Micheal Moore with a racist rant about gun owners

[cashmcall]

Switzerland counts many large multinational companies, considering its small size (7,5 million people): ABB, Roche, Novartis, Nestlé, Logitech, Tetra Pak- this family-controlled firm made news, when it left Sweden many years ago, essentially for tax reasons.TAX REASONS ..just to make sure you see it..

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more than 75% of the Swiss labour force works in firms smaller than 50 employees;(SMALL BUSINESS) many are in retail. There are 300 000 SMEs in Switzerland. Roughly 10 000 of these would benefit from engaging with external sources of expertise. They benefit from the proximity of global firms: by selling to them, they sell to the world. They are similar to the German “Mittelstand” firms, but smaller: they sell high value offerings in narrow market segments, obsessed with the quality of their products and services, while demonstrating a strong and real customer-orientation.
In Switzerland, start ups are progressively better accepted and more numerous. The trend is slow but steady; the country offers a reasonably good environment for start ups..Market-oriented innovation is considered to be the realm of the private sector and the government has nothing to do with it(NOTHING TO DO WITH IT), other than by providing a supporting environment. Many years ago, it was proposed that the federal government institutes a mechanism to ensure firms against the risks of innovation. It was clearly defeated(CLEARLY DEFEATED) in one of these numerous Swiss referenda. Since then, the government has kept a hands off policy(HANDS OFF), except for the KTI – the federal commission for the encouragement of innovation. The latter provides grants to start ups and SMEs, as well as part-time “coaches” for start ups, in order to help them develop their business.
Switzerland scores tangible successes: prosperity, low debt, reasonable growth, public budgets in the black, low unemployement and trade surplus. Can you see where You guy's might have it wrong...They treat business as business..

 

[cashmcall]

Dear, do you really believe I am stupid?
Yes, the Swiss banking industry is very profitable. . .and so is its pharmaceutical industry, and its tourist industry. And, the source of the Swiss success in banking is a direct consequence of its neutrality during the two world wars, because they were the ONLY country where it was safe for the very wealthy to keep their money, regardless of which side of the conflict they were championing.

No I do not think your stupid...just wrong...

 

[cashmcall]

See! The left will not condem him..Unlike the left pressured Rush Limbaugh advertisers when he called Sarah Flukie a slut.

I think moat people even the democrats on this board know where Micheal Moore is comming from...

 

[Openmind]

I think moat people even the democrats on this board know where Micheal Moore is comming from...

I believe I know where Michael Moore is coming from, and I realize that he is a little extreme in his thought process. . . but he is head and shoulder above Rush Limbaugh in terms of intelligence and honesty.

Yes, he has a strong bias in the way he approaches issues, and the facts he CHOOSES to show in his films end up portraying this bias. . .but they remain FACTS. Basically he "spins" his information, but doesn't "create" false facts.

The same cannot be said for a lot of the Fox News pundits and certainly NOT for Limbaugh!

I'll take Michael Moore any day over Limbaugh. . .but I'll take him with a grain of salt and with my critical thinking fully engaged.

 

[Openmind]

No I do not think your stupid...just wrong...

Wrong in what, dear?

 

[dogtowner]

Dear, do you really believe I am stupid?
Yes, the Swiss banking industry is very profitable. . .and so is its pharmaceutical industry, and its tourist industry. And, the source of the Swiss success in banking is a direct consequence of its neutrality during the two world wars, because they were the ONLY country where it was safe for the very wealthy to keep their money, regardless of which side of the conflict they were championing.

Swiss neutrality has been assured by its reliability in keeping confidentiality.

 

[PLC1]

I think moat people even the democrats on this board know where Micheal Moore is comming from...

La la land?

 

[dogtowner]

La la land?

generally speaking he's all about the money. and he's done a heck of a job identifying a market to exploit and and take it's money.

 

[PLC1]

generally speaking he's all about the money. and he's done a heck of a job identifying a market to exploit and and take it's money.

He has made quite a bit of it, particularly for a "socialist."

Generally speaking, everything is about the money.

 

[Openmind]

He has made quite a bit of it, particularly for a "socialist."

Generally speaking, everything is about the money.

Yep. . .isn't it the "capitalist way," to "make money?"

Or is that reserved for NON-socialists?

 

[PLC1]

Yep. . .isn't it the "capitalist way," to "make money?"

Or is that reserved for NON-socialists?

Of course it is.

Socialist only work for the good of their fellow man, never for filthy lucre.

 

[dogtowner]

He has made quite a bit of it, particularly for a "socialist."

Generally speaking, everything is about the money.

well it is true that socialists have very effectively obtained the money. the question is whether this was the unstated goal of Marx and Engals or simply Lenin's (Mao, etc) clever twist on using a means to obtainan end ?

 

[Openmind]

Of course it is.

Socialist only work for the good of their fellow man, never for filthy lucre.

Well, I guess you are talking about those "socialists" that the right likes to confuse with "communists?"

Because the "Social democrats" that I KNOW are very much into making money. . .but they like to make money without stepping on the head of the poor and lower middle class to reach their goal. . .and they don't care about being "filthy rich," and have to protect their "filth" by sending their money abroad to hide. . .
They just enjoy being "wealthy," and ENJOYING their wealth. . .even sharing it!

Because for a "social democrat," there is nothing more depressing than taking a nice vacation in a luxury resort, and being haunted by starving children. . .they much prefer to take their vacation in a luxury resort, where everyone seem to be well fed and well clothed, and really attached to a well paying job (with benefits), so they won't have to worry about their money being stolen by starving children.

Funny how different cultures see "quality of life" differently!

 

[PLC1]

well it is true that socialists have very effectively obtained the money. the question is whether this was the unstated goal of Marx and Engals or simply Lenin's (Mao, etc) clever twist on using a means to obtainan end ?

I believe the stated goal of Marxists is to have a society in which everyone shares equally, with no rich or poor but everyone working for the good of society.

and unicorns frolicking, no doubt.

Socialists believe in an economic system in which the people, i.e., the government, owns the means of production.

It is the stated goal of capitalists to use money to make more money, which would make Michael a capitalist.

Unless, of course, he has given all of his wealth away to the poor in order to have a more egalitarian society.

 

[dogtowner]

I believe the stated goal of Marxists is to have a society in which everyone shares equally, with no rich or poor but everyone working for the good of society.

and unicorns frolicking, no doubt.

Socialists believe in an economic system in which the people, i.e., the government, owns the means of production.

It is the stated goal of capitalists to use money to make more money, which would make Michael a capitalist.

Unless, of course, he has given all of his wealth away to the poor in order to have a more egalitarian society.

people like to say Mike is a socialist but it is far more accurate to see him as a capitalist of the sort Open thinks of them as he has no problem saying or doing anything in this pursuit.

Marx may have actually believed his ideas but in actual practice its been used to very different ends.