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What's with this lie?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by HankHill, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. HankHill

    HankHill New Member

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    Hmm, Obama promised he'd veto any bills that had pork barrel spending in them, yet he's pushing to pass a "stimulus" bill that is laden with such spending.

    Buyer's remorse much?
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    you cry its got pork, but ..

    1 the bill is not passed yet so you dont even know what he congress and the senate will actuly send him yet....

    2. don't point out the pork...Obama already moved smartly to push out that family planing funds that where unrelated, not stimulus, and also hurt bipartisan support.

    on a side note, it was nice to see someone in the Obama admin make a call to Myrle lynch and tell them, umm no you cant buy a 50 million buck private jet when getting bail out money.
     
  3. HankHill

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    The bill will pass, with those spineless Republicans that will cave in.

    And the point is, the bill is laden with pork, and Obama lied about not passing anything with pork in it. Dont'cha know, this week Obama is Jewish...No pork...Then next week he'll be Christian or Muslim, or whatever he has to be to get what he wants...
     
  4. Dr.Who

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    The bill will almost certainly pass with a lot of pork in it. We should not wait to complain until after it passes - it will too late then. So while we may complain now about the bill we maybe will just wait until after it passes to call him a liar.

    I hope they don't cave. There is no reason for them to cave. The bill will pass without them and then when it goes sour they can claim that it was not their fault.
     
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    No... no buyers remorse here... especially since I see that 70% of the American people are in support of our new President!

    The fact is that "SPENDING" is what the stimulus is all about. And if you are going to have to spend then the winner of the election with the mandate should get a pretty big say about where that spending goes.

    Rachel Maddow had a great piece from a independent economic research firm that broke down how much different things multiply into the economy. It was very enlightening and even I was a little surprised by some of these facts.

    Food stamps... about 2 to 1 in the multiplier effect on the economy.

    Jobs programs... a little less than 2 to 1.

    Tax cuts... only turns every dollar cut into $1.03.

    Corporate tax cuts... actually loses almost 2/3 of each dollar cut.

    I tried to find the clip but it's not up yet. This was the interview right after she had put up the comparison charts... she eludes to the comparisons.


     
  6. HankHill

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    Well, Obama wouldn't be a liar if it passes and he veto's it.
     
  7. HankHill

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    OMG, completely bypassed the whole point. Obama promised and here comes the pork. You turn your head and cough.

    And honestly that 70% of Americans are blind sheep.
     
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    the point is always bypassed if its not in favor of the poster :)

    HOP rules ;)
    I agree with you though, he says something then he does something totally different.


    he does that a whole lot
     
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    It's no wonder 70% like Obama. It's those 70% that arent paying any taxes and are going to get some "free handouts"

    If we permanantly cut the corp tax rates not only would revenues to the government increase, we would be able to lure more business back to the united states. Right now we have the 2nd highest corp tax rate in the world. No wonder businesses are leaving.

    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17078

    Obama has never run a business so we know why he doesn't understand simple business philosophies.

    When corporations pay higher taxes, they raise prices to the consumer to compensate. They also cut their work force and even cut back on expansion plans. They will do whatever they need to remain a viable business.

    So when the corp tax rates go up it does less to punish (which we all know that's what dems are aiming to do) those corps. and more to punish the workers and customers of that corporation.
     
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    Irrelevant to the spending package.

    Understand that the Democrats claim it is a stimulus, not a spending bill.

    This is not sustainable, and it requires either A) massive deficits, which you claim to oppose or B) decrease in productivity and an increase in the welfare mentality.

    This is unsustainable when the created jobs are government jobs. It results in either A) massive deficit or B) massive layoffs shortly.

    Of course the follow up is why didn't the massive spending of FDR end the Great Depression if it is so good at job creation?

    This is private sector growth, which is sustainable. You also fail to point out what bracket this figure comes from and the time frame that it covers.

    Only in a short term analysis, which I assume is what she did. Corporate tax cuts also create private sector jobs, which are sustainable.
     
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    Direct stimulation.. that is let those people who pay taxes, keep more of their own money. It would also be the quickest way to get the stimulus to the people. The whole concept of robbing peter to pay paul is absurdh and the people who agree with it don't understand how much it will not stimulate the economy.

    It may, temporarily put some money into the hands of needy, but that will not sustain jobs or the economy. They will spend the money on bills or save it.. but really, will they do anything to really stimulate growth?


    Of course, the government thinks they know how to spend the money better. Let's not worry that it is not their money to spend. They did nothing to help earn it.

    If the govt would just get out of the way and leave business to business people, the economy would work itself out
     
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    Dr.Who Well-Known Member

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    Ha, that would be ironic. But I love it.
     
  13. Mr. Shaman

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    ...And, you still keep forgetting to list anything....but, the latest Porky Limbaugh squealing-rhetoric.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    That's what They say...., huh?

    :rolleyes:
     
  15. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Gee....how original.....in the '80s.

    :rolleyes:
     
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