Will Louisiana and Others Secede From The USA?

[Dr.Who]

I doubt they will try either but I do hope the Congress addresses the many constitutional crisis matters we have.

Silly petitions to secede are not the issue.

As you say, what we really need to be concerned about are constitutional crises. For example the Fed is not authorized to be giving any money at all to individuals in the form of welfare, yet anyone with a brain (that seems to exclude lawyers and politicians who see nothing wrong with this) knows that Federal expenditures to individuals are one of the largest parts of the federal budget and they are unsustainable, and they are breaking the country.

By no means would this mean people would be starving in the street. The US has the most generous population in the world and once the fed stopped taking money from people they would have all of that money to use for charitable works on top of what they are doing now.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I wonder if I should report you to a REAL moderator for that insult.

Are you calling me a slut?

Maybe it is time for YOU to be banned for a few days.

He never called you a slut.
You mentioned that word.
A left-wing faux pas.
He was alluding to your support of NAMBLA and wanton sex amongst all citizens
--with cents-off coupons for abortions.

"Remember--You mess with the dog--You mess with me!"

 

[Openmind]

He never called you a slut.
You mentioned that word.
A left-wing faux pas.
He was alluding to your support of NAMBLA and wanton sex amongst all citizens
--with cents-off coupons for abortions.

"Remember--You mess with the dog--You mess with me!"

Dear. . .I didn't want to insult you by calling you a son of a dog!!!

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Dear. . .I didn't want to insult you by calling you a son of a dog!!!

Of course--you know all too well--it is not even remotely within your power to insult me.
That would require my having the tiniest conceivable interest in what others think of me.
Which--I do not.

 

[Gipper]

We ought to be clear -- 20 "states" have not started such petitions -- individual people within these states have made these petitions, and it is nothing more than an effort to score cheap political points.

Well well...we can always count on the Neocons to discredit the desire for freedom and individual liberty. People voicing their opinion....using their free speech rights against a tyrannical omnipresent out of control HUGE corrupt government...and what does the Neocon call it? An effort to score cheap political points. They did much the same to discredit the Tea Party.

If this were the Revolutionary War, we know what side the Neocons would be on. They are the modern day equivalent of the Tories.

Ron Paul on secession...

 

[BigRob]

Well well...we can always count on the Neocons to discredit the desire for freedom and individual liberty. People voicing their opinion....using their free speech rights against a tyrannical omnipresent out of control HUGE corrupt government...and what does the Neocon call it? An effort to score cheap political points. They did much the same to discredit the Tea Party.

If this were the Revolutionary War, we know what side the Neocons would be on. They are the modern day equivalent of the Tories.

Ron Paul on secession...

I call it what it is -- drudging up a dead issue because we lost the election and are bitter about it.

From Heritage:
The United States is a government established under a Constitution ratified by the people of the United States acting through state ratifying conventions. That is, the United States is not a league of sovereign-states but a union of states under a national government. As such, individual states have no constitutional right to leave the union at will.

If you believe in the Constitution, you don't believe the right of secession -- you might believe in the right of rebellion, but that is not the issue at hand. So yes, the side I would fall on is the side of the law and the Constitution.

 

[Cruella]

It's a symptom of the frustration and polarization of the people. I don't see it getting better either, there will come a breaking point. Apparently there is a segement of our society that is refusing to follow the pied piper.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

It's a symptom of the frustration and polarization of the people. I don't see it getting better either, there will come a breaking point. Apparently there is a segement of our society that is refusing to follow the pied piper.

Depression--and it's coming--will be the breaking point.
It always is.
Financial ruin and desperation are strident wake-up calls.
It will be going on around the world as well.
Look at Europe--this very day.

 

[Gipper]

I call it what it is -- drudging up a dead issue because we lost the election and are bitter about it.

From Heritage:
The United States is a government established under a Constitution ratified by the people of the United States acting through state ratifying conventions. That is, the United States is not a league of sovereign-states but a union of states under a national government. As such, individual states have no constitutional right to leave the union at will.

If you believe in the Constitution, you don't believe the right of secession -- you might believe in the right of rebellion, but that is not the issue at hand. So yes, the side I would fall on is the side of the law and the Constitution.

That is total *********. The people are petitioning their government. They are upset at what the government is doing and will do with four more years of BO. And now you say it is bitterness at losing the election. What a load of crap.

And your quote from Heritage is ********* too. You claim to know the Constitution, but this is proof you do not. The States always had the right to secede until the first Neocon (Dishonest Abe) changed all that with the sword.

 

[BigRob]

That is total *********. The people are petitioning their government. They are upset at what the government is doing and will do with four more years of BO. And now you say it is bitterness at losing the election. What a load of crap.

People are free to petition their government. I have no problem with them sending these petitions around and getting signatures. They are petitioning for something they have no constitutional right to do, so it is all kind of stupid in my opinion.

And yes, it is bitterness...I suppose it just happens that right after the election results are in, these are created?

And your quote from Heritage is ********* too. You claim to know the Constitution, but this is proof you do not. The States always had the right to secede until the first Neocon (Dishonest Abe) changed all that with the sword.

Lincoln went to war to uphold the principles in the Consitution that we are one union, codified under a national government by the constitution. States have no legal right to secede. Secession is an illegal act of rebellion -- nothing more.

 

[Openmind]

That is total *********. The people are petitioning their government. They are upset at what the government is doing and will do with four more years of BO. And now you say it is bitterness at losing the election. What a load of crap.

And your quote from Heritage is ********* too. You claim to know the Constitution, but this is proof you do not. The States always had the right to secede until the first Neocon (Dishonest Abe) changed all that with the sword.

When you say "the people," you do realize that you are talking about a maximum of 2 to 3% of the people, right?

And, obviously they have the right to petition their government, and then the 97 % of reqsonable people can tell them to go sober up and stop acting like they are talking for "the people!"

 

[Openmind]

Of course--you know all too well--it is not even remotely within your power to insult me.
That would require my having the tiniest conceivable interest in what others think of me.
Which--I do not.

That is one point on which we can agree!

 

[Johnny Tremain]

That is one point on which we can agree!

"Just remember, once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed."
--Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[Gipper]

People are free to petition their government. I have no problem with them sending these petitions around and getting signatures. They are petitioning for something they have no constitutional right to do, so it is all kind of stupid in my opinion.

And yes, it is bitterness...I suppose it just happens that right after the election results are in, these are created?



Lincoln went to war to uphold the principles in the Consitution that we are one union, codified under a national government by the constitution. States have no legal right to secede. Secession is an illegal act of rebellion -- nothing more.

We can count on the Neocons to side against liberty, the Constitution, and for big government....just like the libs.

You need to look at this movement as individual Americans disgruntled with big statist government...but since you are a Neocon and you love big statist government, you will not. Rather you and your like minded friends will side with the Left and with big government...and denigrate liberty loving Americans.

If the R party will not purge the Neocons, the Rs need to dissolve. It is the Neocons who gave us the shit we are in now. Thanks to the failures of the Bush's that resulted in the socialist Obama, the Neocons have destroyed the conservative brand.

 

[Gipper]

When you say "the people," you do realize that you are talking about a maximum of 2 to 3% of the people, right?

And, obviously they have the right to petition their government, and then the 97 % of reqsonable people can tell them to go sober up and stop acting like they are talking for "the people!"

Wrong AGAIN.... Rasmussen did a poll in 2009 and found that 11% want to secede. It likely is a lot higher now thanks to the actions of your party and your Messiah. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...il_2009/just_11_favor_seceding_from_the_union

You have shown yourself to be consistently wrong on most issues. Does this ever phase you?