U.S. health care lagging

and your proof is. . . .more canned propaganda against the Left?

No, that's funny!

A perfect testimony to your credibility! :rolleyes::D:D

Are you really going to deny that you do NOT believe at least some of the lies I posted? You are not a liberal if you don't believe in lies. And, we both know you are a liberal.

So please my sweet, could you clarify?
 
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Proof is the Left admits to ALWAYS lying. Their motto is 'the ends justify the means.' Let me know if you need me to explain their motto to you.

So, the left is always lying, every nation in the world except the USA represents the left, so therefore, they are all lying.

Interesting bit of logic there, but it is a bit circular, don't you think old chap?
 
Are you really going to deny that you do NOT believe at least some of the lies I posted? You are not a liberal if you don't believe in lies. And, we both know you are a liberal.

So please my sweet, could you clarify?

circular thinking! YOU believe information provided by MANY, reputable sources are lies, if they don't fit within your frame of reference.

And YOU believe that anyone who take those sources, statistics, and personal experience as valid are lying. . .

so, your ONLY point of reference is wether or not YOU accept something as "truth'" (if it reinforces your views) or s "lies" if it does not meet with your view.

in other word, you are taking YOURSELF and your BELIEFS as the ONLY truth, and the only valid way of thinking in the whole world.

You don't even feel the need to provide ANY ouside sources, to demonstate that your opinion has validity in the real world. But you deny any validity to ANY sources that do not support your opinion!

You may want to discuss this with some of your close friends. . .maybe even with a professional, because you seem to be drifting toward complete delusional thinking!
 
The article goes on to state corruption is rampant in the Greek system. Greek doctors are poorly paid, so patients must pay if they want service.


I don't think you will find that stat. Most of the socialist systems do a good job of hiding the truth and the American media does a great job of NOT looking for it.

So basically you have found another example in which socialized medicine hides the costs.
 
I'm on Medicare, and have been for a couple of years now.

I get the same level of care I did with private insurance.

The bottom line is that we seniors would not have health care without Medicare. Nobody, but no body wants to sell insurance to seniors, and if they did, it would be so expensive no one could afford it.

What we really should do is just gradually decrease the age requirement until everyone is eligible for Medicare. If employers had the option of paying into Medicare instead of paying for insurance for their employees, they could save a ton of money, probably more than they would save with a tax break.


If all the money you were forced to pay into social security were still in your investments then you would have the money to pay premiums. And if you bought and held health insurance starting when you were young and it were illegal to kick out longstanding paying customers simply based on age discrimination then you would have no problem.
 
An interesting if long article detailing the financially failing Euro Health systems.

guess what... even more rationing is coming down the pike.

from the executive summary of this 54 page PDF

l Keeping the universal healthcare model will require rationing of services and consolidation of healthcare facilities, as public resources fall short of demand.

l General physicians will become more important as gatekeepers to the system and as co-ordinators of treatment for patients with multiple health issues.

l More effective preventive measures and fundamental lifestyle changes will be promoted to encourage healthy behaviour.

l European governments will need to find a way to improve collection and transparency of health data in order to prioritise investment decisions.

l Patients will need to take more responsibility for their own health, treatment and care.

l Governments will have to tackle bureaucracy and liberalise rules that restrict the roles of healthcare professionals and artificially raise the cost of medical research.
 
If all the money you were forced to pay into social security were still in your investments then you would have the money to pay premiums. And if you bought and held health insurance starting when you were young and it were illegal to kick out longstanding paying customers simply based on age discrimination then you would have no problem.

I didn't pay into SS, and so am not eligible to collect it.
 
I didn't pay into SS, and so am not eligible to collect it.

Most of the other people in the nation did and you are benefiting from their contributions.

You probably paid into a pension that did not fund medicare but you still get to claim medicare. Your pension probably pays out better than social security does for most people. That's not right.

Or perhaps you did have medicare taxes deducted but not social security taxes. In that case just reword what I said previously but insert medicare taxes instead of social security taxes.

If you did not have medicare then you would have saved more of your own money to use for future medical expenses, you would be using some of your pension to pay for medical expenses.

If no one had medicare then all of us would have had to save and pay for medical expenses on our own and the costs of those expenses would be far lower thus making them more affordable for all.
 
How the heck did you get out of that? I want to get out of that. I have had to pay into that since I was 12 years old and I know I will never see a dime

You will see money out of it. You won't see as much as you would had you paid into a 401K or something, but you'll see a small stipend eventually. SS isn't dead, despite what is being said about it.

I got out of it because I was a part of a state retirement system. I paid 8%, matched by 8% from my employers, for 38 years. Since the money went to a real trust fund where the feds didn't pi** it away, and where that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union wouldn't let the state to pi** it away either, I wound up with a far better retirement than I would have from SS. Everyone should have such a system, really, and could if the SS were properly administered.

Maybe it would be if everyone had an advocate like that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union.

But, they don't, unfortunately.

I'm thankful for that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union.
 
Most of the other people in the nation did and you are benefiting from their contributions.

How so? I'm not collecting a dime, nor do I ever expect to.


You probably paid into a pension that did not fund medicare but you still get to claim medicare. Your pension probably pays out better than social security does for most people. That's not right.

SS does not fund Medicare.

Or perhaps you did have medicare taxes deducted but not social security taxes.

That is exactly what happened.

In that case just reword what I said previously but insert medicare taxes instead of social security taxes.

Why? I paid Medicare taxes right along with everyone else.

Of course, neither I nor anyone else actually paid the actual cost of Medicare out of the payroll taxes that were deducted. That is due to the escalating cost of medical care in general.



If you did not have medicare then you would have saved more of your own money to use for future medical expenses, you would be using some of your pension to pay for medical expenses.

There is no way I or anyone else in my age group could ever have enough to pay for medical care, and no one is going to sell us medical insurance.

Medicare is the only option for seniors at this point.



If no one had medicare then all of us would have had to save and pay for medical expenses on our own and the costs of those expenses would be far lower thus making them more affordable for all.

Without Medicare, seniors would not have access to medical care. That's the big elephant in the room.

You have advocated a system in which young people take out a policy that can't be cancelled as they age. Now, that has possibilities. Such a policy did not exist when I was young, however.

Moreover, back in the '60s, medical insurance was cheap. Providing it to employees was not a problem. It was a perk that was expected with most jobs.

When my son was born in 1969, medical insurance didn't pay for childbirth. Somehow, the company thought a childbirth was something that was planned, not a medical emergency. It cost us $250 for a normal childbirth and an overnight stay in the hospital.

When my grandson was born in 2001, the same service was over $10,000.

Costs have to be reined in, or they will bankrupt the nation.
 
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You will see money out of it. You won't see as much as you would had you paid into a 401K or something, but you'll see a small stipend eventually. SS isn't dead, despite what is being said about it.

I got out of it because I was a part of a state retirement system. I paid 8%, matched by 8% from my employers, for 38 years. Since the money went to a real trust fund where the feds didn't pi** it away, and where that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union wouldn't let the state to pi** it away either, I wound up with a far better retirement than I would have from SS. Everyone should have such a system, really, and could if the SS were properly administered.

Maybe it would be if everyone had an advocate like that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union.

But, they don't, unfortunately.

I'm thankful for that evil, socialistic, terrible teacher's union.


trouble in paradise mate. hope things work out for you.
 
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