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Negotiating With A Three Year Old

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Greco, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. Greco

    Greco New Member

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    It's an expression I've frequently stated... ignorance is a choice. On a grand scale, I'll readily concede that sub-average intelligence is a factor that can lead to or contribute to ignorance. In our society today we've elevated ignorance to an attribute status. We have masses of individuals that have pride in their ignorance, combined with a need to put it on public display. Those that have agendas, armed with real knowledge, have found these groups willing to be exploited and used as props and pawns to further their objectives. They recognized there is a large faction that willingly has no desire to become informed, preferring to become inflamed instead. There's little doubt it's happened before, but not on this scale. Also, the rhetoric that's now a common part of our national dialog has never reached this danger zone of hate speech, accusations, absurd claims, threats and calls for an escalation of discord. We're on a path that will have tragic consequences and there are no voices of reason that are resonating to tone it back.

    The protest event on September 12th in Washington, D.C. gave us a good look at this movement. The estimates of crowd size were impressive. Some 60,000 to 70,000 Americans showed up, angry and looking for a venue to vent their anger. Only days after the event, promoters of the protest were apparently disappointed at the crowd size and fabricated new claims. On his cable television program, Glen Beck produced a photo of an event from a decade ago as a visual and claimed there were 1.7 million in attendance. He cited as his source, some university that he couldn't name.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1YBqpk69s0

    Fabricated claims of crowd size aside, to really understand this event we need to listen to what the attendees expressed as their concerns. A number were interviewed in a non-confrontational approach, allowed to freely express their views, their concerns, what they were angry about, and offer their reasons for attending. It was a cross sampling of age and gender. However, there were no minority interviews since that section of America chose to not participate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevga9jUC48

    By now it should be painfully clear there is no debate to be won with this faction. To have an honest debate between sides requires an equal balance of knowledge, real knowledge derived from facts. Emotions don't count as facts or knowledge. Both sides of an issue must be informed or there is no possibility for a spirited discussion, only shouting like we witnessed in August at Town Hall meetings across our nation. The end result of shouting matches yields no positive outcome, except to prohibit any possibility of real discussion. A disruptive technique doesn't advance a cause, it only serves to keep knowledge at bay. Large groups that have willingly committed themselves to a position of ignorance, that cannot see merit in acquiring knowledge, and only desire protest and yelling are not reachable. There's little value in making the effort. It serves no purpose other than to become a willing target for their yelling and uninformed rants.

    As the health care reform issue moves into the final days of crafting change, our leaders would be well advised to keep that thought in mind. As a parent, I can remember instances when one of my very young children might have to receive an injection from a doctor, an event they knew was going to hurt. We all know that it's not a practical approach to try to reason with a three year old resisting an inoculation that is for their own benefit. It's futile. So most of us just went ahead and helped accomplish what needed to occur for their own benefit. That's where we are in the health care reform issue. Our leaders should take the same approach. Craft a measure that accomplishes a change that's good, ignore the wailing and protests of the three year olds, and just pass it and go on to fixing the next set of unresolved crisis level problems left for us.
     
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    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    There is a fine line between marginalizing an opponent and underestimating him.
     
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    Now that was really profound. Or, nebulous, or ambiguous, or trite.
     
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    Our in other words... Let's hear it for mob rule!:eek:

    You have to admit Greco made multiple great points here in this one. When someone intentionally inflates their supporters crow size from 60 or 70 thousand to and million... I think I even heard some Far Rightie talkers try and say around 2 million... there's a reason.

    It's kinda like a guy always telling the joke how he'd have given her 10 inches but he'd of had to fold it in half. Everyone knows he's really only packing about 4 or 5 just because he loves that joke so much.:D

    Add to that the hate speech, the brandishing of weapons at political rallies and the inflammatory (Bizzaro World everything is opposite) signage.

    You know in your heart at least 80 or 90% of people at these AstroTurf shows are the most Radical on the Right that would gladly elect Druggie Limbaugh President if they could... along with their children and a few stragglers and curiosity seekers.

    So should they be underestimated... heck no. They are the furthest out most Radical on the Right & some who are just not all that smart... as we shall see below. There's enough of them that they could be a dangerous mob. But that shouldn't affect the country moving forward in a positive way... and it won't.


     
  5. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    ....First "perfected" by ReRon Reagan....

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    No....there You WENT, ReRon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (You'll have to take ReRon's "creative" quotes & references with several-pounds-of-salt, as.....​

     
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    So was "Martin". An entire "sect" still believes he was a saint. But then the title of the thread explains why. Three year olds only care about themselves, and so history has proven the same about the aforementioned "sect".
     
  7. PLC1

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    Prediction: We will sooner or later see an example of the "liberals" exaggerating some issue in the same way, perhaps demonstrating mindless mob rule mentality.

    On this very thread, most likely! Keep watching.
     
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