Social Issues in Politics?

Mr. Shaman. I have used a quote by Patrick Henry for years as my signature.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people. It is an instrument for people to restrain the government; lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."

The Bill of Rights confirms this by diverting social issues to the States.

The only time this was not the case was the 18th Amendment which was soon repealed. For years I worked on the Liberty Amendment of the Socialistic 16th Amendment but have been unable to get it passed and the repeal that would restrain the IRS.

Do you believe that Americans are unable to live their lives honorably and ethically without big government telling them what they should not do?

Sandy
 
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I see, so lying under oath, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and other laws that if you broke, you'd end up in jail for, are not grounds for impeachment of a president?
.....About SEX??!!!!

Hardly (that's not-hardly, for Bush-fans.)

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I did watch and read the testimonies during the Starr investigation. He proved that Clinton had lied under oath. I don't give a rip about what some group somewhere said about some "sin amendment". It doesn't matter to me. That is simply you erecting a straw-man to avoid the question of whether Clinton committed Perjury, obstruction of Justice, and witness tampering, as well as a few dozen others.
Yeah....about SEX!!!!!

(....the most-sex "conservatives" had had, in aeons!!)

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It is so encouraging to find a like-minded politico on this forum (or any forum) and I thank you for your words. I no longer live in California and needed the heat of the desert for my old tired bones. My heart is still there after living 50 years in the Santa Monica Mountains and then 20 years in the mountains south of Big Sur. I settled in Arizona…not bad, but not as free as it should be.

Sandy
Same experience(s), here.

After being born-and-raised in Northern Central PA, I made my move to Boulder County, CO, in '75 (for the next 21 years)....and, 13% humidity!!!! ;)

Unfortunately, a Mother in her early-80s...and, a sense-of-obligation...gradually drew-me-back, to PA....as James Carville (accurately) described it: Pittsburgh & Philidelphia, with Alabama in-between! :eek:

The one thing that helps me maintain my sanity is the Absolute; everything's temporary. :D
 
Mr. Shaman. I have used a quote by Patrick Henry for years as my signature.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people. It is an instrument for people to restrain the government; lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."

The Bill of Rights confirms this by diverting social issues to the States.

The only time this was not the case was the 18th Amendment which was soon repealed. For years I worked on the Liberty Amendment of the Socialistic 16th Amendment but have been unable to get it passed and the repeal that would restrain the IRS.

Do you believe that Americans are unable to live their lives honorably and ethically without big government telling them what they should not do?

Sandy

I was 11-years-old (in '61), and watched the development of Civil Rights, every evening (along with 'Nam), on network-news stations (on T.V.)....the flame that lit the Social Revolution of the late-60s/early-70s.

I'm thinkin' Civil Rights is THE best-example of social-issues, on a National-level.

As-far-as quotes go....gimme the ones, regarding Eternal Vigilance, any day. ;)
 
Mr. Shaman, when you reach my age, temporary does not apply. I've made a complete ass of myself for the last 50 years trying to understand why freedom and liberty are so fragile in America.

People blame it on our immigration, but I don't think so as my family came here to flee from England and Scotland with their religious tenets running everything. I keep hoping that when the new immigrants have their kids in our schools, the freedoms will be exposed. This is not happening.

My handicap is that I attended private schools all the way through and raised by my grandparents who were first Americans and second Mormons. I caught the first part and rejected the last.

My own kids were sent to academic private schools; Christian for 6 years and Secular for the last 6. We had no television and we read the words of our founders constantly. The first public school they attended was "Berkeley" and I had little fear they would be slanted into any Socialistic movement. My own grandkids are not aware of American freedoms and liberties and that is sad but are honest and ethical and fairly well read.
 
Mr Shaman. At 76, I reached my comfort center. I've tried for years to battle bigotry, racism and homophobia. I did better in California but made my last move to Arizona. Every once in awhile I will write a Commentary on something so obvious I need to speak. I spent over 20 years with the Red Cross and several years as a Hospice worker. I'm on the Board of Directors of Death With Dignity and worked in three states to get this passed as state legislation. I worked with 3 states to try and give the gay community the same legal rights that the rest of us enjoy. I am taking ASU extension courses to keep my mind active and read at least 3 books a week.

I'm sorry you challenge my current life style. It is easy to do when you have no clue how I spend my time. I'm leaving for 3 weeks for the Dominican Republic with my youngest girl.....Poor thing is freezing to death in Bethesda Maryland and needs some R and R with her old mother. She just retired from being a Senate Litigator and has accepted a Publisher to have her write a book. Her husband is delighted and may join us for a week. He is a D.C. Attorney who is still active in his work. I do not live near my kids but we are close and share our lives with each other. My son has his own Special Effects Studio and works around the clock with his son and a staff of 30. They will be passing through here when they head for Rosewell New Mexico for a new movie for the History Channel on the UFOs. This is great fun! They all keep me jumping with joy. We all work very hard to keep ahead of whatever is next.


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In 2004 GWB blatantly executed emotional control of his voting blocks by compelling them to vote for him by pandering to their fears of gay/lesbian marriage and rampant abortion.

But he did this so that he would remain in power to continue execution of his economic policy.

He never intended to truly work toward ending abortion and gay/lesbian marriage, and why should he, as if he did he would thereby lose a major method of motivating his supporters to the polls.

Despite GWB's disgusting behavior in this manner, I want social issues to remain a national focus.

One can argue that the states "should" be left to deal with these matters, but so many people have a complete social and fiscal ideology that I can't see a rational reason to leave social issues, when simply not used as a pander tool, out of the national level.

After all, we are a country, and a "state", in effect, of the U.N. We need to present the world with a consistent, well at least every four-years-consistent, social policy as well as a fiscal policy, as how else can we argue for human rights across the globe if we're otherwise a 50-state house divided?

I too wrote in Ron Paul ... but I wouldn' have done so if his position on the social issues wasn't close enough for me to mine.

I don't believe that politics should be just all about the Money System, as then we'd have a method of socioeconomics end up dictating our social behaviors.

Conservatives have specific outlooks on social issues that more often than not differ from those shared by liberals.

Why should these values be put on hold in our presentations to the world when they mean so much to each side?

I look forward to the day when we truly become one country, with the states, a largely outdated concept in this internet-shrunken world, replaced by a more geographically-demographically sensible division.

Indeed, most of our voting outcomes break down to big cities vs. country side, urban manufacturing vs. farming and ranching, congested masses vs. sparse populations ... .

It's really time to look toward making changes to best progress into the future.

But social issues are just as important, and perhaps even more important than economic issues.

After all, foundationally, we're individuals first, interpersonal relators second, socializers third, and socioeconomic participants only fourth.

The last thing I would want to do is to even more sacrifice our humanity to a heartless system of economics ... than we already have.

After all, that's pretty much what has gotten us into the painful recessionary-depressionary mess we're presently in: sacrificing people like pawns for the sake of the Money System.

We social-based human rights laws to reign in the Money System -- or replace it with a more evolved system -- so that we never have to go through this again.
 
Mr Shaman. At 76, I reached my comfort center. I've tried for years to battle bigotry, racism and homophobia. I did better in California but made my last move to Arizona. Every once in awhile I will write a Commentary on something so obvious I need to speak. I spent over 20 years with the Red Cross and several years as a Hospice worker. I'm on the Board of Directors of Death With Dignity and worked in three states to get this passed as state legislation. I worked with 3 states to try and give the gay community the same legal rights that the rest of us enjoy. I am taking ASU extension courses to keep my mind active and read at least 3 books a week.
Yeah.....I've got an 81-year-old Mother who's all-the-time using her age as an excuse for her limited-activity.​
 
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In 2004 GWB blatantly executed emotional control of his voting blocks by compelling them to vote for him by pandering to their fears of gay/lesbian marriage and rampant abortion.

Really.... I voted for him strictly on the basis that I believed Kerry would be a horrible replacement, and ultimately botch the war.

He never intended to truly work toward ending abortion and gay/lesbian marriage, and why should he, as if he did he would thereby lose a major method of motivating his supporters to the polls.

If he wanted to end abortion, how exactly would he go about doing that? He can't force the USSC to make it illegal, nor could he pass a law banning it without them striking it down. So what's your point?

Moreover, he doesn't need to end homo-marriage because it's not legal yet. Your point doesn't make sense.

After all, we are a country, and a "state", in effect, of the U.N. We need to present the world with a consistent, well at least every four-years-consistent, social policy as well as a fiscal policy, as how else can we argue for human rights across the globe if we're otherwise a 50-state house divided?

We are not a state of the U.N. We don't need to present the world with anything. Being a 50-state house didn't stop us in the past, nor should it in the future.

I look forward to the day when we truly become one country, with the states, a largely outdated concept in this internet-shrunken world, replaced by a more geographically-demographically sensible division.

Sounds like a system for tyranny or civil war.

Indeed, most of our voting outcomes break down to big cities vs. country side, urban manufacturing vs. farming and ranching, congested masses vs. sparse populations ...

So?

The last thing I would want to do is to even more sacrifice our humanity to a heartless system of economics ... than we already have.

I don't even understand that concept. Money is simply a commodity like any other. People have always been part of this system, and always will be. There is nothing heartless about economics. In fact, economics is a fact of every life everywhere always.

Being heartless is only a choice of the individual, and will always be a choice of them.

After all, that's pretty much what has gotten us into the painful recessionary-depressionary mess we're presently in: sacrificing people like pawns for the sake of the Money System.

I completely disagree. The problems we're in were caused by government trying to give everyone a free lunch, only to find out, nothings free. Under the direction of government, banks made billions of dollars worth in loans, to people who couldn't pay them back.

We didn't sacrifice people for the sake of the money system. We tried to give to people something they couldn't afford. In effect we tried to circumvent economics, and shockingly, it didn't work.

We social-based human rights laws to reign in the Money System -- or replace it with a more evolved system -- so that we never have to go through this again.

Impossible. You are trying to find a solution to the unsolvable. The problem involved people borrowing money they couldn't afford to borrow. There is no way to prevent that, unless you ban borrowing money. Try that, and you'll find out what a real depression is.
 
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