Gitmo, gitclosed

[Andy]

Just for saying that, we should jail you with no trail...you know since you support that. Hell we dont even need to charge you.

Lawyers are for all people not just the innocent. Sad how many slow people dont get that simple concept. What is a system of law if you just say, well only innocent people get fair trials....

Maybe if he was captured fighting against US forces, or found in a known terrorist training camp.... you know, like where most of the Gitmo detainees were found.

 

[Andy]

Of course they wont be allowed to "walk the streets" what is going to happen, is that over the next year, all of the approx. 250 detainees there will have thier case reviewed and then decided on through a case by case process.
If they can be tried in American courts, they could be released to the judicial system in the country where they came from, or another appropriate third country.

Most of the countries they came from, have recognized them as terrorist, or combatants. They will not allow them to return. OF the "third countries" that will have them back, boy that's great... maybe they can go back to the Jihad and commit more terrorism like that guy who went back to Pakistan.

The point is, this is a negative from any view point, unless your an ignorant rosy glasses left-ist.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

As they have not been tried or convicted of any crime I would love to know how you know this

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Another superficial feel good gesture that will result in the opposite of it's intended purpose.

Captured military combatants will simply be held and interrogated in non-US facilities, resulting it like more torture, such as has been documented as happening with German interrogators, and likely we'll get less valuable information then if we interrogated them ourselves.

This is what happened before Gitmo. They will simply revert back to this, and "The beatings will continue".

All-of-this, from the same folks who (always) insisted The WMDs WOULD be found!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Will someone explain where these people are going to go now?

Yeah....we wouldn't want to waste-any-time, trying to verify whether-or-not they actually BELONGED-there, first!!!​

"The commission should determine what went wrong and who should be held accountable, and recommend ways to help those falsely imprisoned clear their names and recover from the abuses they have suffered.

We must get at the truth that the Bush administration has tried for so many years to hide. Only then will we restore America's commitment to humane treatment and rule of law."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Their own countries don't want them because they are terrorist.

That's what you heard, huh???

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[Mr. Shaman]

Obama should have taken a bit more time before signing that bill. He should have figured out where they will go and give a better description of how he expects them to be treated.

Whatta great time to consider such things.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Well many in the Bush admin have been pushing to close it down......

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, and their (collective) dogs ate all-of-the-homework that justified BUSHCO's gulag, as well....right?


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[Mr. Shaman]

What is a system of law if you just say, well only innocent people get fair trials....

Well....occasionally.​

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

I love the way all the neocons are so concerned about those illegally imprisoned without trial in the most degrading of conditions.

It's funny cos when Sarah Plain ridiculed Obama for defending their human rights the necons whooped for joy.

But then I suppose that to neocons human rights only extend to other neocons.

Which is kind of ironic when you consider that they are inhuman and rarely right.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Have you seen some of the Obama supporters here on this forum? I guess not many "smart" people are voting for Obama.

Yeah....it's a sad day for Bush's base!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Maybe if he was captured fighting against US forces, or found in a known terrorist training camp.... you know, like where most of the Gitmo detainees were found.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, Skippy!!

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"Dr. Najeeb bin Mohamed Ahmed al Nuaimi, the former justice minister of Qatar and head of the Arab Lawyers Committee charged with defending 95 detainees, says many had no connection with Al Qaeda or even the Taliban. They include an Al Jazeera cameraman captured by the Northern Alliance and several Afghani religious students. "The Afghan warlords in the Northern Alliance sold many wealthy Saudis back to Saudi Arabia for $10,000 and then sold Pakistanis to their friends and family for $3,000. They gave the Americans ones they couldn't sell," he says, mostly low-ranking soldiers or innocent people scooped up in the war."

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

Andy seems to have a lot of information about the detainees.

He knows where they were found and what they have done which is interesting because usually you need to hold a trial and get a conviction before you can legitimately state what criminals have done and imprison them.

But then they are Muslims and if the US arrested them they must be guilty. You don't need to waste time with the formality of trial.

I mean, if a Muslim, underthe honourable and lordly pressure of noble US torture says that he knows someone is bad guy, well they must be mustn't they cos the US never does anything wrong.

In fact, I don't know why all civil rights groups don't just pack up and let the US decide on what should happen to citizens of the world.

After all, the US has led the way on important issues like civil rights hasn't it?

 

[Pandora]

umm actuly thats what the bill is, a bill that sets in motion finding out what do do with them that actuly holds up to our laws, constitution, and values. It does not just say close them, and let let them out in the streets like some of you act like it does.

that is stupid, these are not regular prisoners, if there were another place for them better than where they were they would already be there.

Mertha seems to be the only one who wants them but he only has a min security, and I am sure the people of the state DO NOT WANT THEM, not that mertha would care about that.....it will take more than 12 months to find the location do construction and all the other stuff, when you have that worked out then set a date to close it.

 

[Dawkinsrocks]

''that is stupid, these are not regular prisoners, if there were another place for them better than where they were they would already be there.''

That's right, the US only ever does the absolute best.

How could anyone even think that there was any better way than illegally imprisoning people for years without trial amongst soldiers who treat them like ****?