Its offical I think I have made my choice for President this year

[pocketfullofshells]

Let's talk voting strategy. What state are you in? I mean is it a dem state or a pub state? I suspect there is a way to vote to get what you want.

I am in Minnesota, a battle ground state. And what do you mean what I want?

 

[foggedinn]

I stopped reading when you had to go to the lame coke and gay sex story again....Sorry I like GlobalSecurity.org for news, not the National Enquire and Weekly Wold News. Gutter Politics is all you have then you have nothing,

Come on now. Gutter politics is an American institution. Near as I can tell, it goes all the way back to the beginning of the republic.

It has always been used, and it has always worked.

BTW, I'm sure it predates the republic.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Come on now. Gutter politics is an American institution. Near as I can tell, it goes all the way back to the beginning of the republic.

It has always been used, and it has always worked.

BTW, I'm sure it predates the republic.

And its never been helpful.

 

[Dr.Who]

I am in Minnesota, a battle ground state. And what do you mean what I want?

You said that you had unresolved issues with O. I needed to know if you were a lib in a lib state, a lib in a pub state, a pub in pub state or a pub in a lib state.


As a lib in state that could go either way the decision is easy for you. No strategy needed. Just add up the pros and cons of each candidate on paper weigh them according to what is most important to you and then vote.

I would also hope that I could convince you that neither candidate should wield too much power. So vote a different party for your congressmen.

 

[foggedinn]

Democrats will push for balanced budgets and "pay as you go" again. That's a very good thing for bringing down our deficit and it's been proven to work before. [/B]

The only time paygo has ever worked was when we had Clinton as president and republicans controlling both houses of congress.

If democrats actually win it all, they will give lip service to paygo, but won't follow through on it.

Since the only choice we seem to be given is "tax and spend" or "borrow and spend", I feel that tax and spend is a more fiscally responsible policy. I certainly don't believe tax and spend is fiscally responsible in any absolute sense. Just more responsible than borrow and spend.

How in the world did our two party system give us a choice between two such irresponsible approaches?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: Its official I think I have made my choice for President this year

You said that you had unresolved issues with O. I needed to know if you were a lib in a lib state, a lib in a pub state, a pub in pub state or a pub in a lib state.


As a lib in state that could go either way the decision is easy for you. No strategy needed. Just add up the pros and cons of each candidate on paper weigh them according to what is most important to you and then vote.

I would also hope that I could convince you that neither candidate should wield too much power. So vote a different party for your congressmen.

I am a Moderate Liberal, A member of the Independence Party, and in a progressive liberal state that has moved a bit conservative. And I dont play electoral games with my vote, if you the best you are the best. Not going to vote for someone I dont like just to split the vote from Congress to president. My vote for Senate will not be Norm Colman (r) or Al Franklin (D) I am voting for Senator Dean Berkley of the Independence party ( he held the seat before when Paul Wellstone died and he was appointed by Gov Ventura.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Re: Its official I think I have made my choice for President this year

The only time paygo has ever worked was when we had Clinton as president and republicans controlling both houses of congress.

If democrats actually win it all, they will give lip service to pay, but won't follow through on it.

Since the only choice we seem to be given is "tax and spend" or "borrow and spend", I feel that tax and spend is a more fiscally responsible policy. I certainly don't believe tax and spend is fiscally responsible in any absolute sense. Just more responsible than borrow and spend.

How in the world did our two party system give us a choice between two such irresponsible approaches?

That's why I hate the 2 party system. Also I think to much blame is placed on the parties...they just do what the people want, and its time the people took some responsibility for there own voting. They always want more money for everything, and less taxes...it does not work that way, and when a politician points that out, they attack them for it.

 

[GenSeneca]

If democrats actually win it all, they will give lip service to paygo, but won't follow through on it.

They are already doing that... over the objections of Conservatives who are asking that Democrats follow their own rules.

Democrats Create Another PAYGO Loophole

Last week, the House considered the supplemental and approved an amendment to increase direct spending by more than $66 billion. A portion of this higher spending was offset with $55 billion in tax increases. The net effect of the legislation approved by the House, when considering the impact on both direct spending and revenue, was to increase the deficit by $11 billion. This violates the Majority’s PAYGO rule and Representative Paul Ryan raised a point of order to that effect. The Chair ruled otherwise however, and in the process, created yet another loophole to the PAYGO rule. The Chair ruled that it could not determine that the legislation impacts direct spending—even though it plainly does and CBO scores $66 billion in entitlement spending in the bill—since this direct spending is attached to an appropriations bill. In other words, PAYGO imposes no limitation on direct spending that increases the deficit as long as it is attached to an appropriations bill. The bill also included more than $180 billion in non-offset higher discretionary spending, but PAYGO imposes no limit at all on discretionary spending that increases the deficit.

Posted by Brad Watson (05-22-2008, 02:22 PM) filed under Budget

Its just NOT possible to raise enough tax revenue to pay for the new programs and government expansion that the Democrats are proposing. But who cares right? As long as its Democrats spending the money, and not Bush-Hitler-McCain doing it.

How in the world did our two party system give us a choice between two such irresponsible approaches?

Think Positive!

 

[Dr.Who]

The only time paygo has ever worked was when we had Clinton as president and republicans controlling both houses of congress.

If democrats actually win it all, they will give lip service to paygo, but won't follow through on it.

Since the only choice we seem to be given is "tax and spend" or "borrow and spend", I feel that tax and spend is a more fiscally responsible policy. I certainly don't believe tax and spend is fiscally responsible in any absolute sense. Just more responsible than borrow and spend.

How in the world did our two party system give us a choice between two such irresponsible approaches?

They all love to spend. They also love to stop the other guy from spending. Which is why we need need need congress to be of one party and the potus to be of another.

 

[Dr.Who]

Re: Its official I think I have made my choice for President this year

I am a Moderate Liberal, A member of the Independence Party, and in a progressive liberal state that has moved a bit conservative. And I dont play electoral games with my vote, if you the best you are the best. Not going to vote for someone I dont like just to split the vote from Congress to president. My vote for Senate will not be Norm Colman (r) or Al Franklin (D) I am voting for Senator Dean Berkley of the Independence party ( he held the seat before when Paul Wellstone died and he was appointed by Gov Ventura.

Well I am glad to see that your vote will end up being split anyway.

 

[Dr.Who]

Re: Its official I think I have made my choice for President this year

That's why I hate the 2 party system. Also I think to much blame is placed on the parties...they just do what the people want, and its time the people took some responsibility for there own voting. They always want more money for everything, and less taxes...it does not work that way, and when a politician points that out, they attack them for it.

Which is why I would like to see less money for everything and less taxes.

 

[GenSeneca]

Hey pocket, what are your thoughts about Sen. Evan Bayh? It looks like he may be getting the VP nod.

Senator Bayh (pronounced "Bye"), 52, has been on most pundits' lists even though he initially supported Hillary Clinton. The reasons? First, he has matinee looks but he's not going to upstage the main guy. Second, he was a popular governor of Indiana, a state which Senator Obama hopes he can win, and he is well known in neighbouring Ohio and Michigan.

Obama is not the only one close to picking a VP:

Meanwhile a young Jewish congressman from Virginia has joined the shortlist to be Senator John McCain's running mate. Eric Cantor, 45, would be an exciting choice. A prodigious fund-raiser, supported by evangelical Christians and hard-line conservatives, he would shore up many of Mr McCain's weaknesses.

Imagine the madness if McCain offered it to Hillary...

 

[Mr.Dysfunctional]

Honestly I am just a Laymen in the context of politics.. but I honestly think i represent a majority of the people out there who are literally being impaled by the fence. How can you make a logical choice when both nominees are completely illogical for the job? It seems to me a lose-lose situation. Is this really caused by the general population's ignorance of politics in general.

To a layman looking it up.. it's no wonder people take in the extraordinary claims of conspirasy theroists and those who claim the entire nomination process is a farce. Politics aside... if we continue this course of politcals as usual.. aren't we looking at a literal meltdown of our economy... From what I have heard from both sides... all I hear is "spend spend spend .. ahh ****, thats not fixing it ?!?! SPEND MORE DAMN IT .. MORRREEE!!!!!!!" wouldn't this further the inflation already happening ?!?! The more I see these forums pick holes in canadaites.. the more I realize we are doomed regardless of who's elected. I see Obama as a hypocritcal marxist who will bring America into socialism. Or McCain and his hard-liner additude that will ramp us right into WW3.

I really don't want to be a doom-sayer.. but am I so wrong looking at things in this light?

 

[GenSeneca]

I really don't want to be a doom-sayer.. but am I so wrong looking at things in this light?

The future does look bleak, despite who wins, most notably for our debt. Expect BIG spending and Big Government from both candidates, thats one promise they will happily fulfill.

However, there is a great deal of hyperbole out there so take it all with a grain of salt - Propaganda is supposed to induce emotion and fear is a powerful motivator.

In the end, we are all Americans and we manage to pull through no matter which group of fools is in charge. The best possible outcome, people new to politics stay involved and look for politicians worth supporting.

 

[Dr.Who]

Honestly I am just a Laymen in the context of politics.. but I honestly think i represent a majority of the people out there who are literally being impaled by the fence. How can you make a logical choice when both nominees are completely illogical for the job? It seems to me a lose-lose situation. Is this really caused by the general population's ignorance of politics in general.

To a layman looking it up.. it's no wonder people take in the extraordinary claims of conspirasy theroists and those who claim the entire nomination process is a farce. Politics aside... if we continue this course of politcals as usual.. aren't we looking at a literal meltdown of our economy... From what I have heard from both sides... all I hear is "spend spend spend .. ahh ****, thats not fixing it ?!?! SPEND MORE DAMN IT .. MORRREEE!!!!!!!" wouldn't this further the inflation already happening ?!?! The more I see these forums pick holes in canadaites.. the more I realize we are doomed regardless of who's elected. I see Obama as a hypocritcal marxist who will bring America into socialism. Or McCain and his hard-liner additude that will ramp us right into WW3.

I really don't want to be a doom-sayer.. but am I so wrong looking at things in this light?

I agree that both candidates are poor. Either one will spend spend spend. The thing to do here is to make sure that you do not vote for a candidate who will spend and then give him a congress that will support how he would spend. Put a dem in the presidency and republicans in congress or put a republican in the presidency and dems in congress.