Police arrest 400 at U.S. Capitol in protest of money in politics

[martinearletara]

All in all.. free speech zones sound like somewhere they go to get as far away from the media as they can.

 

[PLC1]

All in all.. free speech zones sound like somewhere they go to get as far away from the media as they can.

According to the First Amendment, the entire US is a free speech zone.

or should be at least.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

According to the First Amendment, the entire US is a free speech zone.

or should be at least.

So, you can yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater?

 

[dogtowner]

All in all.. free speech zones sound like somewhere they go to get as far away from the media as they can.

They want the media. It's the whole point.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

They want the media. It's the whole point.

One has to wonder why Bush expanded the creation of "free speech zones" to be policed by the Secret Service. Of course, the guy is a coward so maybe he just didn't want to feel threatened. Kind of like Trump.

 

[PLC1]

So, you can yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater?

absolutely.
And, if there's a fire and you save people before they're trapped, you can be a hero.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

absolutely.
And, if there's a fire and you save people before they're trapped, you can be a hero.

And if there isn't you can be in jail. So, even "free speech" is limited by the circumstances under which you exercise it.

 

[PLC1]

And if there isn't you can be in jail. So, even "free speech" is limited by the circumstances under which you exercise it.

No, it's still not limited, but you have to take responsibility for the results. Spread a false rumor, and the person you're talking about might sue. Cause a panic, and the results are on you.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

No, it's still not limited, but you have to take responsibility for the results. Spread a false rumor, and the person you're talking about might sue. Cause a panic, and the results are on you.

LOL, so being able to sue one for lying, or being able to arrest one for causing a panic, is not limiting free speech. Under that logic limiting what type of firearm one can buy is not limiting ones right to own a gun.

ANYTIME you put any form of restriction on an activity you are limiting that activity.

 

[PLC1]

LOL, so being able to sue one for lying, or being able to arrest one for causing a panic, is not limiting free speech. Under that logic limiting what type of firearm one can buy is not limiting ones right to own a gun.

ANYTIME you put any form of restriction on an activity you are limiting that activity.

There's no restriction.
There's taking responsibility, that's all.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

There's no restriction.
There's taking responsibility, that's all.

Well, this is the last time I will try to get past your ignorance. From Websters:


Simple Definition of restriction

• : a law or rule that limits or controls something
  
  
• : the act of limiting or controlling something
  

 

[dogtowner]

Schenck v US made it illegal in 1919 for causing a panic. 50 some years later it was overturned by way of clarifying that the speach had to call for specific illegal acts.
In no case was yelling fire the offense.

Yell away.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Schenck v US made it illegal in 1919 for causing a panic. 50 some years later it was overturned by way of clarifying that the speach had to call for specific illegal acts.
In no case was yelling fire the offense.

Yell away.

As usual, you misunderstand what was said. Here is what Justice Holmes actually wrote:

“The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic … . The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger.”

Not "specific illegal acts" as you claim, but a danger.

Furthermore, the Constitution doesn’t guarantee you ‘free speech. Despite what you seem to believe, the ‘freedom of speech’ guarantee in the Constitution doesn’t give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want. The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech. Period.

See if you can get through this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444#writing-USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO

 

[dogtowner]

As usual, you misunderstand what was said. Here is what Justice Holmes actually wrote:

“The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic … . The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger.”

Not "specific illegal acts" as you claim, but a danger.

Furthermore, the Constitution doesn’t guarantee you ‘free speech. Despite what you seem to believe, the ‘freedom of speech’ guarantee in the Constitution doesn’t give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want. The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government to suppress speech. Period.

See if you can get through this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444#writing-USSC_CR_0395_0444_ZO

Had you read my post you would have seen where this was revisited in another case where the bar was reset as described effectively reversing the earlier ruling.
Yell away.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Had you read my post you would have seen where this was revisited in another case where the bar was reset as described effectively reversing the earlier ruling.
Yell away.

Sorry, but you again missed the point, as usual. If you knew what the hell you were talking about you would have known the case that reversed the ruling in Schenck was the one I posted for you to try and learn from. You still can’t yell “Fire” in a crowded theater, you’d be taken into custody because of your disruptive or threatening action. "Kiddie porn" can be suppressed because it hurts children. Speech made in planning a criminal act is punishable as a conspiracy. Making false statements about another can result in libel/defamation suits.

So, contrary to your assertion, "freedom of speech" can be restricted, and has been. As I said before, go ahead and yell "Fire", and then post bond to get out of jail.