Why should I vote for McCain?

[GenSeneca]

Everyone with something against America agrees that Obama should be our next president.

Thats reason enough for me to vote McCain....

 

[BigRob]

As a Canadian observer I find it very sad that Fox News keeps saying that Obama is the most liberal senator in the country and it seems to scare people. Or at least they think it scares people away from Obama. Being the most liberal senator amongst American senators would make him attractive IMO as America needs to move quickly to the left in order to even survive a very real threat of economic collapse.

So in your opinion we need to become just like Canada to prevent economic collapse? A bold claim with no evidence.

As for a choice between McCain and Obama, at the moment I don't see much difference but that could be due to Obama knowing what his country needs but needing to lie to appease the majority of the people who are just not ready to hear the truth yet.

Obama does not know what this country needs. This country does not need socialized medicine, higher taxes, continued energy dependence, a continuation of bad foreign policy, or bigger government, which is what Obama brings to the table.

The only reason I could imagine that people should vote for McCain is because he is not a black man.

Right, I suppose it could not be because they dislike his viewpoints.

From my POV and the POV of many outside the US, that is the only possible reason why an American would choose a old fool such as McCain over a very bright and progressive candidate such as Obama. Obama would obviously be the clear choice of non-Americans and is according to world polls. When we outsiders look at the two choices it is painfully obvious that Obama is the right choice.

Obama is a smart man, but his policies are socialist in nature, which is not the direction needs to head. However, you in Canada, and socialist Europe, will obviously favor him because you are already living in socialism.

However from an outsider's POV, do we or should we really care? Would it not be better to see America ground down to rock bottom before it recovers it's senses? Even though this is harmful to most other world economies would it not be better to end the US tyranny in the next four years with McCain and get the pain over with? I am of the opinion that even if Obama is being forced to lie about his intentions he still will not be capable of changing the American people enough to stop their evil course of action.

How is Obama being forced to lie about his intentions? And what does this say about the man's character. He cares more about getting elected than bothering to tell the truth about himself? And what exactly is our "evil" course of action? Your bias is so blatant it is almost not worth even pointing out.

 

[PLC1]

Everyone with something against America agrees that Obama should be our next president.

Thats reason enough for me to vote McCain....

Is that anyone with something against America, or anyone with something against the federal government? I think the first group is pretty small, but the second comprises around 80% of the US public.

 

[UShadItComing]

Everyone with something against America agrees that Obama should be our next president.

Thats reason enough for me to vote McCain....

If I were an american I would definitely be for Obama but I'm not an american. I really don't care because I think it's too soon for the American people to come to their senses. Let me explain:

Obama will not end the Iraq war because that's a situation where the US can't afford to leave without bringing that war to fruition. Fruition simply means that the US will establish control over Iraqi oil resources. This must be done at all costs because if it isn't then high oil prices are going to destroy the US economy. Therefore Obama may talk a popular message but he needs to do that in order to get himself elected. And of course McCain has decided to go with the other side of the equation and hope that the American people will begin to realize that winning the war is necessary.

The world favours Obama by far because the world opposes the US war in Iraq. There is little doubt that war is evil and unjustified of course. But now, as Robert Baer has said, Iraq will naturally fall into the Iranian sphere of influence eventually and there is little the US can do about it. The Iraq war is lost and that will be Bush's legacy no matter what happens. It's simply a choice now of Iran becoming a ME power, and according to Baer eventually a superpower, or the US staying in Iraq with a large troop force until it finally gives up and faces defeat. Except that the US won't accept defeat until Iraq's oil is no longer of such large importance.

This is the reason why the US is very rapidly coming to it's senses now and beginning to realize that alternative sources of energy are so very important. In the interim the US will continue to develop Canada's tarsands oil extraction in hopes of continuing to keep up to the demand, at least in the short term until demand begins to decline. Will demand decline fast enough? Who knows? But it looks like the US has dragged it's feet too long now and can't avoid the crunch. Indeed, the price of petroleum products has already begun to destroy the US economy.

And that is why it doesn't reallly matter whether Obama or McCain becomes the next pres.

 

[GenSeneca]

Is that anyone with something against America, or anyone with something against the federal government? I think the first group is pretty small, but the second comprises around 80% of the US public.

Everyone who would like to see the decline of the United States. People who think were too powerful, too rich, too greedy etc, etc.

Rob, you hit the nail on the head with your response to UShadit... Too bad he was afraid to respond to your post, I would have liked to hear him eat some words.

 

[UShadItComing]

So in your opinion we need to become just like Canada to prevent economic collapse? A bold claim with no evidence.

I prefer to take this topic in a different direction right now but I'll briefly explain. The US style of capitalism is not working and can't work in a modern world. The US basically needs to adopt a system where greed doesn't rule and the wealth which it has, although rapidly declining, is shared amongst it's population. To bring this into perspective as oil consumption goes, the US greed to consume cannot be maintained at present levels. Therefore a system more similar to Canada's and especially similar to Scandinavian countries will have to be adopted by the US. It's questionable whether or not it can be done fast enough now. For a very good explanation of what is needed read Will Hutton's, A Declaration of Interdependence. The title should tell you what it's about but it addresses very specifically what I am saying here.

Obama does not know what this country needs. This country does not need socialized medicine, higher taxes, continued energy dependence, a continuation of bad foreign policy, or bigger government, which is what Obama brings to the table.

Parroting the standard line as you are doing is not looking into the problems deep enough. But in a nutshell you are just plain wrong. I'll deal with only the healthcare crisis: Whether it's socialize medicine or some other solution, it's very obvious that a solution is needed. If it's approaching 50 million now who are not being looked after then it's going to be approaching 60 or 70 million in another 4 years if the new president doesn't deal with the problem. It would serve you well to deal with the problem. And briefly on energy dependence, as we speak you have not made the preparations to give yourselves another choice.

Right, I suppose it could not be because they dislike his viewpoints.

Obama is a smart man, but his policies are socialist in nature, which is not the direction needs to head. However, you in Canada, and socialist Europe, will obviously favor him because you are already living in socialism.

I really could care less about Obama being elected because I know that the only plus for the world is ending the Iraq war and I know he can't do that. You need to understand that moving to the left would not make your country socialist but it would lift you out of a system which is a form of capitalism which is too extreme to continue to work in a modern world. In any case I'm interested in what you see as the solutions to the problems overtaking your country.

How is Obama being forced to lie about his intentions? And what does this say about the man's character. He cares more about getting elected than bothering to tell the truth about himself? And what exactly is our "evil" course of action? Your bias is so blatant it is almost not worth even pointing out.

Obama is using an antiwar stance now because that is popular with the people. Being a very smart man he obviously realizes that he can't pull US troops out of Iraq. Think about that please and you will begin to understand that that is impossible. Therefore he needs to hope that the American people don't look into the matter and start to understand the situation more clearly. If they do, which I believe they are incapable of doing, they would discover that Obama's message is nothing but electioneering. Perhaps you can agree?

I hope that my honesty is making it clear to you that I have nothing at stake in this election campaign. Although as I have already said, if I were living in the US I would prefer Obama because he is a sort of a change, I would support him. Being Canadian realize it's not going to make much difference. Indeed, in the past the Democrats have been less amenable to Canadian interests.

 

[UShadItComing]

Everyone who would like to see the decline of the United States. People who think were too powerful, too rich, too greedy etc, etc.

Rob, you hit the nail on the head with your response to UShadit... Too bad he was afraid to respond to your post, I would have liked to hear him eat some words.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say I'm afraid to respond to Rob's post but I assure you I am not going to run from this debate. Indeed I am here to encourage debate on this very subject in the interest of finding some common ground with you Americans.

 

[PLC1]

Everyone who would like to see the decline of the United States. People who think were too powerful, too rich, too greedy etc, etc.

That would include a lot of people in the Mid East, as well as in other nations that view the US as having too much power over their lives. I don't think there are very many here in the US.
There are a lot of people who are dissatisfied with the federal bureaucracy, and want to see changes made. That doesn't mean that they want to see the decline of their own country, however.

Those foreigners who would like to see the decline of the US aren't voting in the coming election, BTW.

 

[not2needy]

I would never vote for McCain. That man didn't even care enough about his wife and children to stand by them after she waited faithfully for him for over 5 years, and if he didn't care anymore for his own flesh and blood than that, how can i expect him to give a crap about me or this country for that matter?? H. Ross Perot financed McCains family while John was a POW, and he speaks out against McCain every chance he gets.

Obama may be a failure as president, but i know McCain would be a failure simply because he has vowed to keep us on the same course we are on now. Doing that would definitely make a third world country look good at the end of 4 more years of what we have now.

Just my opinion, but every one is entitled to theirs.

 

[UShadItComing]

I would never vote for McCain. That man didn't even care enough about his wife and children to stand by them after she waited faithfully for him for over 5 years, and if he didn't care anymore for his own flesh and blood than that, how can i expect him to give a crap about me or this country for that matter?? H. Ross Perot financed McCains family while John was a POW, and he speaks out against McCain every chance he gets.

Obama may be a failure as president, but i know McCain would be a failure simply because he has vowed to keep us on the same course we are on now. Doing that would definitely make a third world country look good at the end of 4 more years of what we have now.

Just my opinion, but every one is entitled to theirs.

Americans are much too concerned with blow jobs in the oval office and whether or not a presidential hopeful cares about his wives and kids. In case you haven't noticed there are other more important issues facing your country now. Assuming you're American.

 

[not2needy]

Americans are much too concerned with blow jobs in the oval office and whether or not a presidential hopeful cares about his wives and kids. In case you haven't noticed there are other more important issues facing your country now. Assuming you're American.

Americans need to get over the historic B/J, and get on with the business of trying to keep this country from going down the tubes.
There are important issues in this country right now, but the way a man treats his family is very indicative as to how he will treat the people in this country. If he can't even care about his flesh and blood, how can i expect him to care about me? McCain cares nothing about anyone but himself, and in his mind, the presidency is his entitlement. I guess it's a good thing that every POW doesn't have that mind set. Being raised to think he was God's Gift to the world probably has something to do with that though.
Conservatives will defend a repubs right to flush the country and curse a Liberal for trying to save it, and when one of their own is caught with their pants down, the first thing they say is.."they asked for forgiveness"! Then there is the attitude that they have cornered the market on religion and Christianity.
They make me sick!

 

[UShadItComing]

Americans need to get over the historic B/J, and get on with the business of trying to keep this country from going down the tubes.
Conservatives will defend a repubs right to flush the country and curse a Liberal for trying to save it, and when one of their own is caught with their pants down, the first thing they say is.."they asked for forgiveness"! Then there is the attitude that they have the market cornered on religion and Christianity.
They make me sick!

If I could give you just one important message it would be to just forget all the bull**** about the US having the greatest system in the world and begin to realize that long ago it ceased to be that. Concentrate on what new changes are necessary to bring it back to it's former prosperity and greatness. Providing you are even interested in hearing what I have to say.

 

[not2needy]

If I could give you just one important message it would be to just forget all the bull**** about the US having the greatest system in the world and begin to realize that long ago it ceased to be that. Concentrate on what new changes are necessary to bring it back to it's former prosperity and greatness. Providing you are even interested in hearing what I have to say.

I completely agree that we need a change, if i didn't i would be singing the praises of John McCain!

 

[BigRob]

I prefer to take this topic in a different direction right now but I'll briefly explain. The US style of capitalism is not working and can't work in a modern world.

Why not, is has worked and continues to work. As you know, economics goes in cycles, the dollar has fallen some against the price of oil, but that hardly means that the US economy is weak. We have seen continued growth. It has slowed as of late, but it has gone in cycles like this for years, we are in no danger.

The US basically needs to adopt a system where greed doesn't rule and the wealth which it has, although rapidly declining, is shared amongst it's population. To bring this into perspective as oil consumption goes, the US greed to consume cannot be maintained at present levels. Therefore a system more similar to Canada's and especially similar to Scandinavian countries will have to be adopted by the US. It's questionable whether or not it can be done fast enough now. For a very good explanation of what is needed read Will Hutton's, A Declaration of Interdependence. The title should tell you what it's about but it addresses very specifically what I am saying here.

I think money should be earned. People want it and should go out and work for it. They should not expect a welfare state to come in and take care of them. It breeds inefficiency. You further assume in your comments about oil that the US lacks any ability to switch over to alternative fuels or to develop new technology that will lessen the demand for oil. The oil consumption rates can be maintained, as we will find new technology to ensure it as we always have. As for your book, I have not read it, but would argue that we already quite interdependent with our current system as is.

Parroting the standard line as you are doing is not looking into the problems deep enough. But in a nutshell you are just plain wrong. I'll deal with only the healthcare crisis: Whether it's socialize medicine or some other solution, it's very obvious that a solution is needed. If it's approaching 50 million now who are not being looked after then it's going to be approaching 60 or 70 million in another 4 years if the new president doesn't deal with the problem. It would serve you well to deal with the problem. And briefly on energy dependence, as we speak you have not made the preparations to give yourselves another choice.

There is no healthcare crisis in America. The numbers that are thrown out there are in the 30 millions, but it is ignored that many of these people are young and choose on their own not to have healthcare. Further, illegal immigrants are typically added into these figures to inflate the number and dramatize the problem. I for one do not wish to be taxed at a higher rate because someone who is here illegally to begin with wants to see a doctor.

Further, healthcare is already free to those who cannot afford it. Medicare and SCHIP already cover the children and elderly who cannot afford medicine. Also, Federal law mandates that at a public hospital an ER cannot turn away any patient for any reason, including lack of ability to pay. So while perhaps you may feel inconvenienced that you had to go to a public ER to see a doctor for free, it was still free.

As for energy independence, no we have not made preparations to make ourselves energy independent, and this is a problem, which people like Mr. Obama will make worse by taxing oil companies to death, hurting R&D. He says we cannot drill our way of the problem, which is true, but we can drill our way into more time, and in the process create more jobs for Americans and more wealth at home.

I really could care less about Obama being elected because I know that the only plus for the world is ending the Iraq war and I know he can't do that. You need to understand that moving to the left would not make your country socialist but it would lift you out of a system which is a form of capitalism which is too extreme to continue to work in a modern world. In any case I'm interested in what you see as the solutions to the problems overtaking your country.

I agree that Obama cannot end the war, I fear however that he will anyway. The only reason Obama can even speak of a pullout to begin with was because McCain fought for the surge (which Obama opposed).

As for the "problems" overtaking our country. I assume you mean the war, energy, healthcare etc. I have already discussed healthcare, so here is my thought on the war.

You cannot set timetables or any guidelines such as that. You must maintain stability in Iraq and give the government there a chance to work. We must continue to train ISF forces because the local populations look more legitimately on operations when they take the lead, as they have been increasingly doing. A phase out will come, but to just assign a time 16 months from now is naive and irresponsible.

Obama is using an antiwar stance now because that is popular with the people. Being a very smart man he obviously realizes that he can't pull US troops out of Iraq. Think about that please and you will begin to understand that that is impossible. Therefore he needs to hope that the American people don't look into the matter and start to understand the situation more clearly. If they do, which I believe they are incapable of doing, they would discover that Obama's message is nothing but electioneering. Perhaps you can agree?

I agree completely. But that speaks to the character of Obama more than anything. I understand the situation in Iraq quite well, as you say you owned a business I have a BA and MA in foreign relations fields.

This goes to show me that Obama is a man of no character and will say anything that it takes to get elected, and then do whatever he wants, most of which I disagree with to begin with.

I hope that my honesty is making it clear to you that I have nothing at stake in this election campaign. Although as I have already said, if I were living in the US I would prefer Obama because he is a sort of a change, I would support him. Being Canadian realize it's not going to make much difference. Indeed, in the past the Democrats have been less amenable to Canadian interests.

Obama is a change indeed, but after saying you openly think the man is outright lying to the American public, how do you turn around and think he means a word of his "change" message. Obama is no change, he is more of the same, with worse policies.

 

[GenSeneca]

That would include a lot of people in the Mid East, as well as in other nations that view the US as having too much power over their lives. I don't think there are very many here in the US.
There are a lot of people who are dissatisfied with the federal bureaucracy, and want to see changes made. That doesn't mean that they want to see the decline of their own country, however.

Those foreigners who would like to see the decline of the US aren't voting in the coming election, BTW.

I disagree, the people I'm talking about don't believe in American Exceptionalism. To them, We have NO right to think we're any better than any other nation. We should stop being the worlds policeman and meddling in the affairs of other nations. Does this not sound like what the Left in America has been saying?

Domestically, I agree that many are unhappy and want changes made in policy and procedure and these people could very well love American and wish only our decline to take place on the international stage. How many times have you heard someone on the left talking about ALL the WONDERFUL Socialist programs we could fund with the money we are spending on war?

While they may not see subjugation of American Capitalism to the Evils of Socialism as decline, I do... thats why I say they seek the decline of America on all fronts.