US to stay in Iraq

Popeye

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Myself, and others, have said this war was really all about oil and a permanent US presence in the Mideast. No, no, we were told, when the job is done we will come home. Sure, sure you will.

US pledges long-term presence in Iraq



Monday November 26, 2007
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The Bush administration today formally committed America to a long-term military presence in Iraq by entering into a strategic partnership with the authorities in Baghdad.

President George Bush and the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, signed an agreement to begin negotiating on future military, economic and diplomatic cooperation during a video conference this morning, the White House said.

The declaration of principles, which is not binding, will set the agenda for a future American relationship with Iraq, Bush's coordinator on Iraq and Afghanistan, General Douglas Lute, told reporters at the White House today.

"The two negotiating teams, Iraq and the United States, now have a common sheet of music with which to begin the negotiations," Lute said.

He offered few details on the scale of the future US military commitment to Iraq in terms of troop levels or permanent US bases.

He noted that the agreement, because it was not a treaty, would not be subject to oversight by Congress.

"What we expect this to do is provide a bilateral mandate ... for the continued presence and mission of US troops," Lute said.

"What US troops are doing, how many troops are required to do that, are bases required, which partners will join them, all these things are on the table."

The Associated Press reported from Baghdad that the proposal would give America preferential treatment for investments in Iraq - a potential bonanza for oil companies - in return for long-term security guarantees, including defense against internal coups.
Permanent bases, a potential bonanza for oil companies, a puppet government, what a surprise, and what a great recruiting tool for the terrorists.
 
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I dont see anything written here that wasnt already obvious to a casual observer.
 

palerider

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So what explanation do you have for our presence for 50 years in germany and our presence for 50 years in the philipines, and our continued presence in korea, and our continued presence in japan and all the other places US troops might be stationed?

Were those about oil as well?

Also, since oil is a commodity, sold on a world market, exactly what oil benefit do you believe we get as a nation from being there?
 

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Right. There aren't many people in this country anymore who don't know that. Keep on spending billions every week to hold down the price of oil.

Like so many things the government promotes, there isn't going to be a profit on this venture. And of course, that cynically ignores the cost of human lives lost. Those are not only priceless, but unforgivably taken for the comfort of the richest.
 

USMC the Almighty

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Are either of you two even going to pretend to address palerider's points on keep on riding the wholly unsubstantiated, illogical "blood for oil" train?
 

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So what explanation do you have for our presence for 50 years in germany and our presence for 50 years in the philipines, and our continued presence in korea, and our continued presence in japan and all the other places US troops might be stationed?

Preventing the spread of communism.

Also, since oil is a commodity, sold on a world market, exactly what oil benefit do you believe we get as a nation from being there?

A) They're still willing to sell to us and we're in a position to make sure it stays that way. B) We can make sure the upheval doesn't have too detrimental an effect on oil exports, keeping the oil flowing.

In other words, we get the benefit of continuing to get it.
 

palerider

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Preventing the spread of communism.



A) They're still willing to sell to us and we're in a position to make sure it stays that way. B) We can make sure the upheval doesn't have too detrimental an effect on oil exports, keeping the oil flowing.

In other words, we get the benefit of continuing to get it.

Sorry, we simply will never get "first dibs" on iraq's oil because the system doesn't work like that.
 
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TVoffBrainOn

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Sorry, we simply will never get "first dibs" on iraq's oil because the system doesn't work like that.

American Oil companies will.

It's one of the benchmarks for recieving reconstruction fund from the US. The privatization law, written by American oil company consultants hired by the Bush administration, would leave control with the Iraq national Oil Company for only 17 of the 80 known oil fields. The remainder (two-thirds) of known oil fields, and all yet undiscovered ones, would be up for grabs by the private oil companies of the world .

No other nation in the Middle East has privatized its oil. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Iran give only limited usage contracts to international oil companies for one or two years. The $120 billion dollar "Support the Troops" legislation passed by Congress in Mayrequires Iraq, in order to get reconstruction funds from the United States, to privatize its oil resources and put them up for long term (20- to 30-year) contracts.
 
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