Theists and atheists

[Texas_tea]

That would be the Anti-Theists. They are easily spotted as being different from an actual Atheist as the Anti-Theist will always be hateful and viscious towards religion and religious people.

Actual Atheists can't stand the fact that Anti-Theists refuse to refer to themselves as being such but instead muddy the waters by calling themselves Atheists, it causes people to confuse the two and not recognize a very significant difference.

I have a better understanding of your point now. Perhaps the term anti-theist does better describe these groups such as FFRF. However, it does not describe their rabid hate and anti-American stance against the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. I find it to be unfortunate for the Atheists in this Country to have to stand by and watch these hate groups "muddy the waters by calling themselves Atheists".

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I think the real problem is that citizens of most countries tend to believe that propaganda is only used by other nations

Its a bit like children thinking their parents are infallible.

The fact is that governments lie to their citizens all the time. They decide what they want to achieve then decide how to sell it to the masses who they know how to manipulate.

This is why so many Americans don't understand what a cess pit they live in

And because they rarely travel and know nothing about the rest of the world they don't get why so many people hate the US

They don't get how vile and dangerous religion is either. This is because of brainwashing

What I don't get though why they think their brand of religious fundamentalism is superior to anyone else's

 

[GenSeneca]

I have a better understanding of your point now.

I believe you do.

Perhaps the term anti-theist does better describe these groups such as FFRF.

It does.

However, it does not describe their rabid hate and anti-American stance against the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

Actually, it does... They are ANTI-Theists, they oppose theism. Naturally they would consider the first amendment, which allows individuals religious freedom, to be an obstacle to their ultimate goal of eradicating Theism.

I find it to be unfortunate for the Atheists in this Country to have to stand by and watch these hate groups "muddy the waters by calling themselves Atheists".

I for one do not stand idly by, as my participation in this thread has shown, but rather actively try to explain the difference between Atheism and Anti-Theism whenever I get the chance.

 

[Texas_tea]

I for one do not stand idly by, as my participation in this thread has shown, but rather actively try to explain the difference between Atheism and Anti-Theism whenever I get the chance.

Thanks for the perspective. I have to say you are the first Atheist I have communicated with that has not taken an angry hateful anti-theist stance and has tried to clarify a difference.

 

[Texas_tea]

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Why do you guys think it is ok for the religious to be militant but not the atheist?

Wouldn't be more hypocrisy by any chance would it?

 

[Texas_tea]

Atheists Use Video Showing Churches Burning & Bloodied Cross to Promote Army-Sponsored Concert


Why in the world would atheists be using a music video that celebrates the burning of churches and bloodied crosses to promote an upcoming music festival? While a viable answer to this question is hard to fathom, this is exactly what’s going on as non-believers prepare for “Rock Beyond Belief,” a massive Army-sponsored music festival occurring at Fort Bragg in North Carolina.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ath...died-cross-to-promote-army-sponsored-concert/

Although GenSeneca, I agree with your description of atheist and anti-theist, I simply believe that the rest of the people in our society, including the atheist/anti-theist themselves do not see it that way. If you are "atheist" today, you are also anti-theist, anti-American, and associate yourself with hate groups. It is understood that not all may feel this way, but it is obvious that the majority in our society see it this way. As this news article states: "Atheist use Video" not "Anti-theist". Any time you see anything about Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) in the news they are always referred to as "Atheist", not "Anti-theist". I must stand on my original comment. Atheist, in today's society are an Anti-American hate group!

 

[GenSeneca]

Although GenSeneca, I agree with your description of atheist and anti-theist, I simply believe that the rest of the people in our society, including the atheist/anti-theist themselves do not see it that way.

If you point out to others that such people, and groups, are actually Anti-Theists and explain to them why that term is more applicable, it would only be a matter of time before "the rest of the people in our society" and "news articles" would also refer to them as being Anti-Theist. By doing so, you would gain the Atheists as an ally against the Anti-Theists. By perpetuating the myth that Atheists are Anti-Theists, you are alienating people like myself who stand against the bigotry of Anti-Theists.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.​

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I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in God. I am not an Anti-Theist, I do not oppose the belief in God. You are trying to claim that because I do not share your belief in God, you consider me to be part of an "Anti-American hate group" that opposes the belief in God. That simply isn't a logical conclusion.

 

[Texas_tea]

If you point out to others that such people, and groups, are actually Anti-Theists and explain to them why that term is more applicable, it would only be a matter of time before "the rest of the people in our society" and "news articles" would also refer to them as being Anti-Theist. By doing so, you would gain the Atheists as an ally against the Anti-Theists. By perpetuating the myth that Atheists are Anti-Theists, you are alienating people like myself who stand against the bigotry of Anti-Theists.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.​

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I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in God. I am not an Anti-Theist, I do not oppose the belief in God. You are trying to claim that because I do not share your belief in God, you consider me to be part of an "Anti-American hate group" that opposes the belief in God. That simply isn't a logical conclusion.

I never said I believed in God nor that I believed you were part of an anti-American hate group. I merely commented on the reality of the understanding of the word atheists in our society today. There is nothing bigoted about my comment. It is not exactly my "opinion". I pointed out more than one example of how atheists are viewed in our society today, both by themselves and by others. This would be fact, not without dispute of course, but clearly not opinion.

I admire your thoughts and efforts to clarify to others about the real differences between atheists and anti-theist, but I don't believe it will have much impact. It would be like trying to convince liberals that their ideology is really socialist and therefore not compatible with the Constitution. No matter how much truth there are in these statements, convincing enough people otherwise of these truths is another matter.

 

[GenSeneca]

I admire your thoughts and efforts to clarify to others about the real differences between atheists and anti-theist, but I don't believe it will have much impact.

I make the distinction any time I can, it's important to me, and it should be important to anyone who cares more about truth than what "other" people may think or believe.

No matter how much truth there are in these statements, convincing enough people otherwise of these truths is another matter.

If you recognize the truth of my statements, that should be enough. My logic and reason are sound, people who oppose religion are Anti-Theists, regardless of what they call themselves or how they are referred to by others.

Who would it offend if you were to start referring to people who oppose religion as being Anti-Theists?
What do you have to lose by doing so?

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

For consistency then there should be labels for people disbelieving in any area

So are you an anti-elvesist?

An anti-santaist?

Etc for a very long time

It is a measure of the perniciousness of religion that you need a label for not buying the utterly ludicrous fantasy

 

[Texas_tea]

I make the distinction any time I can, it's important to me, and it should be important to anyone who cares more about truth than what "other" people may think or believe.


If you recognize the truth of my statements, that should be enough. My logic and reason are sound, people who oppose religion are Anti-Theists, regardless of what they call themselves or how they are referred to by others.

Who would it offend if you were to start referring to people who oppose religion as being Anti-Theists?
What do you have to lose by doing so?

Again, we agree on this matter. As Conservatives, we already find ourselves constantly clarifying the truth in political, cultural, and religious topics. However, as with most non-truths, spins, or lies there is a motive to do so. I could only speculate what the motive in this case would be.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Religion is just a pack of lies that you have to keep 'clarifying' because science keeps proving its assertions to be false

 

[GenSeneca]

Religion is just a pack of lies that you have to keep 'clarifying' because science keeps proving its assertions to be false

Said the Anti-Theist...

 

[dogtowner]

Said the Anti-Theist...

... sans proof