How would the Democrat Party change if lying by their members was made punishable by physical punishment? Whipping? Stockades?

[pjmret]

Do you not see the contradiction in Democrats demands that voting fraud investigations be blocked until evidence from voting fraud investigations is proven?

One America News Network

Voting fraud evidence raises suspicions over Dems' refusal to allow audit of voting machines

"democrats" can't block anything a court orders, moron.
and yes, you don't investigate somethingif you dont have some evidence to start with. that's basic common sense, moron. duh.

 

[mark francis]

so file a case now, moron. duh.
but you morons wont because you STILL have no credible evidence. duh.

and if you morons had no credible evidence originally and yet filed over 60 cases? wow, talk about stupid AND desperate

I cannot file a court case because I am not a lawyer and dozens of courts have already rejected voting fraud cases on jurisdictional grounds just like that, rather than rejecting voting fraud cases on the evidence.

 

[mark francis]

"democrats" can't block anything a court orders, moron.
and yes, you don't investigate somethingif you dont have some evidence to start with. that's basic common sense, moron. duh.

Not true. Democrats defy court orders all the time. It is always the Democrats who fight court orders to clean up bloated voting registries, proving Democrats are more interested in using ineligible votes to maintain their illegitimate holds on political power.

Michigan’s Secretary of State Fights to Keep Dead on Voter Rolls | The Heritage Foundation 8-31-22
Michigan’s Secretary of State Fights to Keep Dead on Voter Rolls
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Exclusive: Judicial Watch Uncovers Dirty Voter Rolls, Fights for Election Integrity | Judicial Watch 1-12-22
INVESTIGATIVE BULLETIN|JANUARY 12, 2022

Exclusive: Judicial Watch Uncovers Dirty Voter Rolls, Fights for Election Integrity

Judicial Watch sent warning letters to state election officials in five states—New York, California, Oregon, Arkansas, and Illinois—noting the impossibly low numbers of statutory removals. The warning letters give the state 90 days to correct the record. “If the data are incorrect,” the Judicial Watch letters note, “please provide what you believe to be the correct numbers.” If the numbers are not corrected or otherwise resolved within 90 days, “we will commence a federal lawsuit.” Read the letters here.

Judicial Watch supporters know that this is not our first rodeo.

 

[pjmret]

I cannot file a court case because I am not a lawyer and dozens of courts have already rejected voting fraud cases on jurisdictional grounds just like that, rather than rejecting voting fraud cases on the evidence.

omg we've been over this already, moron.
of course I don't mean you personally. duh. I mean your side..republicans..the side you always take. duh.
god you post the dumbest things. lol

 

[pjmret]

Not true. Democrats defy court orders all the time. It is always the Democrats who fight court orders to clean up bloated voting registries, proving Democrats are more interested in using ineligible votes to maintain their illegitimate holds on political power.

Michigan’s Secretary of State Fights to Keep Dead on Voter Rolls | The Heritage Foundation 8-31-22
Michigan’s Secretary of State Fights to Keep Dead on Voter Rolls
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Exclusive: Judicial Watch Uncovers Dirty Voter Rolls, Fights for Election Integrity | Judicial Watch 1-12-22
INVESTIGATIVE BULLETIN|JANUARY 12, 2022

Exclusive: Judicial Watch Uncovers Dirty Voter Rolls, Fights for Election Integrity

Judicial Watch sent warning letters to state election officials in five states—New York, California, Oregon, Arkansas, and Illinois—noting the impossibly low numbers of statutory removals. The warning letters give the state 90 days to correct the record. “If the data are incorrect,” the Judicial Watch letters note, “please provide what you believe to be the correct numbers.” If the numbers are not corrected or otherwise resolved within 90 days, “we will commence a federal lawsuit.” Read the letters here.

Judicial Watch supporters know that this is not our first rodeo.

nothing there about blocking legitimate investigation of fraud, moron. lol

 

[mark francis]

omg we've been over this already, moron.
of course I don't mean you personally. duh. I mean your side..republicans..the side you always take. duh.
god you post the dumbest things. lol

Some are still filing court cases and many of those are still being rejected in spite of the compelling evidence of fraud. That is what happened in this case where the judge would not even consider the plausibility of the evidence of fraud and simply ruled against voter fraud because he wanted to.

BREAKING: Circuit Judge In Crooked Wayne County, MI Ignores Horror Stories From Bullied GOP Poll Challengers…Refuses To Stop Certification of Election Results | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray | 109

BREAKING: Circuit Judge In Crooked Wayne County, MI Ignores Horror Stories From Bullied GOP Poll Challengers…Refuses To Stop Certification of Election Results

By Patty McMurray Nov. 13, 2020 6:42 pm564 Comments

In what can only be described as a shocking decision, Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Timothy Kenny has denied a request to stop the canvassing and certification of Wayne County’s election result, calling sworn affidavits of six GOP poll challengers and a Detroit City Clerk employee whistleblower account, “not credible.”

100 Percent Fed Up – Judge Kenny also rejected poll challengers’ request for an independent audit of the county’s results, citing that state law governs the audit process.

Judge Timothy Kenny

Detroit News – The judge cast doubt on the affidavits of several GOP poll challengers who were present during the absentee counting process, writing that they had not attended an Oct. 29 walkthrough of operations at TCF Center and “did not have a full understanding” of the process.

 

[mark francis]

nothing there about blocking legitimate investigation of fraud, moron. lol

One America News Network

Voting fraud evidence raises suspicions over Dems' refusal to allow audit of voting machines

 

[LittleGreenMan]

You potheads do understand that if Trump is elected there will be a housecleaning and the FBI, et al will actually be investigating criminal events, like crooked elections? There's an agenda of things that need to be looked at very close, and treason is punishable by death. There's a light at the end of the tunnel Dems...

 

[pjmret]

Some are still filing court cases and many of those are still being rejected in spite of the compelling evidence of fraud. That is what happened in this case where the judge would not even consider the plausibility of the evidence of fraud and simply ruled against voter fraud because he wanted to.

BREAKING: Circuit Judge In Crooked Wayne County, MI Ignores Horror Stories From Bullied GOP Poll Challengers…Refuses To Stop Certification of Election Results | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray | 109

BREAKING: Circuit Judge In Crooked Wayne County, MI Ignores Horror Stories From Bullied GOP Poll Challengers…Refuses To Stop Certification of Election Results

By Patty McMurray Nov. 13, 2020 6:42 pm564 Comments

In what can only be described as a shocking decision, Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Timothy Kenny has denied a request to stop the canvassing and certification of Wayne County’s election result, calling sworn affidavits of six GOP poll challengers and a Detroit City Clerk employee whistleblower account, “not credible.”

100 Percent Fed Up – Judge Kenny also rejected poll challengers’ request for an independent audit of the county’s results, citing that state law governs the audit process.

Judge Timothy Kenny

Detroit News – The judge cast doubt on the affidavits of several GOP poll challengers who were present during the absentee counting process, writing that they had not attended an Oct. 29 walkthrough of operations at TCF Center and “did not have a full understanding” of the process.

That is from 2020moron
Over 3 years ago duh
Why no recent ones with all your so called mountain of evidence lol

 

[LittleGreenMan]

Do facts evolve into cats and dogs over the last 3 years, or do they not metamorphose into something new and different and just remain what they were, to be judged on what they were in 2020? Machines that are not supposed to be connected to internet are most certainly suspicious if they have the ability to do so. If that's the question, then the obvious way to answer the question is to have them examined by someone who can tell whether or not they have that ability. Anyone who stands in the way of obtaining that answer is obviously hiding something because they are crooked. Are all bad people Dems? Are you required to be of low moral character to be a Dem, or is it just a coincidence?

 

[mark francis]

That is from 2020moron
Over 3 years ago duh
Why no recent ones with all your so called mountain of evidence lol

That's my point. Democrat courts and their supporters shot down evidence of voting fraud without even looking into the claims in just the few weeks after the election but long before serious investigations would have had time to assemble and collate all the immense evidence on hand. Claiming no more investigations should be done because favored courts already ruled on voting fraud cases before investigations had even begun in earnest is a cheap trick of the lying leftist Democrat party.

 

[mark francis]

Do facts evolve into cats and dogs over the last 3 years, or do they not metamorphose into something new and different and just remain what they were, to be judged on what they were in 2020? Machines that are not supposed to be connected to internet are most certainly suspicious if they have the ability to do so. If that's the question, then the obvious way to answer the question is to have them examined by someone who can tell whether or not they have that ability. Anyone who stands in the way of obtaining that answer is obviously hiding something because they are crooked. Are all bad people Dems? Are you required to be of low moral character to be a Dem, or is it just a coincidence?

'Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet (nbcnews.com) 1-10-20

'Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet

A team of election security experts used a “Google for servers” to challenge claims that voting machines do not connect to the internet and found some did.
Jan. 10, 2020, 6:36 PM EST

By Kevin Monahan, Cynthia McFadden and Didi Martinez

It was an assurance designed to bolster public confidence in the way America votes: Voting machines “are not connected to the internet.”

Then Acting Undersecretary for Cybersecurity and Communications at the Department of Homeland Security Jeanette Manfra said those words in 2017, testifying before Congress while she was responsible for the security of the nation’s voting system.

So many government officials like Manfra have said the same thing over the last few years that it is commonly accepted as gospel by most Americans. Behind it is the notion that if voting systems are not online, hackers will have a harder time compromising them.

But that is an overstatement, according to a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections. While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.

That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online.

“We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and we’re still continuing to find more,” Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NB

“We kept hearing from election officials that voting machines were never on the internet,” he said. “And we knew that wasn't true. And so we set out to try and find the voting machines to see if we could find them on the internet, and especially the back-end systems that voting machines in the precinct were connecting to to report their results.”

Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice’s Motherboard in August.

The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet.

The largest manufacturer of voting machines, ES&S, told NBC News their systems are protected by firewalls and are not on the “public internet.” But both Skoglund and Andrew Appel, a Princeton computer science professor and expert on elections, said such firewalls can and have been breached.

“AT&T and Verizon and so on try and protect as best they can the security of their phone network from the rest of the internet, but it’s still part of the internet,” Appel explained. “There can still be security holes that allow hackers to get into the phone network.”

The 35 systems Skoglund’s team found represent a fraction of total voting systems nationwide, though he believes they only captured a portion of the systems that are or have been online. Earlier this week, Skoglund showed NBC three election systems were still online even after officials had been told they were vulnerable.

 

[mark francis]

'Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet (nbcnews.com) 1-10-20

'Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet

For election systems to be online, even momentarily, presents a serious problem, according to Appel.

“Once a hacker starts talking to the voting machine through the modem, the hacker cannot just change these unofficial election results, they can hack the software in the voting machine and make it cheat in future elections,” he said.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, which provides cybersecurity frameworks for state and local governments and other organizations, recommends that voting systems should not have wireless network connections.

Skoglund said that they identified only one company among the systems they detected on line, ES&S. ES&S confirmed they had sold scanners with wireless modems to at least 11 states. Skoglund says those include the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida.

While the company’s website states that “zero” of its voting tabulators are connected to the internet, ES&S told NBC News 14,000 of their DS200 tabulators with online modems are currently in use around the country.

DEC. 19, 201902:30

NBC News asked the two other major manufacturers how many of their tabulators with modems were currently in use. Hart said that it has approximately 1,600 such tabulators in use in 11 counties in Michigan. Dominion did not respond to numerous requests from NBC News for their sales numbers.

'Vulnerable to hacking'

With the 2020 presidential election only ten months away, Appel and Skoglund believe all modems can and should be removed from election systems.

“Modems in voting machines are a bad idea,” said Appel. “Those modems that ES&S [and other manufacturers] are putting in their voting machines are network connections, and that leaves them vulnerable to hacking by anybody who can connect to that network.”

The state of Michigan is currently grappling with this issue. Since the 2016 election, Michigan authorized $82 million dollars to upgrade its election systems. Some of that money was spent on tabulators with wireless modems. But now, some state officials worry that the machines may pose a security risk and are pushing to have the modems removed.

Others are not so sure, and the state has set up an advisory committee.

Jake Rollow, director of communications for the Michigan Department of State, said in a statement to NBC News, “Even though the results are unofficial, if these unofficial results were disrupted or manipulated, it could still cause confusion on Election Day.”

"The department will consider the advisory commission’s recommendations to improve the security of the process," Rollow continued. "The specific steps taken would depend on the recommendation and the timeline required to make changes effectively.”



Oregon officials say vote-by-mail system improves security and turnout

NOV. 2, 201802:40

Last fall, when ES&S gave NBC News an exclusive tour at its headquarters in Omaha, Neb., Chief Executive Officer Tom Burt defended using modems when asked about the Sprint and Verizon modems seen in ES&S's testing area.

“There’s a small percentage of jurisdictions in the country -- a lot of them are in Florida -- who have decided they want to modem unofficial results to the election office,” he said. “Generally speaking, the media in those locations are kinda clamoring to get unofficial results as quickly as possible.”

When asked if the desire for speed was at odds with accuracy and security, Burt said, “it’s not my place to judge that.”

NBC News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, which declined to comment on the topic of modem security in voting machine tabulators and scanners.

'Inviting trouble'

Critics also argue ES&S has mislead jurisdictions into thinking their DS200 tabulators with modems are certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a claim they say is grounds for an investigation.

In a letter obtained by NBC News sent to the EAC on Tuesday, the nonprofit public interest group Free Speech for People and the National Election Defense Coalition asked the agency to look into whether ES&S violated agency regulations by implying that DS200 voting machines with modems are EAC certified.

“ES&S has repeatedly advertised its DS200 with internal modem — a critical component to ES&S’s voting systems — as being EAC certified when, in fact, it is not,” the letter said. “We therefore again respectfully request that EAC investigate and take action to correct this serious issue.”

JAN. 9, 202001:00

“Once you add that modem, you are de-certifying it,” Skoglund said. “It is no longer federally certified. And I don't know that all these jurisdictions are aware of that because ES&S is advertising otherwise.”

But Skogland points to some good news. He believes there is time to make real change before the 2020 election.

“We should be unplugging all of these machines from the internet,” Skoglund said. “Even for elections nights.”

Appel agreed. “We can not make our computers perfectly secure," he said. "What we should do is remove all of the unnecessary, hackable pathways, such as modems. We should not connect our voting machines directly to the computer networks. That is just inviting trouble.”

These two tech experts also agree on the path forward, saying they are comforted by the fact that most Americans will vote this year on hand-marked paper ballots which are counted by machine and can be recounted by hand if the situation warrants.

The machines America votes on seem to be capturing the interest of some in Congress. The House Committee on Administration held a congressional hearing yesterday which was the first time the heads of the three major vendors, representing at least 80 percent of U.S. voting machines, appeared together for questioning. While lawmakers questioned them about foreign influence in their supply chains and whether they would comply with more federal reporting requirements, the presence of modems in some of their tabulators was mentioned but not pursued.

EDITOR’S NOTE (Feb. 7, 2020, 11:15 p.m.): A previous version of this article stated that Kevin Skoglund and his team had found election systems using ES&S scanners with wireless modems connected to the internet in 11 states and the District of Columbia. The coalition says it is no longer certain that the number of states is correct, so the figure has been removed from the article.

Kevin Monahan

 

[pjmret]

Do facts evolve into cats and dogs over the last 3 years, or do they not metamorphose into something new and different and just remain what they were, to be judged on what they were in 2020? Machines that are not supposed to be connected to internet are most certainly suspicious if they have the ability to do so. If that's the question, then the obvious way to answer the question is to have them examined by someone who can tell whether or not they have that ability. Anyone who stands in the way of obtaining that answer is obviously hiding something because they are crooked. Are all bad people Dems? Are you required to be of low moral character to be a Dem, or is it just a coincidence?

The point be8ng that mark wh8nes constantly about all the so called mountain of evidence of fraud but they don't take it to court
Because of course it isn't credible and they know they would lose... again

 

[pjmret]

For election systems to be online, even momentarily, presents a serious problem, according to Appel.

“Once a hacker starts talking to the voting machine through the modem, the hacker cannot just change these unofficial election results, they can hack the software in the voting machine and make it cheat in future elections,” he said.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, which provides cybersecurity frameworks for state and local governments and other organizations, recommends that voting systems should not have wireless network connections.

Skoglund said that they identified only one company among the systems they detected on line, ES&S. ES&S confirmed they had sold scanners with wireless modems to at least 11 states. Skoglund says those include the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida.

While the company’s website states that “zero” of its voting tabulators are connected to the internet, ES&S told NBC News 14,000 of their DS200 tabulators with online modems are currently in use around the country.

DEC. 19, 201902:30

NBC News asked the two other major manufacturers how many of their tabulators with modems were currently in use. Hart said that it has approximately 1,600 such tabulators in use in 11 counties in Michigan. Dominion did not respond to numerous requests from NBC News for their sales numbers.

'Vulnerable to hacking'

With the 2020 presidential election only ten months away, Appel and Skoglund believe all modems can and should be removed from election systems.

“Modems in voting machines are a bad idea,” said Appel. “Those modems that ES&S [and other manufacturers] are putting in their voting machines are network connections, and that leaves them vulnerable to hacking by anybody who can connect to that network.”

The state of Michigan is currently grappling with this issue. Since the 2016 election, Michigan authorized $82 million dollars to upgrade its election systems. Some of that money was spent on tabulators with wireless modems. But now, some state officials worry that the machines may pose a security risk and are pushing to have the modems removed.

Others are not so sure, and the state has set up an advisory committee.

Jake Rollow, director of communications for the Michigan Department of State, said in a statement to NBC News, “Even though the results are unofficial, if these unofficial results were disrupted or manipulated, it could still cause confusion on Election Day.”

"The department will consider the advisory commission’s recommendations to improve the security of the process," Rollow continued. "The specific steps taken would depend on the recommendation and the timeline required to make changes effectively.”



Oregon officials say vote-by-mail system improves security and turnout

NOV. 2, 201802:40

Last fall, when ES&S gave NBC News an exclusive tour at its headquarters in Omaha, Neb., Chief Executive Officer Tom Burt defended using modems when asked about the Sprint and Verizon modems seen in ES&S's testing area.

“There’s a small percentage of jurisdictions in the country -- a lot of them are in Florida -- who have decided they want to modem unofficial results to the election office,” he said. “Generally speaking, the media in those locations are kinda clamoring to get unofficial results as quickly as possible.”

When asked if the desire for speed was at odds with accuracy and security, Burt said, “it’s not my place to judge that.”

NBC News reached out to the Department of Homeland Security, which declined to comment on the topic of modem security in voting machine tabulators and scanners.

'Inviting trouble'

Critics also argue ES&S has mislead jurisdictions into thinking their DS200 tabulators with modems are certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a claim they say is grounds for an investigation.

In a letter obtained by NBC News sent to the EAC on Tuesday, the nonprofit public interest group Free Speech for People and the National Election Defense Coalition asked the agency to look into whether ES&S violated agency regulations by implying that DS200 voting machines with modems are EAC certified.

“ES&S has repeatedly advertised its DS200 with internal modem — a critical component to ES&S’s voting systems — as being EAC certified when, in fact, it is not,” the letter said. “We therefore again respectfully request that EAC investigate and take action to correct this serious issue.”

JAN. 9, 202001:00

“Once you add that modem, you are de-certifying it,” Skoglund said. “It is no longer federally certified. And I don't know that all these jurisdictions are aware of that because ES&S is advertising otherwise.”

But Skogland points to some good news. He believes there is time to make real change before the 2020 election.

“We should be unplugging all of these machines from the internet,” Skoglund said. “Even for elections nights.”

Appel agreed. “We can not make our computers perfectly secure," he said. "What we should do is remove all of the unnecessary, hackable pathways, such as modems. We should not connect our voting machines directly to the computer networks. That is just inviting trouble.”

These two tech experts also agree on the path forward, saying they are comforted by the fact that most Americans will vote this year on hand-marked paper ballots which are counted by machine and can be recounted by hand if the situation warrants.

The machines America votes on seem to be capturing the interest of some in Congress. The House Committee on Administration held a congressional hearing yesterday which was the first time the heads of the three major vendors, representing at least 80 percent of U.S. voting machines, appeared together for questioning. While lawmakers questioned them about foreign influence in their supply chains and whether they would comply with more federal reporting requirements, the presence of modems in some of their tabulators was mentioned but not pursued.

EDITOR’S NOTE (Feb. 7, 2020, 11:15 p.m.): A previous version of this article stated that Kevin Skoglund and his team had found election systems using ES&S scanners with wireless modems connected to the internet in 11 states and the District of Columbia. The coalition says it is no longer certain that the number of states is correct, so the figure has been removed from the article.

Kevin Monahan

All those words and no credible evidence of your claim of massive fraud lol
God hates when you lie