Zeitgeist - fantastic documentary

So its your contention that this "Documentary" is 100% accurate with NO lies or omissions of any kind?

First of all, did you even watch it?

I'm saying numerous facts and pieces of evidence are presented in "9/11: Press for Truth" - if you claim they're lying, then prove it. Show me SPECIFICALLY where they're wrong.
 
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So let me get this straight... You have NO interest in discussing Zeitgiest now? You're trying to redirect me elsewhere?

Its clear your only looking to WASTE MY TIME and not actually talk about any of this UNLESS I AGREE.

Bad show.
 
So let me get this straight... You have NO interest in discussing Zeitgiest now? You're trying to redirect me elsewhere?


Did you even watch all of Zeitgeist? Easy question - if you watched it, tell us who was interviewed about his former friendship with a prominent person in Part 3?

You're the one saying the 9/11 claims in Zeitgeist are wrong. Much of the same documentation is used in 9/11: Press for Truth - except it's more detailed. So do extra details bother you?
 
Did you read my post? The numbers that precede each of my comments are directing you to the exact part of the movie to which I'm referring:
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1:34:51 - Comparing Hitler's "Enabling Act" to the PATRIOT ACT claiming they both strip the civil liberties from the citizenry. This is just a flat out lie. The "enabling act" stated: "the government was authorized to legislate without the consent of the Reichstag" and has nothing to do with civil liberties. The PATRIOT ACT did not, and does not, restrict Congress (Reichstag equivalent) in any way and Bush is certainly not authorized to govern without them. I wont bother going into details about PA's effects on civil liberties here, I have done that in the PA thread and concerns are overblown. Sunset clauses in the legislation are the only similarities I can find, which would be the same conclusion drawn by anyone who actually read the documents. The people who made this movie are betting you haven't and won't.

The United States has enacted 5 "enabling acts", each one dealt with bringing a new state into the union and did so without abolishing Congress or stripping civil liberties.

It was actually the Reichstag Fire Decree that stripped the German people of their civil rights and not the "Enabling Act". The Fire decree had no sunset clause.
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I shouldn't have to prove to you that 9/11 WASN'T an inside job before you can admit to the fasle claims put forth in the movie.
 
Yes, the answer to the question I asked is not in your post. Will you please answer it if you watched the documentary. It's a very easy to answer, if you watched it.

And I will not answer that question, or any others, until you address what I originally posted about. What would be the point? Whatever you're trying to point out may very well be part of the 70% of truth that I gave the movie, but I'm not interested in what they didn't lie about - only what they did lie about.

You're use of re-direction will not work with me. Call me names, declare victory for my refusal to answer, but that will not change the fact that you are attempting to cover up the lies promulgated in this film. Government and politicians lie, we all know this - that doesn't excuse the filmmaker for pushing his own lies.
 
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42183 I think you just scrambled up some review you found on line.

"At 32:26 - 32:30 ---- there is a list of names...Mine is sixth from the bottom in the right hand column."

My name is Seneca, go ahead and check it on the film - then come back and apologize.
 
"At 32:26 - 32:30 ---- there is a list of names...Mine is sixth from the bottom in the right hand column."

My name is Seneca, go ahead and check it on the film - then come back and apologize.

So you clicked on the click? Doesn't prove you watched you movie. Why can't you answer my simple question?
 
Doesn't prove you watched you movie.

How do I know you watched it? You pretend like the things I claim DON'T appear in the film....

...the "pancake" explanation on the film (49:10 - 49:20), uses a fraudulent diagram to represent the skeleton of the WTC towers. The support columns were around the outside of the building, hundreds of them, but the narrator only mentions the 47 in each tower, at the core of the buildings. Pay close attention to the picture of the fallen trade center (49:21) immediately following the diagram, you can see the outlines of the WTC building...thats whats left of the actual support columns and they stretch hundreds of feet into the air, as the narrator suggests the 47 center ones would be if they were the main support columns.

Attempts at "blocking and bridging" are not going to work with me...

But I understand... its the only way you can prevent admitting to the movies flagrant inaccuracies... Your desperation is showing.

You only discredit yourself by trying to claim I haven't watched the movie, so please, keep at it. :)
 
How do I know you watched it? You pretend like the things I claim DON'T appear in the film....

...the "pancake" explanation on the film (49:10 - 49:20), uses a fraudulent diagram to represent the skeleton of the WTC towers.

Because they're just claims. They're irrelevant. You say it's a fraudulent diagram but WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE TO PROVE THIS? Claims and opinions are irrelevant. There's no need to respond to them because they don't prove anything.

Attempts at "blocking and bridging" are not going to work with me...

What isn't going to work is your refusal to answer a simple question. Since you refuse to do so, I think it's quite clear you didn't watch the entire film.
 
Somewhere they mention the "vaporized" planes and lament the lack of debris recovered. The debris was recovered, well documented and studied, and there are pictures of it available as well as testimony from hundreds of eyewitnesses but none of that appears in the film.

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They also ignore the numerous eyewitness accounts of people who saw a 757 hit the pentagon.
"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001
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Its silly to pretend Zeitgeist ISN'T packed with lies....
 
There was a woman who used to frequent the news in a talking round table type forum. Her husband (I think) works for the pentagon. She died in the plane that crashed into the pentagon. She had a very nice career being a guest on various news programs, her husband was crushed when she died.

When people try to tell me that no plane crashed into the pentagon I ask them, what became of those people? Did they willingly go into hiding? Are their families just acting sad? Do they not care about their kids enough to let them think they died?
 
...the "pancake" explanation on the film (49:10 - 49:20), uses a fraudulent diagram to represent the skeleton of the WTC towers. The support columns were around the outside of the building, hundreds of them, but the narrator only mentions the 47 in each tower, at the core of the buildings. Pay close attention to the picture of the fallen trade center (49:21) immediately following the diagram, you can see the outlines of the WTC building...thats whats left of the actual support columns and they stretch hundreds of feet into the air, as the narrator suggests the 47 center ones would be if they were the main support columns.

Here is a similar diagram to the one provided in the movie (I don't have screen cap, sorry) but this one is from 911review.org:
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Notice there is NO mention of the outer support columns and the center support structure is made to look like the 47 center support columns are tightly grouped, packed in concrete and responsible for supporting the the buildings vertical and horizontal loads.....
This is what the real structural design looked like:
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Notice how the outer columns, responsible for supporting ALL the horizontal loads, appear in this diagram but are absent in the other. The center 47 columns are also not nearly as compact as suggested by the diagram Zeitgeist uses.
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Zeitgeist LIES....
 
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50:19 - 50:20 Freefall speed is mentioned...Mwahahahaha!

Zeitgeist claim: The individual floor levels in the twin towers did not impact one another to slow the rate of collapse. The movie claims the main support column was severed with explosives and all the individual floor levels fell at once, like that of a controlled demolition.

Here's a picture thats supposed to prove the towers were brought down by a controlled demolition:
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Here's a picture you didn't see in Zeitgeist:
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You can clearly see the steel worker in the background on a marklift. Look closer and you see that he is holding an acetyline torch - used for cutting steel beams. This accounts for the angular cuts and the molten steel.

Now onto why "FreeFall" speed is so hilarious an accusation:


Look closely at the debris in this photo
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FreeFall speed suggests the towers fell completely unimpeded - not impacting floor after floor as the building collapsed. But as you can see, the debris is falling much faster than the building. In fact, the debris has been blown OUT hundreds of feet away from the building and still manages to fall to earth faster than the building.
In this next photo, you can see a large chunk of the building falling just as the collapse began:
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Now had the towers truly fallen at free fall speeds as alleged, this chunk would be falling at the same rate as the building itself... You can see thats clearly not the case.

FreeFall speed claim OWNED!
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