Should Christians judge God?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Should Christians judge God?
Many have read the scriptures and come away at the end with a poor impression of God’s morals. This judgement stands apart of their belief or non-belief in God and the bible God is rejected purely on moral grounds.
Many Christians on the other hand seem give God a pass and exonerate their God’s more outrageous and immoral actions. I myself have noticed that Christians have a double set of morals. One for God and another for man. They praise and adore God for the same actions that they condemn man for. I see this as Christians judging God incorrectly.

I have been told on a number of occasions, only by Christians, ---- that inferior mind like our human minds cannot judge God and that we should not even try to judge God as his ways are not our ways, which flies in the face of ----- as above, so below. This indicates that the morality of God is the same as the morality of man and scriptures seem to agree.
Gen 3;22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Is it good advice to not judge God as Christians say, --- or should God be judged?
Regards
DL

 

[dogtowner]

Did you intend for this to be in Culture&Religion and not humor ?

 

[steveox]

Yes..If we feel GOD isn't doing his job I have the right to act. Like Lewis Black thinks GOD is an idiot for allowing good people die early and bad people roam the earth longer

 

[cashmcall]

GCB..I have been posting now for about 13 years, and I have herd all the reponses I care to.. this is for your salvation and no other reason

I saw an atheist's/non-believer cartoon in which God is saying, "Now I will torture you forever for breaking some rules I made up – because I love you. As wrong as he is about Christian doctrine, I have to applaud the cartoonist for getting one thing right: He's holding God (or our beliefs about God) to account. Christians should do the same. When one of the pagan Gnostics invented a good god to replace the cranky, judgmental Hebrew deity, Christians pointed out that a god who's not just isn't truly good, because justice is good, even when we don't like it being applied to ourselves.

The problem for the atheist/non-believers in judging God is that he has no place to stand. He can't have a transcendent standard of justice without a transcendent God to provide it. He's arbitrarily condemning God for being arbitrary. Still, this particular atheist is doing better than the one who say, "Why blood? Can't God simply forgive?" they think it's unfair that they can't grab the high-voltage line without being electrocuted; whoever made up that rule is just being mean and vindictive. It never crossed their mind that justice might be a real, objective thing; that sinning may cause death as touching the power line causes death – not because someone chose that particular outcome, but because of the natures of the things involved.

I'd like you to think about this question: Is justice independent of God? Is He bound by the same rules of morality that bind human beings?

Some people say that whatever wrong God does is automatically right because right is defined as whatever God does. This is Jehovah-Nixon: It's not illegal if the deity does it. The Greeks and Romans had gods who committed crimes, but when Poseidon raped Medusa, for example, it was shocking because rape is wrong for gods as well as mortals. If justice bends and twists to accommodate God's (otherwise) bad actions, then the biblical writers were penning gibberish when they revealed that "God is just." They might as well have said, "God is whatever God is – thought you'd like to know." "God is just" is a rational statement only if justice can be thought of as distinct from God.

If moral "absolutes" are in fact variable, then up can be down, justice is arbitrariness, and God's promises are garbage. This view reminds me of the Muslim conception of Allah. He's supposed to be capricious and unknowable, but hey, he can do whatever he wants – he's god.

This doesn't resemble the God of the Bible at all. The patriarchs believed ferociously that God can be held to the same moral standards that we use to judge human behavior. Abraham protested, "Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" (Genesis 18:25)

Job staked his eternal fate on the proposition that God is not above the moral Law. "Does God pervert justice? Or does the Almighty pervert what is right?" (8:3) "There the upright would reason with Him; And I would be delivered forever from my Judge." (23:7) "Let Him weigh me with accurate scales, And let God know my integrity." (31:6) God finally rebuked Job – not for requiring divine righteousness, but for convicting Him on insufficient evidence. "Who is this who darkens counsel by words without knowledge?" (38:2, emphasis mine)

More below..

 

[cashmcall]

But what about the verse, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion?" (Romans 9:15 quoting Exodus 33:19) Does this indict God as arbitrary? No, not unless giving a gift is unjust. Like the vineyard owner in Jesus' parable who gave some men a day's wages for a day's work, and others a day's wages for less than a day's work, God will never shortchange anyone. His grace does not impair His justice.

This was from a Christian – no doubt trying to impress readers with the magnitude of God's love – wrote that God unjustly killed His Son so that the Father could unjustly save us. But the Bible says nothing remotely like that. It tells us that the Cross is the ultimate expression of both the justice and the mercy of God, not to mention His wisdom.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:21-26)

If Jesus hadn't voluntarily taken our punishment, then yes, the Father would have been unjust to punish an innocent Man. But the gift satisfies the law.

In our little corner of existence, laws are broken and no one is punished. We think that's how the universe works, too. But that condition is only temporary – it's God's forbearance. He suspends reality for a moment to allow an exchange. We've grabbed the high-voltage line, there is only one possible outcome, but He has stopped time to ask us if He may take our place. It's no good saying that the universe must change to accommodate my sin – it cannot. Justice is not arbitrary. And it's not optional.

To judge God we need to find the real, absolute standard of justice. We need to accept the fact that our reasoning ability is flawed, and thus less than totally reliable. And we need to examine all the evidence. Then, assuming that God is acquitted of wrongdoing, I have examined all evidence and my God is acquitted..

 

[cashmcall]

But what about the verse, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion?" (Romans 9:15 quoting Exodus 33:19) Does this indict God as arbitrary? No, not unless giving a gift is unjust. Like the vineyard owner in Jesus' parable who gave some men a day's wages for a day's work, and others a day's wages for less than a day's work, God will never shortchange anyone. His grace does not impair His justice.

This was from a Christian – no doubt trying to impress readers with the magnitude of God's love – wrote that God unjustly killed His Son so that the Father could unjustly save us. But the Bible says nothing remotely like that. It tells us that the Cross is the ultimate expression of both the justice and the mercy of God, not to mention His wisdom.
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:21-26)

If Jesus hadn't voluntarily taken our punishment, then yes, the Father would have been unjust to punish an innocent Man. But the gift satisfies the law.

In our little corner of existence, laws are broken and no one is punished. We think that's how the universe works, too. But that condition is only temporary – it's God's forbearance. He suspends reality for a moment to allow an exchange. We've grabbed the high-voltage line, there is only one possible outcome, but He has stopped time to ask us if He may take our place. It's no good saying that the universe must change to accommodate my sin – it cannot. Justice is not arbitrary. And it's not optional.

To judge God we need to find the real, absolute standard of justice. We need to accept the fact that our reasoning ability is flawed, and thus less than totally reliable. And we need to examine all the evidence. Then, assuming that God is acquitted of wrongdoing, I have examined all evidence and my God is acquitted..

This post was by.. By Dan Popp.. title..Judging God

 

[dogtowner]

Yes..If we feel GOD isn't doing his job I have the right to act. Like Lewis Black thinks GOD is an idiot for allowing good people die early and bad people roam the earth longer

Steve Lewis Black is a comedian

 

[steveox]

Steve Lewis Black is a comedian

But he does have a point though.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

God is a murderer and close ally of the devil

That is THE judgement

People who love this tyrant are mad

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Did you intend for this to be in Culture&Religion and not humor ?

It is rather funny that Christians say not to judge when they are judging all the time. Unfortunately in this place there is no section for the stupidities of Christianity to be discussed under it's own venue.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

cashmcall

Is the reasoning of those who see genocide by God as evil, when God can cure as well as kill, --- wrong?

Regards
DL

 

[dogtowner]

It is rather funny that Christians say not to judge when they are judging all the time. Unfortunately in this place there is no section for the stupidities of Christianity to be discussed under it's own venue.

Regards
DL

You would do well to learn whst thst "judge" statement means

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Christians are judge mental

The people who invented Christianity obviously came up against some smart people saying 'but that is just ridiculous'

So over time they came up with a cunning plan

Tell people that you can't judge god and he moves in mysterious ways and we cannot comprehend god

Whilst simultaneously going round telling everyone that they understand god who is just all loving and blah blah

I bet they never thought there would be so many idiots who would swallow this shit

But then for a long time they did start killing people who questioned it so probably not that surprising

Imagine if Darwin had gone round killing people who opposed the fact of evolution?

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

You would do well to learn whst thst "judge" statement means

Thanks for the education.

Regards
DL

 

[AugustineJurnior]

Should Christians judge God?
Many have read the scriptures and come away at the end with a poor impression of God’s morals. This judgement stands apart of their belief or non-belief in God and the bible God is rejected purely on moral grounds.
Many Christians on the other hand seem give God a pass and exonerate their God’s more outrageous and immoral actions. I myself have noticed that Christians have a double set of morals. One for God and another for man. They praise and adore God for the same actions that they condemn man for. I see this as Christians judging God incorrectly.

I have been told on a number of occasions, only by Christians, ---- that inferior mind like our human minds cannot judge God and that we should not even try to judge God as his ways are not our ways, which flies in the face of ----- as above, so below. This indicates that the morality of God is the same as the morality of man and scriptures seem to agree.
Gen 3;22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Is it good advice to not judge God as Christians say, --- or should God be judged?
Regards
DL

It is not possible that 1( the only people in life who ever had an opinion on this were Christians, and even less likely that you knew the religous belief of everyone who had an opinion. So, you have no credibility.
But your argument is childishly dumb anyway.
You ignore your own premises !!!
1) You must be saying the BIble is not God's Word, which means it can have absolutely no probative value whatsoever, and
2) If you admit it is the Word of God then you are only claiming a godlike status for yourself.
THere is no other logically possible answer. Try me, I know Logic extremely well.
So I ask , Is the Bible the Word of God? YES OR NO !!!! And I will take it from there.