islamic ruler, wrote to the Roman Emperor Romanus, boasting over his control over the Church’s holy places.

The Church of the Resurrection (known today as the Church of Holy Sepulcher) in Jerusalem, Roman Catholicism’s second most important shrine, was burned down by Muslims. The few churches which remain in Jerusalem are attacked and destroyed.

943 CE: Al Baeidi came to power by way of a coup. But then the Abbasid Caliph Muttaqi was forced to seek refuge with the Hamdanids as the result of an armed insurrection. The same year, Sail ud Daula became Caliph in Baghdad by way of the sword. Then Muttaqi was blinded and deposed, leading to Mustakafi. However, he would be deposed the following year.

945 CE: As a result of the Shiite raid on Baghdad, the Abbasid Empire became powerless. It was the last time the Islamic world would be united. Decentralized political regimes and religious sects divided the empire into an uncivil array of squabbling warlords.

951 CE: There was great joy when the Qarnaatiana brought Allah home and cemented the Black Stone back into the Ka’aba’s wall.

960 CE: Marked the forced conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam.

962 CE: Islamic oppression is reasserted over Afghanistan by the Ghaznavid Dynasty.

966 CE: Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem reach new levels of violence, death, and destruction.

968 CE: The Byzantines reclaimed Aleppo.

969 CE: The Fatimid Muslims conquered Egypt.

970 CE: The Seljuk hoard besieged Islamic territories from the East. As they conquered they consumed the poison of Islam and converted.

971 CE: Buluggin bin Ziri established the fiefdom of the Zirids in Algeria. North Africa was now under the dictatorial rule of the Zayri in Tunis.

972 CE: Israel and southern Syria were reconquered by the Fatimids.

973 CE: Shia and Sunni Muslims begin terrorizing one another in Baghdad. In the chaos, the Turkish General Subuktgin conquers the capital.

978 CE: With the death of the Buwayhid Sultan Izz ud Daula, authority was claimed by Azud ud Daula, who survived by three years. The Hamdanids were then overthrown by the Buwayhids.

986 CE: The Buwyhid Sultan Samsara ud Daula was overthrown by Sharaf ud Daula in a coup. He would die in two years and be replaced with Baha ud Daula.

991 CE: The Abbasid Caliph Taii was deposed in a bloody coup.

997 CE: Mahmud, the ruler of the Turkish regime in Gujarat, conducted seventeen raids into northwestern India (thus Pakistan and Bangladesh) on behalf of Islam. For his ruthlessness against the Hindu Indians, he is named: "The Sword of Islam.".


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[Friendindeed]

Excuse me for interrupting lovebirds, but you're both wrong.
All Islam is not radical Islam palerider.
And there is one big difference between Muslims and us Lily.

 

[palerider]

Excuse me for interrupting lovebirds, but you're both wrong.
All Islam is not radical Islam palerider.
And there is one big difference between Muslims and us Lily.

Those who do not adhere to the fanaticism of radical islam are looked upon as infidels friend and those who don't adhere to the fanaticism know it and very rarely speak out against the true muslims lest they become targets themselves.

 

[Lilly Marlene]

Just dropped by, been up all night with a situation and shouldn't really say much at this point -

but in answer to you palerider,
yes there would be roughly a thousand years more ...we could save a lot of bandwidth (is that the right word ?) if you will tell me your source for this history.

Friendindeed, I see that you had a comment to me; let me address that next time.

Good night to you both,
Lilly

 

[palerider]

Just dropped by, been up all night with a situation and shouldn't really say much at this point -

but in answer to you palerider,
yes there would be roughly a thousand years more ...we could save a lot of bandwidth (is that the right word ?) if you will tell me your source for this history.

Friendindeed, I see that you had a comment to me; let me address that next time.

Good night to you both,
Lilly

My source his history Lilly. It is all there. Islam is a religion fabricated by a despicable man who used it to justify his greed and bloodlust and his followers have followed in his footsteps ever since. Somewhere along the line they stopped with the looting and pillaging (perhaps military machinery advanced beyond their capacity to do battle with westerners) but the terror and killing of the infidels in the name of their dark lord has continued unabated.

If you find any historical inaccuracy in anything that I have said, I woud be interested in knowing what specifically you have found.

As I said, I can continue a nearly year by year account of war, looting, assention by assassination, slave trading, rape and pillage up until modern times. If you need to see it, I will provide it some every day until we are up to date. A word of caution, however, when 1400 years of their behavior is laid out for you year by year, you will lose any credibility you might have if you continue in your apologetics for islam.

Here is another 100 years just for fun.

1001 CE: The new millennium begins violently with the Islamic armies under the command of Mahmud Ghazanavi defeating the Hindu Shahis. Over the course of the next seven years the Muslims under his leadership would go on to conquer Bhatiya (1004), Multan and Ghur (1005), and the Rajput confederacy (1008).
1003 CE: The Muslim dictator al-Hakim begins to persecute Christians in Judea and Egypt. During his reign of violence, the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, was destroyed.
1009 CE: What was left of the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem after the 937 fire was demolished by the Islamic ruler al-Hakim.
1011 CE: In Spain, Muhammad I is overthrown by Sulaiman. The following year, Spain was claimed by Bani Hamud through force of arms.
1012 CE: After having persecuted and terrorized Christians and Jews in Judea and Egypt, the Islamic ruler al-Hakim issued a host of oppressive decrees against all who observed the Jewish or Christian faith.
1018 CE: In Spain another military coup transfers power to Abdul Rahman IV.
1019 CE: The Islamic war machine began its conquest of the Punjab under the command of Mahmud Ghazanavi.
1020 CE: Buwayhid Sultan ud Daula Caliphate was overthrown by Musharaf ud Daula,.
1024 CE: In Islamic Spain Abdul Rahman IV was assassinated, leading to the dominion of Mustafi.
1031 CE: In Spain, with the deposition of Hisharn III, the Umayyad regime came to an end. And with the collapse of Umayyid Caliphate, the Islamic pie was sliced into 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Islamic Andalus.
1036 CE: The Fatimid Caliph Al Zahir died so Mustansir became Allah’s dictator. But not everywhere: Tughril Beg was crowned as the king of the Seljuks.
1037 CE: Azerbajjan in northern Persia, fell under the yoke of the Sajid Dynasty by way of Seljuk swords.
1040 CE: In the Battle of Dandanqan, the Seljuks defeated the Ghazanavids. This led to the deposition of Masud the Ghazanavid Sultan, and the accession of Muhammad. At the same time, Al Moravids imposed his fiefdom in North Africa.
1041 CE: The Ghazanavid Sultan Muhammad was overthrown by Maudud.
1046 CE: Basasiri led a coup to capture power in Baghdad.
1047 CE: The Zirids in North Africa repudiated their allegiance to the Fatimid and became allies with the rival Abbasids.
1048 CE: Trying to delay the return of the Byzantines that the Islamic persecutions of Christians in the Holy Land had precipitated, the Islamic regime allowed the reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection which they destroyed.
1050 CE: Marked the creation of the Al Moravid movement in Mauretania and Morocco. The Al Moravids (also known as Murabitun and Al-Moravi) were western Saharan Berbers and followers of fundamentalist Islam. They adhered to Allah’s orders in the Qur’an, Muhammad’s example in the Hadith, and thus imposed Sharia law. As fundamentalist Muslims, and as jihadists, they helped establish the foundation for the Muslim Brotherhood, which in turn fathered most all of today’s terrorist organizations.
1055 CE: Muslims began a campaign of confiscating Christian property and of defacing the rebuilt Church of the Resurrection.
1056 CE: Tughril Beg overthrew the Buwayhids. But then Basasiri recaptured authority over Baghdad. He deposes Al Qaim and offered his allegiance to the Fatimid Caliph. So then in 1059, Tughril Beg recaptured power in Baghdad and al Qaim was restored as the Caliph.
1071 CE: In the Battle of Manzikert, the Byzantine emperor was taken captive by the Seljuks. The Muslims now occupy much of Anatolia.
1071 CE: The Turks (who have now become Muslim Crusaders) invaded Syria, Jordan, and Judea.
1073 CE: Turkish mujahideen begin their conquest of Jerusalem.
1075 CE: The Seljuks captured Nicea and make it their capital in Anatolia.
1076 CE: The Al Moravids, after spending 25 years indoctrinating their people in fundamentalist Islamic ideals, motivated their jihadists to conquer western Ghana.
1077 CE: The Turkish Seljuk Islamic regime used their jihadists to insure that their intolerant and repressive views of Islam would hold sway over the Islamic Empire. They now control most of Arabia, Persia, the Caucasus, Caspian, India, and Turkey.
1082 CE: The fundamentalist Muslim A1 Moravids conquered Algeria.
1085 CE: Toledo was recaptured from Muslims by Christian forces.
1086 CE: The Al Moravids sent jihadists to help the Andalus in the Battle of Zallaca. The Al Moravids defeated the Christians in Spain.
1090 CE: Al Moravids occupied all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands.
1091 CE: The Normans captured the island of Sicily, ending over 260 years of Muslim rule.
1094 CE: Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asked western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory. The Seljuks were a ruthless strain of Eastern Turkish Muslims.
1095 CE: Pope Urban II extolled the virtues of fighting for the Roman Catholic Church by stealing a page out of the Qur’an. The first crusade was launched to retake Jerusalem from the Muslims who had conquered it from the Byzantines. Christians and Jews had been severely persecuted in the last century with Muslims destroying their churches and synagogues and stealing their homes and land.

Lilly, the muslim culture created by Islam became dependent upon conquest because the religion made building a viable economy impossible. And when conquest was no longer possible, the Muslim warlords stole fiefdoms from one another and then imposed ever more draconian measures on the people who were subjected to their religious and political authority. Simply stated, unable to give Muslims a reason to live, Muhammad gave them a reason to die. His legacy is one of death and destruction, rape and plunder. Every life and place infected by his demonic religion was made worse by it.

 

[Lilly Marlene]

My source his history Lilly. It is all there.
......... If you need to see it, I will provide it some every day until we are up to date. A word of caution, however, when 1400 years of their behavior is laid out for you year by year, you will lose any credibility you might have if you continue in your apologetics for islam.

palerider, with all due respect, it is scarcely MY credibility which stands to be lost here ...
given that you have consistently refused to cite your source so that any check can be done of your alleged facts.

Surely you can see the questions that is raising for me.

Why in the world is it such a problem for you to tell me where you are getting this stuff - particularly if it is all "historical fact" as you claim. In such a case, it should be accessible from any one of a dozen places.

Second, you have conspicuously ignored the first example I gave you to the contrary, of the "Golden Age of Spain".
If Muslims had this steady 1400 year history of rapacious aggression against all non-Muslims, then please explain to me why they are notable to historians for their generous and respectful treatment of the Spanish Jews - for those several centuries somewhere between 1000 and 1492 when they ruled the entire Iberian Peninsula.

According to the model you have, they would only have exhibited that kind of tolerance in a season of retreat, regression, stagnation, and weakness. But that period on the contrary was a time of glorious strength and bourgeoning prosperity for them.

 

[Lilly Marlene]

Friendindeed you wrote to me,

And there is one big difference between Muslims and us Lily.

Well ...what difference do you mean ?
Are you quarreling with my assessment in a prior post that their feet fall asleep, that they bleed red, and that they love their children ?

[Generally, I meant, with the anecdotal exceptions you'd find here and there in any population vis a vis the feet falling asleep and loving their children].

I believe I know what your 'one big difference' probably is, and if I'm correct about that ...it's not so very big.
Please note that when I and my classmates were twelve years old we were confirmed as "soldiers of Christ" and the hope was that we would be ready to lay down our lives for our faith.