The Jury was Rigged.

[OldTrapper]

Considering that was never once brought up in the trial, it is just that, "your opinion" of something that isn't so and did not happen!

Considering the position he was in, and where he allegedly had the gun at, I could see no other way he could have gotten the gun out. As to the prosecutor, or defense, bringing it up, since Zimmerman never testified, and there were no eye witnesses, why would it be brought up? It would have been dismissed as strictly hearsay, or speculation.

Zimmerman was "retreating" back to his vehicle when he was confronted and then instantly attacked by Martin. Your account of what happened that night is not factual and not what was discussed in the court room. Most likely because it is YOUR racist and bigoted views that prevents YOU from seeing the real facts in this case.

There is no proof of that either. It is entirely speculation as to where Zimmerman was going since he never testified. Phone records indicate Z was following M when he called 911. When asked if he was doing so he said yes, was told he did not have to do so, and then we hear he lost sight of M. Question then becomes why did Z get out of the car at all? He was asked the location of where he was, and that was easily determined by street signs. If this group followed the guidelines established by national rules for neighborhood watches, one discovers Z violated several of the rules one of which he was alone, and the second of which was he was armed.

As to my "racist bigoted" opinion, I guess logic could be called that by one lacking any meaningful insight.

 

[Texas_tea]

Considering the position he was in, and where he allegedly had the gun at, I could see no other way he could have gotten the gun out. As to the prosecutor, or defense, bringing it up, since Zimmerman never testified, and there were no eye witnesses, why would it be brought up?

So .... if the defendant doesn't testify then the prosecution can't question if the defendant was brandishing a weapon?

Is that the so called "logic" you are speaking of?

Let me give you some real logic. If Zimmerman would have been brandishing his weapon when Martin approached him, then the struggle would have immediately been for the weapon.

There never would have been the ground and pound event that eye witnesses testified about, stating that it was Martin straddling Zimmerman and striking him multiple times MMA style!

If this group followed the guidelines established by national rules for neighborhood watches, one discovers Z violated several of the rules one of which he was alone, and the second of which was he was armed.

None of which are against the law!

What is against the law is to punch someone, knock them to the ground, tell them they are going to die and then precede to smash their head against the concrete.

And, one other thing. In the 911 tape Zimmerman states that Martin is standing in the rain just starring at him. Then he states Martin is walking towards him, prompting the 911 operator to say "just let us know if he does anything".

There is no guarantee Martin would not have attacked Zimmerman even if he had stayed in his car. One could reasonably assume from that exchanged on the 911 tape that Martin was planning and determine to attack Zimmerman.

But, in reality all of that is hearsay.

What is fact is it was proven beyond a doubt in a court of law that Martin attacked Zimmerman violently causing Zimmerman to fear for his life and a Jury unanimously concluded that Zimmerman acted within the law by defending himself!

 

[Texas_tea]

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[BigRob]

I had a comment to OldTrapper (which I thought was in this thread, but maybe I am overlooking it).

It was in regards to my statement that Zimmerman was in his car, and then got out via the 911 operator instructions. I was incorrect on that statement. It was in fact that after Zimmerman lost Martin, there was testimony in court (via his statements to police maybe) that he was heading back to his car when he was attacked by Martin.

 

[OldTrapper]

So .... if the defendant doesn't testify then the prosecution can't question if the defendant was brandishing a weapon?

Is that the so called "logic" you are speaking of?

Let me give you some real logic. If Zimmerman would have been brandishing his weapon when Martin approached him, then the struggle would have immediately been for the weapon.

There never would have been the ground and pound event that eye witnesses testified about, stating that it was Martin straddling Zimmerman and striking him multiple times MMA style!



None of which are against the law!

What is against the law is to punch someone, knock them to the ground, tell them they are going to die and then precede to smash their head against the concrete.

And, one other thing. In the 911 tape Zimmerman states that Martin is standing in the rain just starring at him. Then he states Martin is walking towards him, prompting the 911 operator to say "just let us know if he does anything".

There is no guarantee Martin would not have attacked Zimmerman even if he had stayed in his car. One could reasonably assume from that exchanged on the 911 tape that Martin was planning and determine to attack Zimmerman.

But, in reality all of that is hearsay.

What is fact is it was proven beyond a doubt in a court of law that Martin attacked Zimmerman violently causing Zimmerman to fear for his life and a Jury unanimously concluded that Zimmerman acted within the law by defending himself!

Just a question, have you ever read Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law? Under that law Martin actually could have had a legal reason to "attack" Zimmerman. However, he is dead, so it is not a cause for consideration in the trial.


The 2012 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE View Entire Chapter
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony

However, under the arguments of the right wingers certain people should not have a conceal carry permit. If those guidelines were followed, and if the right wing could be honest about it, Zimmerman should not have had a conceal carry permit to begin with.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/28/george-zimmermans-relevant-past/

As to the 911 tapes, how could Martin have been staring at him, and then advancing towards him, when Zimmerman said he had lost him?

 

[Texas_tea]

The 2012 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE View Entire Chapter
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force.

This is why Martin would not have been able to claim Stand Your Ground.

NOTHING Zimmerman was doing was unlawful!

However, under the arguments of the right wingers certain people should not have a conceal carry permit. If those guidelines were followed, and if the right wing could be honest about it, Zimmerman should not have had a conceal carry permit to begin with.

Zimmerman legally possessed a concealed handgun permit and was not breaking any laws at the time of the attack!

As to the 911 tapes, how could Martin have been staring at him, and then advancing towards him, when Zimmerman said he had lost him?

You clearly have not listen to the tapes and obviously have NO clue of the facts in this case!

 

[Texas_tea]

Zimmerman did not invoke Florida’s stand-your-ground law, instead relying on a traditional self-defense argument.

Nor was race discussed in front of the jury that acquitted Zimmerman with the exception of Ms. Jentel's creepy ass cracka comment.

Yet, all the rallies around the Country are protesting based on race and the Stand Your Ground laws.

Does this make any sense to any of the rational thinking Americans?

 

[steveox]

Zimmerman did not invoke Florida’s stand-your-ground law, instead relying on a traditional self-defense argument.

Nor was race discussed in front of the jury that acquitted Zimmerman with the exception of Ms. Jentel's creepy ass cracka comment.

Yet, all the rallies around the Country are protesting based on race and the Stand Your Ground laws.


Does this make any sense to any of the rational thinking Americans?

uhh Nope

 

[pocketfullofshells]

The jury was not rigged...racism in police work and a flawed law are to blame

 

[dogtowner]

Just a question, have you ever read Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law? Under that law Martin actually could have had a legal reason to "attack" Zimmerman. However, he is dead, so it is not a cause for consideration in the trial.

Did you read the law ?

The 2012 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE View Entire Chapter
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony

where did Zimmerman's actions suggest unlawful force ?

However, under the arguments of the right wingers certain people should not have a conceal carry permit. If those guidelines were followed, and if the right wing could be honest about it, Zimmerman should not have had a conceal carry permit to begin with.

care to flesh that out ?

As to the 911 tapes, how could Martin have been staring at him, and then advancing towards him, when Zimmerman said he had lost him?

4 minutes passed between "losing him" and the rest. see how easy that was ?

moreover, given that the kid had, in fact, eluded Zimmerman any possible sense of imminent danger becomes quite moot.

 

[Texas_tea]

The jury was not rigged...racism in police work and a flawed law are to blame

Like the prosecution breaking the Florida's Discovery Law by with holding evidence on Martin's cell phone from the defense and then firing their own team member for whistle blowing on their own illegal activities?

Yes ... racism and corrupt prosecutions are to blame!

You are a "genius" POS in your wacko leftist delusional perspective of this case!

 

[dogtowner]

the sad part is that the president, a lawyer by education, did not point out the falacy of the notion that justice was not applied relative to this case and instead fans the flames. every illegal act that results he is culpable for.

Jesus, even Jimmy Carter did the right thing with this.

 

[steveox]

Hate crimes were not involved. Zimmerman did the right thing to protect himself. He did the samething that a cop would do. If you reach in your jacket they think youre gonna pull out a gun. Cops have little time to react when you put your hand inside your jacket. That's what theyre trained to do in the academy. But Hate crimes were involved in Richmond and Baltimore. And so far no hate crimes were charged in Baltimore.

 

[Iolo2]

Again your points are absurd and lacking in reality.

And your comments are most intolerant, bigoted, and foolish.

The world agrees with me however. You have overdone the racist murder yet again.

 

[Gipper]

The world agrees with me however. You have overdone the racist murder yet again.

If the world agrees with you, then the world is wrong.

Why do you persist in posting foolish uninformed posts? It is apparent you do not know what you are talking about. One is best served not making statements on issues they know nothing of.