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Struggling to survive

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by randyjohnson, Sep 26, 2008.

  1. randyjohnson

    randyjohnson New Member

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    Because of George Bush, my parents are struggling to survive. My dad lost his weekly bonus at work and sometimes he's only able to work four days a week because of this recession.

    I give my parents some money once a month but they're still struggling. My mom is having to use the little spending money she has to pay bills. They're barely able to make it.

    If things get worse, my dad may be out of a job altogether and he may go under. Bush may have high hopes of getting us out of this recession but I have serious doubts.

    Bush got us into this recession and many people like my dad are suffering. I doubt that John McCain can end this recession either.

    Bush's dad also got us in a recession and it took a democrat to get us out of it. Republican Presidents tend to get us into recessions. Democrat Presidents don't.

    President Hoover was a republican and he was the President when the Great Depression began. At the moment George Bush is as popular as Hoover and that's not very popular.

    I doubt that McCain can do a better job than Bush. On November the 4th Obama is going to be my choice.
     

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  2. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    You gloss over every cause of the Great Depression and simply say "it was a Republican..." Amazing.

    You go right ahead and vote for Obama. Hope you enjoy jobs pouring overseas and round about tax increase on the middle class.
     
  3. TruthAboveAll

    TruthAboveAll Active Member

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    I truly do not want to be cruel or insensitive. I've no idea of your family's personal details and situation. But I will also not be constrained to accept your assessments on face value.

    You claim it is because of George Bush. How exactly is that the case? You use the word recession repeatedly, but using a word does not make it accurate. You mention that your dad lost his weekly bonus. Bonuses and overtime are great things to have, but it's not good financial practice to budget on the assumption they will continue.

    I hope for the best for your dad and his job. However, please share your sources of Bush expressing high hopes to get us out of a recession. And please share the facts your doubts are based upon. Difficult times require clear thought and positive decision making.

    Your claims of culpability for Republican Presidents is over simplistic and patently false. You do a grave injustice to Americans who went through it to compare our lives today with the Great Depression.

    You are welcome to vote as you wish. If you want to have Obama, or any Liberal as President, take a good hard look at Michigan. What Gov. Granholm has done for the state here is what a Liberal will do for the country. The socialistic themes of Liberalism are fatally flawed, and no grandiose hyperbole for their implementation and expansion will change that. And THAT, my dear, is something this country simply cannot afford.
     
  4. Mr. Carpenter

    Mr. Carpenter New Member

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    I'm sorry to hear about your parents struggle, but one thing is blatantly obvious from reading your analysis of the causes of the current problem; the problem with liberals is that they "know" so much that simply isn't true.
     
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    the gop caused this mess
    that is a fact
    sorry

    grahm created this and w helped him
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    Factually you are wrong. We are not in a recession. The economy is growing, and thus far, there was never a quarter in which it was not.

    Further, hate to tell you this, but when Bill Clinton left office, we were in a recession.

    Claiming Democrats do not cause recessions is fairly ignorant.
    Here's a list:
    Woodrow Wilson (D) Recession 1918-1921
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) Depression 1930s-1939
    Jimmy Carter (D) Recession 1973-1975
    Bill Clinton (D) Recession 2000-2001

    Since 1900, we have had 17 presidents, only 7 of which were democrats. Four of which, where in office during recessions, and the Great Depression.
    4 of 7? More than half caused recessions. That's pretty bad odds. Think I'll vote Republican then.

    Btw, yes it's true FDR got in office after the 'start' of the great depression, but the depression got worse due to his policies, and he failed horribly to do anything for 7 years. If you need to know more, read up on the Recession of 1937, caused by his "new deal", which we're still paying for today.

    Ironically, FDR is a great example of good policy and bad policy. When FDR got into office, he passed the Economy Act, that cut spending, cut government employee salaries, cut entitlements, and moved toward a balanced federal budget. The result was a growing economy, and nearly ended the Great Depression. He was in effect, a fiscal conservative, and it was working.

    Then FDR in 1935 took a major turn toward the left. Some historians even call this "The Second New Deal". He reformed monetary policy, supported BigLabor policies, formed WPA (a socialized unemployment program), Social Security, and unemployment insurance, minimum wage, and so on. He abandoned the balanced budget, and sank the government into debt. The result was in 1937 and all of 1938, the economy sank back to the same levels it was in 1933.

    Even then, the Republicans that cause recession normally do so by acting like democrats. For example, Bush Sr, caused a recession by passing tax hikes. Now I can't promise McCain won't act like a democrat, but I can promise Obama will. So I know Obama will cause a recession, no question about it.
     
  7. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    Oh because you say so? Oh guys, looky, the dude on the internet says the GOP is to blame for everything, and thus it must be so!

    You remind me of a blond girl who asked me if Tom Hanks really went to the moon. "I saw it in the movie, so it must be true!"

    How about some actual evidence, shall we? The republicans, and a few democrats, have been complaining about Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac for years. The democrats refused to do anything. It was shot down time after time, and now they crashed. Who's to blame?

    The government, mostly liberals in charge, passed a knee-jerk reactionary accounting bill because of Enron. That bill has caused all of this, because it changed how future assets are accounted for. Who's to blame? Who was screaming about Enron?

    The answer to both is: democrats. Sorry.
     
  8. Mr. Carpenter

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    Shotgun, FDR started this mess, Johnson set the stage for what we're dealing with, and Clinton ensured that it would happen. That's not opinion, that's fact. Now you have to make a decision, are you going to accept the facts for what they are, and stick to the facts, or are you going to keep clinging to your BDS and remain in denial?

    Oh, and BTW, your Haiku's aren't working.
     
  9. Pandora

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    Randy,

    I have great news for you. Obama Messiah won! Your parents are going to be ok now. I hear Obama is filling gas tanks and taking care of all that stuff. I figure your medical will be covered pretty soon. And soon they can tax the rich even more so you can get some more for you and your family. It wont be long now Randy.. hold on just a bit longer, the end of the rainbow is near and the pot of gold is all yours :)
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    yea like in the 90's you know where the tax bracket was higher and we had a good econ? YOu guys act like higher taxes are the end of the world yet McCain was one who was against the taxes being lowered in the first place, but now of course to go back to what he wanted but lower rates for some , is socialism...
     
  11. BigRob

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    Kind of like you gloss over the tech boom in the above statement, and ignore the present economic situation?

    I do not recall yelling about socialism either....
     
  12. Pidgey

    Pidgey Well-Known Member

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    Here's the most likely actual cause of your troubles:

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  13. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher New Member

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    So you actually believe high taxes create a good economy?? :D

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  14. Pidgey

    Pidgey Well-Known Member

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    Read this one:

    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/a-credit-crater-too-big-to-fill.aspx

    ...and pay special notice to the year in this paragraph:

    "So why isn't it working? A couple of reasons. First, early in this debacle, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department apparently decided that they would declare war on the so-called shadow banking system. These were the hedge funds, structured investment vehicles (SIVs) and other nonbank entities that had grown up since around 1995 to create, leverage, re-leverage and distribute roughly $10 trillion in debt."

    The seeds of doom were planted long ago.
     
  15. Unite Our Nation

    Unite Our Nation New Member

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    I love how so many people spend their time pointing fingers instead of gathering the data to see who is cupable!! It's just moronic.

    It's like those who think our Nation was in the black when Clinton left office!!!L LMAO!!
     
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