2 debates ago, Republicans cheered for Perrys recored Death penalty exicutions.

I totally agree with the last sentence. There is absolutely no comparison with a murderer being found guilty by a jury and sentenced to death with murdering an innocent human being before they are given a chance to live their life.

A life is a life. Right?


No. "A life" is not "a life."

A dog is "a life," a pig is "a life," in fact, a turnip is "a life."

There is a huge difference between those "living things" and a human life.

A early term foetus has the POTENTIAL of becoming a human life (so does every spermatozoid you your gonads!), but it has not yet developped into a human being.

At that early stage of development (in the first trimester), the DESIRE of his/her parents to carry that potential for life to full term gives that cluster of cells its status of "human life," but nothing else.
 
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No, it has nothing to do with "scoring political points!"

It has to do (in my case at least) with my profound belief that, as human being, with all the shortcomings that this entails, we have no right to kill a man based on "our belief" that he may be guilty of a crime.

That "a life for a life" actually sounds more like the "Sharia law" that everyone hates so much.

"Our belief" is at the core all we have, and the belief of the Jury is the cornerstone of our entire legal system. They found him guilty.

I believe in murderers being punished for their crimes, IF they have been proven guilty BEYOND THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, which is not the case here.

Again, no court agrees with that assessment.

We are not infallible. Our court system is not infallible. Too many people have been put to death and later shown to have been innocent. Too many people have been thrown on death row for YEARS, then released because they were innocent . . .at least, they were able to be release because we did NOT act on our "belief" that they were guilty and deserved death!

I agree, we are not infalliable...which is why we have an exhaustive appeals process...which has upheld the conviction at every turn...certainly you might argue that appeals courts do give deferrence to lower courts rulings, or that the process is somewhat different, but as I understand, an entirely new evidenciary hearing was held, and the evidence again confirmed he was guilty.

By the way, for some people, death is much less of a punishment than life without parole in jail. So. . .what is it that we are trying to accomplish with the "put them to death" exactly?

For some people sending them home to their parents is probably worse than a lifetime in jail...I don't see your point. You have to some guidelines in how you sentence people.
 
No. "A life" is not "a life."

A dog is "a life," a pig is "a life," in fact, a turnip is "a life."

There is a huge difference between those "living things" and a human life.

A early term foetus has the POTENTIAL of becoming a human life (so does every spermatozoid you your gonads!), but it has not yet developped into a human being.

At that early stage of development (in the first trimester), the DESIRE of his/her parents to carry that potential for life to full term gives that cluster of cells its status of "human life," but nothing else.

Here comes the old tired "potential" argument.

When does human life begin?
 
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so would you as Gov...Execute this man.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/news-item/usa-clock-ticks-on-troy-davis-execution

And after reading this, do you think it shows how our Judicial system in fact does not protect against wrongly convicted being killed.

Note, this is not the case in Texas where the Jury was basicly told Black men are more dangerous then a white Criminal would be ...that case already got put on hold.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46347

Mumia's The Word

by Ann Coulter
09/21/2011

For decades, liberals tried persuading Americans to abolish the death penalty, using their usual argument: hysterical sobbing.

Only when the media began lying about innocent people being executed did support for the death penalty begin to waver, falling from 80 percent to about 60 percent in a little more than a decade. (Silver lining: That's still more Americans than believe in man-made global warming.)

Fifty-nine percent of Americans now believe that an innocent man has been executed in the last five years. There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years.

But unless members of the public are going to personally review trial transcripts in every death penalty case, they have no way of knowing the truth. The media certainly won't tell them.

It's nearly impossible to receive a death sentence these days -- unless you do something completely crazy like shoot a cop in full view of dozens of witnesses in a Burger King parking lot, only a few hours after shooting at a passing car while exiting a party.

That's what Troy Davis​ did in August 1989. Davis is the media's current baby seal of death row.

After a two-week trial with 34 witnesses for the state and six witnesses for the defense, the jury of seven blacks and five whites took less than two hours to convict Davis of Officer Mark MacPhail's murder, as well as various other crimes. Two days later, the jury sentenced Davis to death.

Now, a brisk 22 years after Davis murdered Officer MacPhail, his sentence will finally be administered this week -- barring any more of the legal shenanigans that have kept taxpayers on the hook for Davis' room and board for the past two decades.

(The average time on death row is 14 years. Then liberals turn around and triumphantly claim the death penalty doesn't have any noticeable deterrent effect. As the kids say: Duh.)

It has been claimed -- in The New York Times and Time magazine, for example -- that there was no "physical evidence" connecting Davis to the crimes that night.

Davis pulled out a gun and shot two strangers in public. What "physical evidence" were they expecting? No houses were broken into, no cars stolen, no rapes or fistfights accompanied the shootings. Where exactly would you look for DNA? And to prove what?

I suppose it would be nice if the shell casings from both shootings that night matched. Oh wait -- they did. That's "physical evidence."

It's true that the bulk of the evidence against Davis was eyewitness testimony. That tends to happen when you shoot someone in a busy Burger King parking lot.

Eyewitness testimony, like all evidence tending to show guilt, has gotten a bad name recently, but the "eyewitness" testimony in this case did not consist simply of strangers trying to distinguish one tall black man from another. For one thing, several of the eyewitnesses knew Davis personally.

The bulk of the eyewitness testimony established the following:

Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.

Some eyewitnesses described the shooter as wearing a white shirt, some said it was a white shirt with writing, and some identified it specifically as a white Batman shirt. Not one witness said the man in the yellow shirt pistol-whipped the vagrant or shot the cop.

Several of Davis' friends testified -- without recantation -- that he was the one in a white shirt. Several eyewitnesses, both acquaintances and strangers, specifically identified Davis as the one who shot Officer MacPhail.

Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.

First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis -- not nine -- which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.

Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on cross-examination, "You don't forget someone that stands over and shoots someone."

Recanted testimony is the least believable evidence since it proves only that defense lawyers managed to pressure some witnesses to alter their testimony, conveniently after the trial has ended. Even criminal lobbyist Justice William Brennan ridiculed post-trial recantations.

Three recantations were from friends of Davis, making minor or completely unbelievable modifications to their trial testimony. For example, one said he was no longer sure he saw Davis shoot the cop, even though he was five feet away at the time. His remaining testimony still implicated Davis.

One alleged recantation, from the vagrant's girlfriend (since deceased), wasn't a recantation at all, but rather reiterated all relevant parts of her trial testimony, which included a direct identification of Davis as the shooter.

Only two of the seven alleged "recantations" (out of 34 witnesses) actually recanted anything of value -- and those two affidavits were discounted by the court because Davis refused to allow the affiants to testify at the post-trial evidentiary hearing, even though one was seated right outside the courtroom, waiting to appear.

The court specifically warned Davis that his refusal to call his only two genuinely recanting witnesses would make their affidavits worthless. But Davis still refused to call them -- suggesting, as the court said, that their lawyer-drafted affidavits would not have held up under cross-examination.

With death penalty opponents so fixated on Davis' race -- he's black -- it ought to be noted that all the above witnesses are themselves African-American. The first man Davis shot in the car that night was African-American.

I notice that the people so anxious to return this sociopathic cop-killer to the street don't live in his neighborhood.

There's a reason more than a dozen courts have looked at Davis' case and refused to overturn his death sentence. He is as innocent as every other executed man since at least 1950, which is to say, guilty as hell.
 
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