Don't Waste Your Vote!

[PLC1]

Right, 55 for CA. I must have been thinking about delegate votes. But that's stll almost 1/3 of what he would need to win. The most current numbers I found were for 2008. It said for registered voters - 43% were Dems., 33% Repubs. and the rest must be (24%) Ind.of some sort. Obummer won with 60% of the vote in '08.

The idiot state has decided to build a multi billion dollar rail system (that no one will use) even though we are billions of dollars in the red. Nothing that makes any sense ever comes out of Sacramento. All our big businesses keep moving out of the state and they want to increase our taxes even more. I don't know who they think will be left who can pay them. Calif. has one third of the nation's welfare recipients.

Can we take it from that you don't plan to vote for Governor Brown's tax increase proposal in November?

 

[Cruella]

Can we take it from that you don't plan to vote for Governor Brown's tax increase proposal in November?

No I will not. Do you think it's going to pass? I'm afraid the only way to stop these clowns is for the state to belly up and be forced to deal with it's fiscal and social problems.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

No I will not. Do you think it's going to pass? I'm afraid the only way to stop these clowns is for the state to belly up and be forced to deal with it's fiscal and social problems.

As soon as huge tax increases take effect, UTLA and all the others will scream "STRIKE" and walk out to get every last dime of the increase. As always. And a cradle-to-grave set of increased benefits. Demand retirement after 20 years only.

 

[PLC1]

No I will not. Do you think it's going to pass? I'm afraid the only way to stop these clowns is for the state to belly up and be forced to deal with it's fiscal and social problems.

I can't imagine people voting for a tax increase, but then, I didn't believe that they would reelect Brown either.

 

[Dr.Who]

I'm in Calif. too and I know all 172 electoral votes will go to Obama. But I'm still voting, and voting for Romney.

But mine is just as much as a protest vote as PLC's - neither one of our votes are going to count at the end of the day.

Wouldn't your vote be counted in the popular vote and wouldn't it effect people in states that vote after yours are counted (partially) and made public?

 

[Cruella]

Wouldn't your vote be counted in the popular vote and wouldn't it effect people in states that vote after yours are counted (partially) and made public?

Popular vote doesn't win elections. Calif. is on PST. Most of the nation's polls have closed before ours.

 

[PLC1]

Wouldn't your vote be counted in the popular vote and wouldn't it effect people in states that vote after yours are counted (partially) and made public?

The popular vote doesn't count in presidential elections, and is soon forgotten anyway.

Now, if the electoral votes were to be awarded proportionally, then everyone's vote would count. If, for example, the vote in California were 60% Obama, and Obama therefore were awarded 60% of those 55 electoral votes, then the popular vote would be very important.

The downside to that would be that we'd be subject to the same inane campaign ads that people in the "swing" states have to suffer through.

 

[dogtowner]

The popular vote doesn't count in presidential elections, and is soon forgotten anyway.

Now, if the electoral votes were to be awarded proportionally, then everyone's vote would count. If, for example, the vote in California were 60% Obama, and Obama therefore were awarded 60% of those 55 electoral votes, then the popular vote would be very important.

The downside to that would be that we'd be subject to the same inane campaign ads that people in the "swing" states have to suffer through.

lord they are relentlesd this.go round

 

[Dr.Who]

The popular vote doesn't count in presidential elections, and is soon forgotten anyway.
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The popular vote counts on election night as even part way into the night the votes that have come in so far from cali will influence the votes of people in other states who just want to vote for a winner. It may not be much but it does make it so that a conservative vote in cali is not worthless.

 

[PLC1]

The popular vote counts on election night as even part way into the night the votes that have come in so far from cali will influence the votes of people in other states who just want to vote for a winner. It may not be much but it does make it so that a conservative vote in cali is not worthless.

Then by all means, let's vote for the only conservative running. Vote Johnson.

 

[Dr.Who]

Then by all means, let's vote for the only conservative running. Vote Johnson.

If that is how you think the country will improve then do it. I think voting for romney is imperfect but definitely adequate and most importantly any vote at all that is not obama is a place to start to protect the freedoms this country was founded on.

 

[PLC1]

If that is how you think the country will improve then do it. I think voting for romney is imperfect but definitely adequate and most importantly any vote at all that is not obama is a place to start to protect the freedoms this country was founded on.

Lots of people would agree with that.

Why do you hold that opinion?

 

[Dr.Who]

Lots of people would agree with that.

Why do you hold that opinion?

I beleive that the plans obama has are inconsistent with the plans laid out in the constitution. The more he is able to get what he wants the more the founders intent is lost. One example would be government redistribution of wealth - either through so called social programs or through crony capitalism (socialism).

 

[PLC1]

I beleive that the plans obama has are inconsistent with the plans laid out in the constitution. The more he is able to get what he wants the more the founders intent is lost. One example would be government redistribution of wealth - either through so called social programs or through crony capitalism (socialism).

So, you believe that the policies that Romney will support are different from those that Obama supports? Look at likely policies now, not just rhetoric.

and remember, that comment about redistribution of wealth was in reference to the graduated income tax, which has been in place for at least as long as I've been paying income taxes, which goes back to the Kennedy administration.

 

[Dr.Who]

So, you believe that the policies that Romney will support are different from those that Obama supports? Look at likely policies now, not just rhetoric.

It is hard to imagine romney being any farther to the left of obama. He is less conservative than I would like but clearly no where near as radical as O.

and remember, that comment about redistribution of wealth was in reference to the graduated income tax, which has been in place for at least as long as I've been paying income taxes, which goes back to the Kennedy administration.

Yet you and I both know that he would like to redistribute wealth in many other ways too. I fail to see how it is important that the income tax has been progressive for a long time - I do not want a progressive income tax at all. In fact I do not even want an income tax. Anyway, redistriubtion is the tip of the ice berg. If he is not a socialist then he is as close as one can get.