stop it, please!!!

[mogur]

What’s up with all the founding father (especially Thomas Jefferson) misquotes in signature lines? It’s invariably right wingnuts propping up their wacko, cornball ideas by shrouding themselves in the righteous trappings of founding ideas, yet they almost always turn out to be complete fabrications. I already beat down little-acorn about his Jefferson misquote, but two more have ‘pooped’ up since:

Capitalist Pig– "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

This quote has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears some slight resemblance to a statement he made in a letter to John Norvell of 14 June 1807, "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." However, the quotation as it appears above can definitely be attributed to John Sharp Williams in a speech about Jefferson in 1913. The first time the Williams quote was attributed to Jefferson was in a 1950 Forbes article by Bertie Charles Forbes.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Bad_government_results_from_too_much_government

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/my_reading_of_history_convinces_me_that_most_bad/195448.html

Gipper– “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

Again, the Jefferson Encyclopedia cannot find this quote in any of Thomas Jefferson’s writings. He did write, in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, the following: “...in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.”

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...s_of_the_people_are_criminals_and_government/

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_two_enemies_of_the_people


Please, just because a quotation rattling around inside the echo chamber is attributed to a founding father, doesn’t make it a true quote. Quite the opposite. If you insist on perpetuating misquotes, I will continue to call you out on them. They are a lie and they are disrespectful of our founding fathers. Have some class and use quotes that the founder actually said or wrote. And, you will appear smarter to those outside the right wing circus if you do.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

What’s up with all the founding father (especially Thomas Jefferson) misquotes in signature lines? It’s invariably right wingnuts propping up their wacko, cornball ideas by shrouding themselves in the righteous trappings of founding ideas, yet they almost always turn out to be complete fabrications. I already beat down little-acorn about his Jefferson misquote, but two more have ‘pooped’ up since:

Capitalist Pig– "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

This quote has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears some slight resemblance to a statement he made in a letter to John Norvell of 14 June 1807, "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." However, the quotation as it appears above can definitely be attributed to John Sharp Williams in a speech about Jefferson in 1913. The first time the Williams quote was attributed to Jefferson was in a 1950 Forbes article by Bertie Charles Forbes.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Bad_government_results_from_too_much_government

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/my_reading_of_history_convinces_me_that_most_bad/195448.html

Gipper– “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

Again, the Jefferson Encyclopedia cannot find this quote in any of Thomas Jefferson’s writings. He did write, in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, the following: “...in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.”

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...s_of_the_people_are_criminals_and_government/

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_two_enemies_of_the_people


Please, just because a quotation rattling around inside the echo chamber is attributed to a founding father, doesn’t make it a true quote. Quite the opposite. If you insist on perpetuating misquotes, I will continue to call you out on them. They are a lie and they are disrespectful of our founding fathers. Have some class and use quotes that the founder actually said or wrote. And, you will appear smarter to those outside the right wing circus if you do.

Oh, Mogur...you sweet perfectionist...don't you know that they could care less about 'FACTUAL' information ergo the proof of their cutesy little misquotes, utterances that just don't make any sense, let alone any common sense...it goes to the very core to the person behind the avatar.

BUT NICE TRY...just don't let it drive you as crazy as they are LOL
BTW...on your profile page I left you a message about you neat avatar...why don't you click the option so everyone can see it...that's a pretty fierce picture

 

[pocketfullofshells]

You don't think they really care if they are true do you?

 

[Gipper]

Nice try, but you do not know what you are talking about.

Please See This:
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_two_enemies_of_the_people

 

[mogur]

Gipper, did you even read your own link? BTW, I already posted that link. (Last link in the OP.)

 

[Gipper]

My apologies. I failed to copy the correct link. Here are a couple links claiming Jefferson did write those words. However, I did see that some dispute that he did. But, do you really think Jefferson would not believe these words?

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.A277

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/TJ.html

 

[Little-Acorn]

One of the funnier hysterics leftsits these days are prone to, is when they announce that since Person B said something instead of Person A, somehow that makes the statement itself false.

When that fails, they then start acting like, when there are records showing that both Person A and Person B said it, somehow this makes it legitimate to criticize someone for crediting Person A.

These poor leftist hysterics will do ANYTHING to avoid debating the actual point. It's a gas watching them twist and writhe, trying to pretend that some irrelevancy was actually what needed debate.

For example, let's see, ummm....

"That government is best that governs least, because its people discipline themselves."

There are references on record that Thomas Jefferson said it; and other records that say that some later guy said it. Of course, it's quite possible that both said it. Maybe the later guy was a Jefferson fan.

But is that more important, than the sentiment it expresses? It's one of the founding sentiments of this country: The idea that the less the govt interferes with people's affairs, the better off they are. Because they must then rely on themselves for the energy, discipline, and direction necessary to succeed in life, rather than relying on Government to "help" them by taking things away from others people.

The leftists you hear screaming over this quote and others, are completely unable to refute its idea. No wonder they twist around and start claiming that its pedigree is important, rather than its content.

 

[mogur]

My apologies. I failed to copy the correct link. Here are a couple links claiming Jefferson did write those words. However, I did see that some dispute that he did. But, do you really think Jefferson would not believe these words?

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.A277

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/TJ.html

Look, I understand that once a misquote gets started, that you can back up the misunderstanding by finding people who likewise are using the same misquote. That is just spinning wheels and proving nothing.

If it is a true quote, there should be no problem finding the source of the original quote. Without that, you don't have the right to attribute the quote to anyone.

Now, I have given you three links that show you where the misquote was probably taken from Jefferson's writings-

The Papers of Thomas Jefferson - Kentucky Resolutions
I. Jefferson’s Draft
The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Volume 30: 1 January 1798 to 31 January 1799
(Princeton University Press, 2003), 536-43
[before 4 Oct. 1798]
...in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution:[23] that this commonwealth does therefore call on it’s co-states for an expression of their sentiments on the acts concerning aliens and for the punishment of certain crimes, herein before specified, plainly declaring whether these acts are, or are not, authorised by the federal compact?...
(...)
[23]The long insertion ends here, TJ placing a line of flourishes and then the words “that this” to confirm the resumption of his original text.

And from where the misquote actually started-

The Jefferson misquotation appears in April 2000 in an essay, “Rule by Brute Force,” by Steve Kubby of the American Medical Marijuana Association.

And, (as you accidently did, also) I linked to Thomas Jefferson scholars that do not find the quote in any of his papers-

So far we have been unable to locate such a statement in any of Jefferson's writings. He did employ the phrase "chains of the Constitution" at least once, however, in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798: "...in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution..." (from draft)

As for whether Thomas Jefferson would "really not believe" the rantings of a libertarian marijauana advocate (Steve Kubby), that is up to you to decide. But, it most certainly doesn't give you the right to presume Thomas Jefferson actually made the quote, despite all the evidence that has been presented against its authenticity, and especially without any source reference. THAT I am certain Jefferson would agree with.

 

[Little-Acorn]

(Not a thing about what the quote actually says)

See? He's still at it. Trying to pretend that where the quote came from, is more important than what it says.

These people are so pathetically funny!

 

[mogur]

See? He's still at it. Trying to pretend that where the quote came from, is more important than what it says.

These people are so pathetically funny!

Little nutcase, how do you get out of bed in the morning? Did your mom put a sign up pointing to the floor?

If the message is what's important, and draping your message in the trappings of founding father's wisdom is unimportant, then simply drop the mis-attributions. That's all I ask. If they aren't mis-attributed, then simply show the source reference. It couldn't be any simpler. Even you can grasp that.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Little nutcase, how do you get out of bed in the morning? Did your mom put a sign up pointing to the floor?

If the message is what's important, and draping your message in the trappings of founding father's wisdom is unimportant, then simply drop the mis-attributions. That's all I ask. If they aren't mis-attributed, then simply show the source reference. It couldn't be any simpler. Even you can grasp that.

See? He's still at it. Trying to pretend that where the quote came from, is more important than what it says.

Plus the expected namecalling and personal insults. Not a word on the actual content of the quotes... for obvious reasons.

These people are so pathetically funny!

 

[mogur]

I guess you can't grasp that.

 

[ASPCA4EVER]

I guess you can't grasp that.

Awww just look at that 'FACE'...a face that only a mother could love.

You have arrived and I LIKE THAT AVATAR TOO!

 

[mogur]

Awww just look at that 'FACE'...a face that only a mother could love.

You have arrived and I LIKE THAT AVATAR TOO!

I brush my teeth every other year!!!

 

[Capitalist Pig]

What’s up with all the founding father (especially Thomas Jefferson) misquotes in signature lines? It’s invariably right wingnuts propping up their wacko, cornball ideas by shrouding themselves in the righteous trappings of founding ideas, yet they almost always turn out to be complete fabrications. I already beat down little-acorn about his Jefferson misquote, but two more have ‘pooped’ up since:

Capitalist Pig– "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson

This quote has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It bears some slight resemblance to a statement he made in a letter to John Norvell of 14 June 1807, "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." However, the quotation as it appears above can definitely be attributed to John Sharp Williams in a speech about Jefferson in 1913. The first time the Williams quote was attributed to Jefferson was in a 1950 Forbes article by Bertie Charles Forbes.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Bad_government_results_from_too_much_government

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/my_reading_of_history_convinces_me_that_most_bad/195448.html

Gipper– “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.” Thomas Jefferson

Again, the Jefferson Encyclopedia cannot find this quote in any of Thomas Jefferson’s writings. He did write, in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, the following: “...in questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.”

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php...s_of_the_people_are_criminals_and_government/

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_two_enemies_of_the_people


Please, just because a quotation rattling around inside the echo chamber is attributed to a founding father, doesn’t make it a true quote. Quite the opposite. If you insist on perpetuating misquotes, I will continue to call you out on them. They are a lie and they are disrespectful of our founding fathers. Have some class and use quotes that the founder actually said or wrote. And, you will appear smarter to those outside the right wing circus if you do.

Chill out man. I found the quote on a webpage listing quotes of famous people. Under the section for Thomas Jefferson was this particular gem which is causing you to have your little infantile tantrum. If the quote isn't Jefferson's so be it. But it doesn't mean that I'm stupid, and I really hate to burst your bubble here buddy (that's just me buttering you up actually, in truth I quite enjoy it), but knowing that the quote isn't properly attributed to Jefferson doesn't make you the genius you clearly imagine yourself to be. Try to reign in your impulse to be a dick. Just hold it back, and think to yourself what would I do if I wasn't a dick.... and when you come up with the answer, do that instead.

Have a good one.