Pandora
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I would not agree its like being a dictator, not even a liberal talk show host.
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I would not agree its like being a dictator, not even a liberal talk show host.
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ASPCA4EVER
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LOOK...WHAT A NICE FAMILY PHOTO OP...just one big happy-happy family and notice the date...why it would appear that you are WRONG!
But that would just be IMO
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23143814/
Bush signs stimulus package into law
Rebates of $300 to $1,200 go out beginning in May
Ron Edmonds / AP
President Bush, surrounded by members of Congress, signs the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, Wednesday, in the East Room of the White House in Washington.
Paulson on the stimulus
Feb. 13: U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson describes how the stimulus package will help the U.S. economy on CNBC.
updated 2:23 p.m. CT, Wed., Feb. 13, 2008
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Wednesday signed a multibillion-dollar economic rescue package on Wednesday that means $300 to $1,200 rebates for many American households.
Bush called the measure "a booster shot for our economy" to stave off a recession.
Several dozen members of Congress, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, stood on the stage behind Bush as he signed the bill.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23143814/
pocketfullofshells
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It is, because you don't have to listen to anyone else or do what the people want...
Pandora
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Well they have to stay within the law. You dont have to listen to anyone else either or do what other people want except where legal things are concerned.
To say they, me or you HAVE to listen to others or do what they want sounds like a scary world, unless we are talking about keeping within the law.
pocketfullofshells
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pretty small list of what you can't say legally...verse what you can do legaly
Pandora
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Do you think everyone should have to listen to what others say and do what other people want? Or is this just for conservative talk show types?
pocketfullofshells
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No I am saying its easy to talk big, when you don't have any responsibility to back it up, and if you do or don't do anything...it does not change anything, becuse all you are is a walking mouthpiece. Rush and those listed are free to say what ever, they have no accountability to getting results and don't need to work with hundreds who do not agree with them...
Talk is cheap, actions speak louder...but they of course will never actually take action and do anything..
Pandora
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I agree talk is cheap. I think they have some good ideas, I also think they have some unrealistic ideas. If 10 percent of the good ideas were tried, things might be different.
I also think liberals have some good ideas, not as many as conservative of course
I "feel" like we have already tried the liberal ones and they didnt work out, but I also admit that my point of view is bias 
Firstly if I was referring to Bush II, I would have said George W. Bush.
What about the real George Bush?
pocketfullofshells
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Skips dirty joke I was going to make...
but I will go with, I call him the Bush I actually liked as President for the most part
Sure, he failed on the big national scene with his national response speech. But otherwise he says he is a Conservative.
Is that all the credit you would give her? She will tell you anytime you ask that she is a Conservative.
Maybe in my post I should have been a little more specific, but I think you might be referring to the "Compassionate Conservative"
If the Cheney ideology is what real Conservatives want, that is not something I can endure for another 4 years.
You know, I dont know much about him either, I was kind of hoping PFOS would chime in on his objective thoughts about his Governor. I just hear his name brought up often.
I see the contract with America as being the most conservative set of iniatives in a generation. Certainly in my life.
Well I tossed him into the mix because of the celebrity ties.
I know, but I was running short of names off the top of my head. I remember when this site was spammed heavily by Ron Paul supporters. Where did they go?
In all honesty nobody around here loves a politcal label and are as well versed in its precise definition than you. So kudos for that.
I think maybe the problem is that there are a bunch of wannabee Conservatives. Well maybe that term isnt fair, I think it might be more accurate to say that the much admired media personalities say things, and in such a way as to suggest that anything short of absolute ideological victory in all legislation and policy is a horrible thing, and anyone who cant deliver that is not a REAL member of the club.
How conservative does one need to be to satisfy?
Or should the GOP just split?
Is this the fault of the mainstream media?
I know I have spent my way out of a problem.
Yeah, because we couldnt use a serious infastructure upgrade.
Lets shrink that government until the rest of the rotting infastructure found around the nation crumbles even more. Whats another bridge collapse or two. You do realize that our national infastructure is the second most valuable investment we make into our nation. Infastructure money is generally not "blown" money. There is plenty of other things we "blow" money on. Like arresting, and imprisoning non violent drug users.
GenSeneca
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As the philosopher Seneca said, "It is, of course, better to know useless things than to know nothing".
People who reject political labels are not competent to discuss the ideologies of others and they are the least qualified to pass judgment on, or propose, policy.
No, they don't want to be Conservatives, they only want Conservatives to vote for them. Once in office, they can violate the Conservative principles they claim to hold under the pretense of Pragmatism, or compromise, or even compassion, but always do so in the name of the "greater good", a nebulous and vacuous term.
Anything short of limiting the power of government to protecting the individual rights of all its citizens is a horrible thing.
That's a subjective measure for sure.
I am a Capitalist first and foremost, so for me, being a fiscal conservative and a defender of individual rights is enough to satisfy but I'm probably overreaching asking for those. Conservatives are still terrible at promoting and defending Capitalism so I'd prefer they not even try...
Infrrastructure is normal maintenance in the real world but polititians prefer to spend money on vote buying. Even when its allocated and checks written, it gets skimmed for other things (levee funds in NOLA are a perfect example of that).
As a "stimulus" this is not even a sugar high.
Has all ths created an aging and troubled system of roads, sewer etc ? Yes. Will this make any difference to the economy ? Apparently not.
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Gipper
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Anyone watch Beck tonight? He was absolutely awesome. He shines the light of truth on the cockroaches now infecting our government.
Hey libs check out Cloward-Piven Strategy. It is what BO and friends are doing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy
Hey libs check out Cloward-Piven Strategy. It is what BO and friends are doing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy
