Who won the debate?

[Pandora]

Obama insisted last night that Henry Kissinger agreed with him (by twisting Kissengers words) Mr. Kissinger came out about that... and here is what he said.

Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

http://www.bootsandsabers.com/index.php/weblog/permalink/kissinger_senator_mccain_is_right/

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

Before the debate CNN commented that 70% of people they polled thought Obama would win the debate. So if now only 50-60% of people think he did, does that mean he underperformed?

No, it means that 70% of the people they polled know less about foreign policy than Obama does.

 

[Sihouette]

I think McCain came across as a bitter and vindictive vietnam vet with blinders on and a myopic mission of "winning Iraq no matter what the cost".

And of course with Iran, China and Russia circling our dying economy like vultures we cannot afford that cost.

Which makes McCain dangerous for America. So naturally you all will vote him into office like you did his erratic and myopic self-absorbed twin Dubya.

We don't need any more cowboys. The world will not tolerate it. And what's more, we are placed in a position, by those very cowboys themselves, of not being able to dictate to the world what it can and cannot do with regards to us anymore.

Thanks GOP. And no thanks to McCain.

The polls reflect the American people shot Obama way over the top on the "win" of last night's debate. No one is playing dumb when it came to McCain's cowardly, transparent and erratic attempt to dodge the debate beforehand. The majority of Americans, apparently, are done listening to him on any area except Iraq and even those numbers are falling..

 

[Vyddo]

juan did not have the balls to look obama in the eye
juan kept saying "you don't understand"
yet obama seems to get it
obamma held his own

george will gave it to obama ???

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Neither Obama or Mccain were making eye contact with one another, in fact Lehrer first admonished Obama in trying to get the candidates to make eye contact.

Repetition wasn't a result of a loss for words, it's a way to make a point. Mccain went into far more detail and on matters of Foreign policy Mccain was head and shoulders above Obama.

Many people gave Obama a "win" on the economic side, I found BOTH failed to really address the topic in any meaningful way. Both lacked substance.

Overall, I'd give Mccain a small victory for the debate itself.. if that's a "win" for Obama, I can concede that. I think Mr. Obama was fortunate to have so much of the debate dwell on an insubstantial discussion on economy. While Obama didn't say anything of real substance, his phrasing would certainly be popular to the masses.

 

[Pandora]

I think McCain came across as a bitter and vindictive vietnam vet with blinders on and a myopic mission of "winning Iraq no matter what the cost".

And of course with Iran, China and Russia circling our dying economy like vultures we cannot afford that cost.

Which makes McCain dangerous for America. So naturally you all will vote him into office like you did his erratic and myopic self-absorbed twin Dubya.

We don't need any more cowboys. The world will not tolerate it. And what's more, we are placed in a position, by those very cowboys themselves, of not being able to dictate to the world what it can and cannot do with regards to us anymore.

Thanks GOP. And no thanks to McCain.

The polls reflect the American people shot Obama way over the top on the "win" of last night's debate. No one is playing dumb when it came to McCain's cowardly, transparent and erratic attempt to dodge the debate beforehand. The majority of Americans, apparently, are done listening to him on any area except Iraq and even those numbers are falling..

I disagree, but that is what is so great about America


McCain smiled a lot, though he does have a hard smile... I will give you that.
Obama looked fustrated, he was making some seriously weird expressions. Torking and twisting his face. I watched it on fox and they did the split screen, I dont know if they did that on other channels, but when McCain spoke Obama was not happy, making faces. Rolled his eyes a couple of times. I think he looked about as presidential as I would. NOT at all!

 

[top gun]

I was trying to be open minded judging the debate by at least saying McCain stayed in it, but he still lost... because I went in as an Obama supporter.

But all day the airwaves have been pointing to McCain's mean spirited unpresidential demeanor and something that's true but I didn't really catch it as much as it must have resonated.

After Senator Obama went down the list line by line of wrong decision after wrong decision McCain made backing Bush and promising an EASY VICTORY going into the invasion of Iraq.

McCain kept attempting to gain some credibility going back over and over about staying in Iraq and the surge working.

Almost everyone today is saying that was a huge mistake coming off this current economic crisis. Reminding people that you want to stay longer @ up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS per month when they're being told they have a $700 BILLION DOLLAR bailout coming at them was political suicide if you have any hope at getting any Independents.

Not my words... that's just seems to be the prevailing take... and after thinking about it I agree. McCain lost bigger than what I originally thought.

 

[Pandora]

I was trying to be open minded judging the debate by at least saying McCain stayed in it, but he still lost... because I went in as an Obama supporter.

But all day the airwaves have been pointing to McCain's mean spirited unpresidential demeanor and something that's true but I didn't really catch it as much as it must have resonated.

After Senator Obama went down the list line by line of wrong decision after wrong decision McCain made backing Bush and promising an EASY VICTORY going into the invasion of Iraq.

McCain kept attempting to gain some credibility going back over and over about staying in Iraq and the surge working.

Almost everyone today is saying that was a huge mistake coming off this current economic crisis. Reminding people that you want to stay longer @ up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS per month when they're being told they have a $700 BILLION DOLLAR bailout coming at them was political suicide if you have any hope at getting any Independents.

Not my words... that's just seems to be the prevailing take... and after thinking about it I agree. McCain lost bigger than what I originally thought.

for the second time in two threads

what did you think of Obama's answer to "what will you cut program wise in light of the new bail out?"

could you tell me Obama's brilliant answer on this one please because I did not hear it and I listened a number of times

 

[BigRob]

More ironic commentary on the debate.

Obama spent much of the debate simply agreeing with McCain. Even Chris Matthews was wondering why.

 

[BigRob]

I was trying to be open minded judging the debate by at least saying McCain stayed in it, but he still lost... because I went in as an Obama supporter.

But all day the airwaves have been pointing to McCain's mean spirited unpresidential demeanor and something that's true but I didn't really catch it as much as it must have resonated.

You did not catch it, but a talking head told you it was so, so therefore it must be true!

After Senator Obama went down the list line by line of wrong decision after wrong decision McCain made backing Bush and promising an EASY VICTORY going into the invasion of Iraq.

McCain kept attempting to gain some credibility going back over and over about staying in Iraq and the surge working.

As McCain correctly pointed out the next President is not going to have to deal with is Iraq was the correct call, the next President will have to deal with what to do about it.

Almost everyone today is saying that was a huge mistake coming off this current economic crisis. Reminding people that you want to stay longer @ up to $12 BILLION DOLLARS per month when they're being told they have a $700 BILLION DOLLAR bailout coming at them was political suicide if you have any hope at getting any Independents.

When asked what spending this would cause to be cut, Obama offered no specifics, and actually spoke of more spending. McCain offered actual examples. such as no ethanol subsidies, and fixed cost defense contracts.

Not my words... that's just seems to be the prevailing take... and after thinking about it I agree. McCain lost bigger than what I originally thought.

I am glad you had to wait until a talking head validated your opinion before you had confidence in it. Way to have self-confidence there.

 

[Pandora]

More ironic commentary on the debate.

Obama spent much of the debate simply agreeing with McCain. Even Chris Matthews was wondering why.

That was so funny, I am glad I got to see part one,

thank you Rob

 

[Sihouette]

McCain smiled a lot, though he does have a hard smile... I will give you that.~ No Obamanation

Actually, when McCain "smiles" it makes my flesh crawl. I've seen more authentic compassion coming from the rattlers we used to catch as kids in the desert.

This just in: Russians have one of their largest battleships cruising around the waters by Venezuela, along with an escort armada. That's just a short cruise to our strategic refineries and oil reserves folks. They're preparing to nukify Venezuela...you know...so they can have power plants.

Our official response? [paraphrased] "Oh, if the Russians want to cruise around with Venezuela, that's their business.."

That's coming from the GOP folks. I remember 30 years ago if that had happened, given the situation in Georgia, we would be on red alert. Now it barely gets a passing mention after the story about the cat stuck in a tree on the evening news.

Translation: we're in deep trouble and the GOP's ransacking of our military and our economy with their bed-buddies BigOil have been the worst terrorist attacks on America since it's very beginnings. They've left us sitting ducks with our shorts down and Russia knocking on the back door. There's a reason they don't want to spend time getting to the bottom of our wrecked economy....because it will be traced back to the GOP's alliance with BigOil and their illegal war in Iraq.

And McCain is one of THEM. Following the line of breadcrumbs, if you vote for McCain, you are a traitor and not even remotely close to what the original meaning of patriot is.

 

[Pandora]

if you vote for McCain, you are a traitor and not even remotely close to what the original meaning of patriot is.

and the alternative is?

 

[Mr. Carpenter]

and the alternative is?

Don't fall for that No Obamanation, it's nothing but typical liberal junk. Don't allow them to distract you, that's what they do when they know that they're cornered like a rat and have no room to move, so they play their little misdirection game in the hopes that you'll look away long enough for them to get away. Stay the course, keep 'em cornered, and kick 'em to death!

 

[Pandora]

Don't fall for that No Obamanation, it's nothing but typical liberal junk. Don't allow them to distract you, that's what they do when they know that they're cornered like a rat and have no room to move, so they play their little misdirection game in the hopes that you'll look away long enough for them to get away. Stay the course, keep 'em cornered, and kick 'em to death!

Well the thing is this. Silouette is in the top two for railing against Obama since as long as I have been reading her post, now I am trying to find out if she is endorsing him after all the things she said about him.

 

[top gun]

for the second time in two threads

what did you think of Obama's answer to "what will you cut program wise in light of the new bail out?"

could you tell me Obama's brilliant answer on this one please because I did not hear it and I listened a number of times

Neither candidate would go out on a limb and get way specific on cuts. Both said cut waste (standard political line... exactly what Bush said). That's actually understandable because at the time of the debate no one new exactly the make up of the bailout.

Senator Obama brought up bringing the occupation in Iraq to a responsible end and stop wasting $10+ BILLION DOLLARS per month there while they themselves have a $79 BILLION DOLLAR surplus.

Senator Obama also explained cutting out corporate tax loopholes that reward companies for moving jobs over seas... and cutting subsidies (Corporate Welfare) to Big Oil already making record profits. And he said he go over all budget items looking to make cuts of programs that either weren't working or could work better in some other form.

He actually talked about this for quite a while I'm surprised you missed it.